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Passenger Cat Stevens Gets Plane Diverted

Posted: September 22, 2004 9:47 am
by Jahfin
From SouthFlorida.com:
http://www.southflorida.com/news/sns-ap ... -headlines

By LESLIE MILLER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine when it was discovered that passenger Yusuf Islam - formerly known as singer Cat Stevens - was on a government watch list and barred from entering the country.

United Airlines Flight 919 was en route to Dulles International Airport when the match was made Tuesday between a passenger and a name on the watch list, said Nico Melendez, a spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration.

The plane was met by federal agents at Maine's Bangor International Airport around 3 p.m., Melendez said.

Homeland Security Department spokesman Dennis Murphy identified the passenger as Islam. "He was interviewed and denied admission to the United States on national security grounds," Murphy said.




He said Islam would be put on the first available flight out of the country Wednesday.

Officials had no details about why the peace activist might be considered a risk to the United States. Islam had visited New York in May for a charity event and to promote a DVD of his 1976 MajiKat tour.

One official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Islam, 56, was identified by the Advanced Passenger Information System, which requires airlines to send passenger information to Customs and Border Protection's National Targeting Center. The Transportation Security Administration then was contacted and requested that the plane land at the nearest airport, that official said.

Melendez said Islam was questioned by FBI and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials.

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Another federal official, who is in law enforcement and spoke anonymously because of agency policy, said that after the interview, Customs officials decided to deny Islam entry into the United States.

Flight 919 continued on to Dulles after Islam was removed from the flight.

Islam, who was born Stephen Georgiou, took Cat Stevens as a stage name and had a string of hits in the 1960s and '70s, including "Wild World" and "Morning Has Broken." Last year he released two songs, including a re-recording of his '70s hit "Peace Train," to express his opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

He abandoned his music career in the late 1970s and changed his name after being persuaded by orthodox Muslim teachers that his lifestyle was forbidden by Islamic law. He later became a teacher and an advocate for his religion, founding a Muslim school in London in 1983.

Islam founded Islamia Primary school in London in 1983. In 1998, it became the first Muslim school in Britain to receive government support, on the same basis as Christian and other sectarian schools.

A statement posted on a fan-supported Web site where his music is promoted said Islam being on a watch list "is certainly an error."

"It's also a very sad state of affairs when a man best known as a peace loving pop star can be grouped into the same category Osama Bin Laden just because of his chosen faith," the statement said.

Islam drew some negative attention in the late 1980s when he supported the Ayatollah Khomeini's death sentence against Salman Rushdie, author of "The Satanic Verses." Recently, though, Islam has criticized terrorist acts, including the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the school seizure in Beslan, Russia, earlier this month that left more than 300 dead, nearly half of them children.

In a statement on his Web site, he wrote, "Crimes against innocent bystanders taken hostage in any circumstance have no foundation whatsoever in the life of Islam and the model example of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him."

After the Sept. 11 attacks, Islam issued a statement saying: "No right thinking follower of Islam could possibly condone such an action: The Quran equates the murder of one innocent person with the murder of the whole of humanity."

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On the Net:

Yusuf Islam: http://www.yusufislam.org.uk

Posted: September 22, 2004 9:53 am
by IsleReef
Michael Corleone said it best...... "Keep you friends close, but keep your enemies closer".......... I'm on the fence with this one....... Cat Stevens aka "whatever that Islam name he chose" does not seem to me a big concern.......... Maybe he wanted to come back for a reunion tour and spread his love all around..... He's probably broke anyway...... :roll:

Posted: September 22, 2004 10:01 am
by RinglingRingling
An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?

Posted: September 22, 2004 10:03 am
by PHBeerman
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
It's hard to prosecute hijackers who burn up in a plane crash.

Posted: September 22, 2004 10:07 am
by RinglingRingling
PHBeerman wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
It's hard to prosecute hijackers who burn up in a plane crash.
well then the problem is solved, and judgement of their deeds is handled by a higher court, isn't it?

Posted: September 22, 2004 10:09 am
by PHBeerman
RinglingRingling wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
It's hard to prosecute hijackers who burn up in a plane crash.
well then the problem is solved, and judgement of their deeds is handled by a higher court, isn't it?
Theirs and hundreds or even thousands of others too. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Yusuf Islam should be on the list, but a list like this should exist.

Posted: September 22, 2004 10:11 am
by SchoolGirlHeart
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
CNN wrote:A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."

Posted: September 22, 2004 10:22 am
by IsleReef
People have become too complacent and seem to have forgotten the anger and sadness of 9/11........ I think if you remember what we felt that day, all of the pieces fall into place and we can understand todays new modern justice........

Posted: September 22, 2004 11:36 am
by RinglingRingling
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
CNN wrote:A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."
but not proven?

