John Denver and Bubba

tejas · Post by **tejas** » September 18, 2004 1:13 pm

were jimmy and john denver friends? i know everybody in the "biz" knows everyone else but i was curious. i know they both lived in aspen, both great songwriters, both were somewhat folky, both were pilots... . i remember back in the 70's, for a couple of years, there wasn't a bigger star, musically, tv, or screen than john denver. i would love to hear jimmy sing rocky mountain high, i think it'd be a good fit.

DeactiveCarib · Post by **DeactiveCarib** » September 18, 2004 11:27 pm

tejas wrote:were jimmy and john denver friends? i know everybody in the "biz" knows everyone else but i was curious. i know they both lived in aspen, both great songwriters, both were somewhat folky, both were pilots... . i remember back in the 70's, for a couple of years, there wasn't a bigger star, musically, tv, or screen than john denver. i would love to hear jimmy sing rocky mountain high, i think it'd be a good fit.

Im totally with you tejas, i'm a huge John Denver fan . . .i love all of his stuff, and it really surprised me that they never wrote or recorded anything together . . . they had similar styles and passions, e.g., flying, nature, etc. Also, John Denver did have steel drums on one of his albums which was pretty cool. But if Bubba covered a denver song that would be awesome . . .. i'm also a huge George Strait fan so having him do "sea of heartbreak" was pretty cool for me, but i'd be much happier seing JB do a JD song

IsleReef · Post by **IsleReef** » September 19, 2004 5:15 am

tejas wrote:were jimmy and john denver friends? i know everybody in the "biz" knows everyone else but i was curious. i know they both lived in aspen, both great songwriters, both were somewhat folky, both were pilots... . i remember back in the 70's, for a couple of years, there wasn't a bigger star, musically, tv, or screen than john denver. i would love to hear jimmy sing rocky mountain high, i think it'd be a good fit.

Nice call............ Jimmy would sound great doing some Denver tunes....

Touch O Parrotdise · September 19, 2004 7:03 am

how about Calypso, with Nadirah singing the high notes

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » September 19, 2004 1:00 pm

A lot of parallels may be drawn between Buffett and Denver but with all due respect to his fans, he always came across as a bit too wholesome and phony. That's not to say I don't think he ever did any good songs because I think he did, I just never considered myself a fan and have never thought of him and Buffett ever working together. I did admire him for standing up to the PRMC regarding putting warning labels on albums. If memory serves it seems like Buffett may have covered "Leaving On A Jet Plane" shortly after Denver's death.

DeactiveCarib · Post by **DeactiveCarib** » September 19, 2004 1:34 pm

Jahfin wrote:A lot of parallels may be drawn between Buffett and Denver but with all due respect to his fans, he always came across as a bit too wholesome and phony. That's not to say I don't think he ever did any good songs because I think he did, I just never considered myself a fan and have never thought of him and Buffett ever working together. I did admire him for standing up to the PRMC regarding putting warning labels on albums. If memory serves it seems like Buffett may have covered "Leaving On A Jet Plane" shortly after Denver's death.

why would you say denver is phony?? he ain't phony at all . . .all of his songs have profound meaning and i think he was probably one of the best songwriters in the 70s

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » September 19, 2004 2:56 pm

DsilCaribe wrote:
Jahfin wrote:A lot of parallels may be drawn between Buffett and Denver but with all due respect to his fans, he always came across as a bit too wholesome and phony. That's not to say I don't think he ever did any good songs because I think he did, I just never considered myself a fan and have never thought of him and Buffett ever working together. I did admire him for standing up to the PRMC regarding putting warning labels on albums. If memory serves it seems like Buffett may have covered "Leaving On A Jet Plane" shortly after Denver's death.
why would you say denver is phony?? he ain't phony at all . . .all of his songs have profound meaning and i think he was probably one of the best songwriters in the 70s

Because that is how he always came across to me. Again, I was never a big fan and usually found his persona to be a bit too wholesome and some of his songs schmaltzy at best but that's just my opinion. When it comes to my favorite singer/songwriters of the 70s I'd put Steve Goodman, Jerry Jerry Jeff Walker, Willie Nelson, Emmylou Harris, Billy Joe Shaver, Townes Van Zandt, Joni Mitchell, Guy Clark, Jesse Winchester and Buffett at the top of my list. John Denver's sanitized AM radio pop/country doesn't even begin to enter the picture.

