Liberals Complaint Department

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » November 3, 2004 9:00 am

big hat carmen wrote:
12vmanRick wrote: I don't want to or mean to be starting something when I ask this. I just really do want an honest opinion on something you said. " I just want to keep my job and keep helping people who cannot help themselves"
Why do you want to keep working hard for your money and continue giving your hard earned money to people that do not care to help themselves and think that because you work hard for something and they don't that they should be allowed to have part of your money for nothing ?
Rick, I didn't take offense at your question. And no, I don't want my hard earned money to go to people too lazy to help themselves, but there are people who cannot help themself who are going without basic needs, like housing and food. The program that I run works with severely mentally ill, like schizophrenics. As for working, do you want your hamburger to be served by someone who is too ill to attend to basic hygiene needs? As someone who deals with the welfare system on a daily basis, I probably hate the "cheats" more than most people because they take services away from those truly in need. I barely survived the funding cuts in July so I am sure that my program will not survive after the end of the fiscal year.

I live in an apartment complex that has recently been purchased by HUD and is now a public housing complex. I qualified to stay and pay the highest rent. I chose to stay here because I really didn't want to move 2 times in a year as I will be moving to Washington state in July. I am apalled at the fact my management is never in the office during posted office hours, maintenance is the pits!!! I have had a water leak in my closet for over 2 weeks that they just don't seem to want to repair. I'm wondering when the mold and fungus will make me sick. I haven't slept on my bed in weeks because my closet is on my bed waiting for the maintenance people to get off their butts (dispite my numerous calls) and finish the repair job they started - which was basically removing the carpet pad and sucking up water. Water continues to leak in my apt. Yes, the "system" is full of cheaters but it's also full of dead weight employees that are obviously milking the government for they paycheck. I'm not saying that is the case with you but rather what I've seen with my own eyes.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 3, 2004 9:04 am

big hat carmen wrote:
PHBeerman wrote: Is America really THIS conservative?

If it is, I may be in the wrong country....
Sorry Lee but this is where I say

WOOOOHOOOOOO

It is about what is right and moral. Sorry you cannot understand those subjects.

This is the frightening thing going on in this country. Why can't Lee & I have a different view of what is "right and moral"?[/quote]

Why is it a "conservative" view to believe that the sanctity of marriage is to be reserved for a man and a woman?

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » November 3, 2004 9:04 am

big hat carmen wrote:
12vmanRick wrote: I don't want to or mean to be starting something when I ask this. I just really do want an honest opinion on something you said. " I just want to keep my job and keep helping people who cannot help themselves"
Why do you want to keep working hard for your money and continue giving your hard earned money to people that do not care to help themselves and think that because you work hard for something and they don't that they should be allowed to have part of your money for nothing ?
Rick, I didn't take offense at your question. And no, I don't want my hard earned money to go to people too lazy to help themselves, but there are people who cannot help themself who are going without basic needs, like housing and food. The program that I run works with severely mentally ill, like schizophrenics. As for working, do you want your hamburger to be served by someone who is too ill to attend to basic hygiene needs? As someone who deals with the welfare system on a daily basis, I probably hate the "cheats" more than most people because they take services away from those truly in need. I barely survived the funding cuts in July so I am sure that my program will not survive after the end of the fiscal year.

I agree with you on helping those who can't help themselves. I had rather us use the money from Iraq and help America!!!! I wouldn't give a crap if we pulled out and left them to themselves and the rest of that region too. It's obvious that us being there doesn't help the consumer with oil prices.

And no, I don't want some that is too ill to attend to basic hygiene to serve me a burger BUT there are other options to having homeless, etc work for the monitary assistance they recieve. Example, trash pickup!

IsleReef · Post by **IsleReef** » November 3, 2004 9:04 am

I'm sooooooooo bleery eyed right now from last night.......... I need a bloody mary for breakfast........ Yaaaaaaawwwwwwwn......

big hat carmen · Post by **big hat carmen** » November 3, 2004 9:06 am

ph4ever wrote:
Yes, the "system" is full of cheaters but it's also full of dead weight employees that are obviously milking the government for they paycheck. I'm not saying that is the case with you but rather what I've seen with my own eyes.

My number 1 pet peeve is an agency that does not answer its phones one day per week to allow its employees time to catch up on paperwork !! and doing their nails and reading romance novels.

big hat carmen · Post by **big hat carmen** » November 3, 2004 9:08 am

12vmanRick wrote: And no, I don't want some that is too ill to attend to basic hygiene to serve me a burger BUT there are other options to having homeless, etc work for the monitary assistance they recieve. Example, trash pickup!

And those are the first programs to be cut because they are labor intensive and therefore costly.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » November 3, 2004 9:08 am

big hat carmen wrote:
ph4ever wrote:
Yes, the "system" is full of cheaters but it's also full of dead weight employees that are obviously milking the government for they paycheck. I'm not saying that is the case with you but rather what I've seen with my own eyes.
My number 1 pet peeve is an agency that does not answer its phones one day per week to allow its employees time to catch up on paperwork !! and doing their nails and reading romance novels.

yea I took my ex MIL to get food stamps (ex FIL had cancer and was dieing ex MIL was a breast cancer survivor and in ill health too so neither could work) and saw that very thing.

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » November 3, 2004 9:08 am

PHBeerman wrote:
nycparrothead wrote:
RAGTOP wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:My feeling is democracy is democracy... this must represent the will of the people...

and that surprises me until I remember that reality shows and Jerry Springer are still popular here....
please explain what you mean by that. Just curious.
I think Lee is saying that people are morons. Which, in spite of the election turning out the way I wanted, I wholeheartedly agree with.
Isn't that a case of the pots calling the kettles black?