Posted: September 22, 2004 11:42 am
by bumper
RinglingRingling wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
CNN wrote:A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."
but not proven?
If you are in favor of watch lists, what would be your criteria? What is it you want proven? and to what extent? Not in favor of profiling I am guessing as well??

Posted: September 22, 2004 12:21 pm
by tommcat327
RinglingRingling wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
CNN wrote:A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."
but not proven?
THATS CLOSE ENOUGH FOR ME.
SO YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE GETTING ON A PLANE WITH A MUSLIM WHO IS BELIEVED TO BE TIED TO TERRORIST GROUPS?

Posted: September 22, 2004 12:24 pm
by bumper
tommcat327 wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
CNN wrote:A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."
but not proven?
THATS CLOSE ENOUGH FOR ME.
SO YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE GETTING ON A PLANE WITH A MUSLIM WHO IS BELIEVED TO BE TIED TO TERRORIST GROUPS?
thats called a guniea pig aint it?

Posted: September 22, 2004 12:26 pm
by RhumChum
Prior to 9-11, I saw an interview with him. It was the first one he's given in quite some time. I couldn't wait to see it because I loved his music. That interview left me chilled.

He supports Osma Bin Laden both philosophically and financially. They said it and he agreed.

I believe that everyone should have choices in thier lives and that those choices come with consequenses.

I haven't listened to Cat Stevens since.

Posted: September 22, 2004 12:26 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
RinglingRingling wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
CNN wrote:A government official said Islam was on the watch list because of "known associations and financial support to organizations believed to be aiding terrorism."
but not proven?
if it were proven, he'd probably have been arrested instead of being denied entry and sent back to London.....

Posted: September 22, 2004 12:30 pm
by bumper
RhumChum wrote:Prior to 9-11, I saw an interview with him. It was the first one he's given in quite some time. I couldn't wait to see it because I loved his music. That interview left me chilled.

He supports Osma Bin Laden both philosophically and financially. They said it and he agreed.

I believe that everyone should have choices in thier lives and that those choices come with consequenses.

I haven't listened to Cat Stevens since.
Oh you mean Yusuf Islam, now I get it.

Posted: September 22, 2004 12:36 pm
by citcat
RhumChum wrote:Prior to 9-11, I saw an interview with him. It was the first one he's given in quite some time. I couldn't wait to see it because I loved his music. That interview left me chilled.

He supports Osma Bin Laden both philosophically and financially. They said it and he agreed.

I believe that everyone should have choices in thier lives and that those choices come with consequenses.

I haven't listened to Cat Stevens since.
Yeah, I used to listen to my Cat Stevens' albums in college a lot. He seemed to have problems back then, but I liked his music. Now he seems to have gone off the deep end......who in their right, humanitarian, honest mind would support Ugly Bin Ladle? No one, nada, nix, nay, nein. What a sad psycho. (I mean both of the aforementioned people). :evil: :x

Posted: September 22, 2004 12:41 pm
by Melli_Fera
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
maybe cuz he's not a citizen? (is he? I don't know for sure)

it's unfortunate, but times like these, you have to be skeptical...and it's even more unfortunate that I think it's high time that the US examines it's immigration laws.... I don't know how to do it... but something inside me says if you aren't a citizen here, then you don't have an automatic RIGHT to come here.... it's sad to say....but I see no end to terrorism or war until the world re-evaluates this mass movement towards mass globalization.... we are NOT one big happy family that can be one big happy society.... the pressure to move that way is our biggest downfall....

Posted: September 22, 2004 1:14 pm
by RAGTOP
Melli_Fera wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:An example of why the "no fly list" is a bit scary. TSA is also currently planning to order the airlines to turn over data on passengers to test their databases for the latest iteration of the "no-fly list".

My question is: In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (at least that is the theory...); how does one make the "no-fly list" when one's biggest threat is having spoken out against a government policy?
maybe cuz he's not a citizen? (is he? I don't know for sure)

it's unfortunate, but times like these, you have to be skeptical...and it's even more unfortunate that I think it's high time that the US examines it's immigration laws.... I don't know how to do it... but something inside me says if you aren't a citizen here, then you don't have an automatic RIGHT to come here.... it's sad to say....but I see no end to terrorism or war until the world re-evaluates this mass movement towards mass globalization.... we are NOT one big happy family that can be one big happy society.... the pressure to move that way is our biggest downfall....
not to get too deep into this but it all starts with putting the military on our borders... :wink:

Posted: September 22, 2004 1:20 pm
by tommcat327
RAGTOP wrote: not to get too deep into this but it all starts with putting the military on our borders... :wink:
OR ME WITH A HIGH POWER RIFLE 8)

Posted: September 22, 2004 1:26 pm
by Fins in Low Places
RAGTOP wrote: not to get too deep into this but it all starts with putting the military on our borders... :wink:
It could actually be argued that it starts with removing the military from certain places globally.