MelliJellyBean · Post by **MelliJellyBean** » September 19, 2004 2:59 pm

Hey Jimmy, do a Country Roads cover!

DeactiveCarib · Post by **DeactiveCarib** » September 19, 2004 3:16 pm

Jahfin wrote:
DsilCaribe wrote:
Jahfin wrote:A lot of parallels may be drawn between Buffett and Denver but with all due respect to his fans, he always came across as a bit too wholesome and phony. That's not to say I don't think he ever did any good songs because I think he did, I just never considered myself a fan and have never thought of him and Buffett ever working together. I did admire him for standing up to the PRMC regarding putting warning labels on albums. If memory serves it seems like Buffett may have covered "Leaving On A Jet Plane" shortly after Denver's death.
why would you say denver is phony?? he ain't phony at all . . .all of his songs have profound meaning and i think he was probably one of the best songwriters in the 70s
Because that is how he always came across to me. Again, I was never a big fan and usually found his persona to be a bit too wholesome and some of his songs schmaltzy at best but that's just my opinion. When it comes to my favorite singer/songwriters of the 70s I'd put Steve Goodman, Jerry Jerry Jeff Walker, Willie Nelson, Emmylou Harris, Billy Joe Shaver, Townes Van Zandt, Joni Mitchell, Guy Clark, Jesse Winchester and Buffett at the top of my list. John Denver's sanitized AM radio pop/country doesn't even begin to enter the picture.

I'll agree with you that Buffett was a better songwriter than John Denver and maybe a better artist, but JD was an excellent songwriter and musician until the day he died. Look at songs like "I'm Sorry," "Seasons of the Heart," "Annie's Song," "Sunshine on my Shoulders," etc. . . . sure, they are a little shmaltzy, but they are heartfelt . . . listen to "The Eagle and the Hawk" . . .who else could sing so passionately about two birds other than John Denver . . . i think it was his passion and how he wore his heart on his sleve that made him such a good artist, and his songwriting fits his persona and rings true . . . something that is surely not phony

But anyway, a Buffett cover of "Calypso" would be nice!

DeactiveCarib · Post by **DeactiveCarib** » September 19, 2004 6:05 pm

wow, just a sidenote . . . . this whole forum has been dead for 3 hours!! the last post before this one was by be, 3 hours ago . . . wow

citcat · Post by **citcat** » September 19, 2004 8:26 pm

Sorry, I gotta put my two cents in. John Denver was not a nice man....my dad was a limo driver in Louisville, and he was driving Mr. Denver back and forth to his hotel, and the venue. Dad asked him nicely for an autograph, and he snapped at him that he "doesn't do that". Not, "I'm sorry I don't do that." Well, that's ok except for the mean tone. But when they were driving by a sign for a famous country star that was also in town the same weekend, he snarled, "Thanks, so-and-so for being here the same weekend." Didn't give my dad a tip whatsoever, either.

Nada. Grouchy mean dumb bass!

magnus · Post by **magnus** » September 19, 2004 9:07 pm

Even the nicest people have bad days. One limo ride on one night shouldn't mark a man as mean. It's not like he beat up old ladies or kicked puppies. He was just rude and snappish. Most people I know are the same after a rough day. Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt.