RACIST!!!

Bocanut · Post by **Bocanut** » November 3, 2004 9:09 am

PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:What concerns me more is the number of folks who voted to ban gay marriage and limit domestic partner rights....

Is America really THIS conservative?

If it is, I may be in the wrong country....
Sorry Lee but this is where I say

WOOOOHOOOOOO

It is about what is right and moral. Sorry you cannot understand those subjects.

Please move if you do not like it. I hear that there are some European countries that will accept you.

Some people just want to do whatever the hell thay can do with no consequences.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 3, 2004 9:09 am

12vmanRick wrote: I agree with you on helping those who can't help themselves. I had rather us use the money from Iraq and help America!!!! I wouldn't give a crap if we pulled out and left them to themselves and the rest of that region too. It's obvious that us being there doesn't help the consumer with oil prices.

And no, I don't want some that is too ill to attend to basic hygiene to serve me a burger BUT there are other options to having homeless, etc work for the monitary assistance they recieve. Example, trash pickup!

It won't work. When I used to work at the beer distributorship, we would hire from the local rescue mission for some part time clean up (repackaging product and such). After they would get doen, I would go back to check out what they had done and find empty beer cans stashed. (I think they would drink as much as they would repack) and for weeks I would get complaints of beer that has been "mispackaged". The bast**** are lazy in most cases. That is why they are homeless. IMHO

big hat carmen · Post by **big hat carmen** » November 3, 2004 9:11 am

PHBeerman wrote:
Why is it a "conservative" view to believe that the sanctity of marriage is to be reserved for a man and a woman?

I have been married for 29 years so I believe in marriage, but why is it wrong for two consenting adults to enter into a relationship. I do not see how that threatens my marriage. And that is the conservative message that I have been hearing in Ohio.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » November 3, 2004 9:12 am

Bocanut wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:What concerns me more is the number of folks who voted to ban gay marriage and limit domestic partner rights....

Is America really THIS conservative?

If it is, I may be in the wrong country....
Sorry Lee but this is where I say

WOOOOHOOOOOO

It is about what is right and moral. Sorry you cannot understand those subjects.

Please move if you do not like it. I hear that there are some European countries that will accept you.

Some people just want to do whatever the hell thay can do with no consequences.

This is what I take issue with too. Who on this earth has the power and responsiblilty to judge someone's moral issues??

IsleReef · Post by **IsleReef** » November 3, 2004 9:12 am

ph4ever wrote:
Bocanut wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:What concerns me more is the number of folks who voted to ban gay marriage and limit domestic partner rights....

Is America really THIS conservative?

If it is, I may be in the wrong country....
Sorry Lee but this is where I say

WOOOOHOOOOOO

It is about what is right and moral. Sorry you cannot understand those subjects.

Please move if you do not like it. I hear that there are some European countries that will accept you.

Some people just want to do whatever the hell thay can do with no consequences.
This is what I take issue with too. Who on this earth has the power and responsiblilty to judge someone's moral issues??

Shane does............

MelliJellyBean · Post by **MelliJellyBean** » November 3, 2004 9:14 am

Key Lime Lee wrote:What concerns me more is the number of folks who voted to ban gay marriage and limit domestic partner rights....

Is America really THIS conservative?

If it is, I may be in the wrong country....

If Canada wasn't so darn cold, I'd be moving there!

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 3, 2004 9:14 am

big hat carmen wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
Why is it a "conservative" view to believe that the sanctity of marriage is to be reserved for a man and a woman?
I have been married for 29 years so I believe in marriage, but why is it wrong for two consenting adults to enter into a relationship. I do not see how that threatens my marriage. And that is the conservative message that I have been hearing in Ohio.

It is not going to threaten your marriage. However why do said adults, who IMO are breaking natural law, need to taint the establishment that is marriage?

IsleReef · Post by **IsleReef** » November 3, 2004 9:15 am

Just for the fun of it, why not just throw the Bible into the mix????

RAGTOP · Post by **RAGTOP** » November 3, 2004 9:17 am

RAGTOP wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:My feeling is democracy is democracy... this must represent the will of the people...

and that surprises me until I remember that reality shows and Jerry Springer are still popular here....
please explain what you mean by that. Just curious.

big hat carmen · Post by **big hat carmen** » November 3, 2004 9:17 am

PHBeerman wrote:[
It won't work. When I used to work at the beer distributorship, we would hire from the local rescue mission for some part time clean up (repackaging product and such). After they would get doen, I would go back to check out what they had done and find empty beer cans stashed. (I think they would drink as much as they would repack) and for weeks I would get complaints of beer that has been "mispackaged". The bast**** are lazy in most cases. That is why they are homeless. IMHO

It didn't work because it was a f!!king stupid idea. You don't take addicts into that environment and expect them not to behave as addicts. Whoever ran that mission was totally irresponsible, that is the need for supervision and putting people into a less hazardous environment.

MelliJellyBean · Post by **MelliJellyBean** » November 3, 2004 9:18 am

IsleReef wrote:Just for the fun of it, why not just throw the Bible into the mix????

oh boy

religion AND politics now that will make for a big disagreement.

I just think our lives are too short to have to deal with George W. for FOUR more freaking years

i'm moving.

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » November 3, 2004 9:18 am

nycparrothead wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
nycparrothead wrote:
RAGTOP wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:My feeling is democracy is democracy... this must represent the will of the people...

and that surprises me until I remember that reality shows and Jerry Springer are still popular here....
please explain what you mean by that. Just curious.
I think Lee is saying that people are morons. Which, in spite of the election turning out the way I wanted, I wholeheartedly agree with.
Isn't that a case of the pots calling the kettles black?
RACIST!!!

Omarosa !