JB plays golf every now and then at the resort in my town. He is completely unpleasant after a bad round. Doesn't make him a mean man, does it?

tdparrothead · Post by **tdparrothead** » September 19, 2004 9:42 pm

I'm a huge John Denver fan, but even I heard that on one occasion he got mad at the audience for clapping along to one his songs and told them to be quiet. It seems hard to believe, but I remember reading that in his later years he was deeply depressed as his stardom began to wane and turned to drugs and alcohol and also had a chip on his shoulder. Jimmy Buffett on the other hand never had all the hit songs, yet his popularity with fans was growing greatly. I just think that John Denver was on TV, radio, movies, then it all disappeared and he became bitter. Jimmy Buffett is a great businessman, but I also think he legitimately has a good time on stage. I find John Denver and Jimmy Buffett to be very similar, but they both handled their fame differently. Jimmy couldn't miss not being on the radio, because he wasn't on a lot to begin with. I will end my rant here because if I go any longer people won't read it, not to mention I forgot where I was going with all this.

daddymention · Post by **daddymention** » September 20, 2004 1:55 am

HUGE JD FAN!!!

My wife and I got to meet him at a book signing when his autobiography came out...We were the 4th people in line...I snapped a picture of him with my wife...he looked up, no smile, and seemed to be bothered to even be doing this....I agree with the above posts on how he handled fame and everything...he was going through some tough times....

I also got the chance to see him in concert twice at least 5 years prior to the book signing....He was so good in concert....you really saw the conviction in his singing...It was magic. His music will always move me...there have been very few artists ever to show such passion in their work. It's a shame that the innocence in his songs no longer fit into our modern world....One day he will be rediscovered and appreciated for the genius that he was...

I have forgiven him fully for the feelings and opinions I formed about him after that book signing...I understand him...

His was very upbeat the last couple of years before he died....check out his Wildlife Concert CD....it is full of renewed energy and life...that particular version of Rocky Mountain High is the best I've ever heard...and one of the top 10 best songs of all time...

citcat · Post by **citcat** » September 20, 2004 12:45 pm

magnus wrote:Even the nicest people have bad days. One limo ride on one night shouldn't mark a man as mean. It's not like he beat up old ladies or kicked puppies. He was just rude and snappish. Most people I know are the same after a rough day. Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt.

JB plays golf every now and then at the resort in my town. He is completely unpleasant after a bad round. Doesn't make him a mean man, does it?

True, but it was more than one ride....he took him here and there. My dad gives everyone a break, knows about bad days and stuff and he's met a lot of celebrities and some almost celebrities, but he was very disappointed in Denver (John, not Colorado

). Maybe he was in the middle of a breakup with a wife, or something. I did like his music, but.........

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » September 20, 2004 12:50 pm

Celebs are unfortunately put on a spot where people will judge them from one experience. People get so wrapped up in celebrity that when they meet one, they take a mental snapshot, and that's their opinion of the celeb forever. They can't often afford to have bad days out in public.

citcat · Post by **citcat** » September 20, 2004 12:54 pm

Yeah, but I've had food poisoning and still managed to be sweet!

Half dead with food poisoning, but still sweet.

Now PMS, THAT's a different story.

a1aara · Post by **a1aara** » September 20, 2004 1:30 pm

Didn't John Denver use to smoke a little pot ,every now and then?

a1aara · Post by **a1aara** » September 20, 2004 1:31 pm

Robbie Fulks does a great version of "Leaving on a Jet Plane"

magnus · Post by **magnus** » September 20, 2004 5:35 pm

citcat wrote:
magnus wrote:Even the nicest people have bad days. One limo ride on one night shouldn't mark a man as mean. It's not like he beat up old ladies or kicked puppies. He was just rude and snappish. Most people I know are the same after a rough day. Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt.

JB plays golf every now and then at the resort in my town. He is completely unpleasant after a bad round. Doesn't make him a mean man, does it?
True, but it was more than one ride....he took him here and there. My dad gives everyone a break, knows about bad days and stuff and he's met a lot of celebrities and some almost celebrities, but he was very disappointed in Denver (John, not Colorado ). Maybe he was in the middle of a breakup with a wife, or something. I did like his music, but.........

In that case, maybe your dad's impression was right. Maybe he was having a bad year instead of a bad day.

Mea culpa.

daddymention wrote:His was very upbeat the last couple of years before he died....check out his Wildlife Concert CD....it is full of renewed energy and life...that particular version of Rocky Mountain High is the best I've ever heard...and one of the top 10 best songs of all time...

I saw that tour. You're right, it was excellent. He looked happy just to be alive and singing.

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