THIS is how I feel about it...

mexcooker12 · Post by **mexcooker12** » November 19, 2004 11:30 am

By no means did it offend me, but was it necessary for ABC to air that on Monday Night Football, probably not. I dont think something like this would scar a child for life but in the wake of the Janet Jackson it seems like bad timing. To ABC's credit, Desperate Housewives is getting tons of publicity because of all this which is what I am sure they intended in the first place. While watching the spot I wasnt offended but I was nonetheless suprised that they would air it. Also I had no idea that woman was from Desperate Housewives, I didnt even know what show they were cross promoting till the next day, I guess I am out of the loop

Mr Play · Post by **Mr Play** » November 19, 2004 11:32 am

mexcooker12 wrote:Also I had no idea that woman was from Desperate Housewives, I didnt even know what show they were cross promoting till the next day, I guess I am out of the loop

That sounds like a testimonial for their marketing campaign. That's exactly what they were going for.

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » November 19, 2004 11:34 am

Four Play wrote:He sees my wife walking around in a towel when she gets out of the shower, and he's seen her take it off before.

Can i come over?!?!

Mr Play · Post by **Mr Play** » November 19, 2004 11:35 am

nycparrothead wrote:
Four Play wrote:He sees my wife walking around in a towel when she gets out of the shower, and he's seen her take it off before.
Can i come over?!?!

Sure - bring my cd's with you

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 11:36 am

PHBeerman wrote:
Sorry let me clarify the question.

It seems you have only been coming around to chat when you want to b**** about some made up group of “morality police” among us. Yet, you believe that they have just as much right to lobby as the activist groups whose views better fit your own. Yet you keep bitching about them expressing their views. Why?

I didn't realize my posting habits were subject to your judgement.... I post when I can and lately that's not very often.

If you can't see that there's no contradiction in disagreeing with a group's point of view and yet understanding that they're entitled to have it then you're not nearly as smart as I thought you were.

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » November 19, 2004 11:36 am

Four Play wrote:
nycparrothead wrote:
Four Play wrote:He sees my wife walking around in a towel when she gets out of the shower, and he's seen her take it off before.
Can i come over?!?!
Sure - bring my cd's with you

sorry dude... They were auctioned off on Ebay a couple weeks ago!

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » November 19, 2004 11:37 am

PHBeerman wrote:
buffettbride wrote:wFPs.
Less the conservative part.

Yep. But we are pretty conservative when it comes to the TV rules in our house. It wasn't an issue for us because the kids can't watch TV on school nights anyway.

I'd rather have her see that on TV than much of what is on the news every day. If Victoria were to see the MNF thing she woulda just said "Mommy, what that girl is doing is inappropriate" and it would be a done issue.

As for the racial thing, it didn't even occur to me until someone else pointed it out.

bumper · Post by **bumper** » November 19, 2004 11:37 am

nycparrothead wrote:
Four Play wrote:He sees my wife walking around in a towel when she gets out of the shower, and he's seen her take it off before.
Can i come over?!?!

Is T.O. babysitting at the time?

a1aara · Post by **a1aara** » November 19, 2004 11:38 am

PHBeerman,

Are you part of the religous right? Are these the people that are mostly behind these "right wing morality groups"?

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » November 19, 2004 11:40 am

a1aara wrote:PHBeerman,

Are you part of the religous right? Are these the people that are mostly behind these "right wing morality groups"?

I think he's more of the self-righteous right

But all of us have been guilty of it at some time or another.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 19, 2004 11:41 am

a1aara wrote:PHBeerman,

Are you part of the religous right? Are these the people that are mostly behind these "right wing morality groups"?

If you consider someone who goes to church about twice a year on average the religious right, I guess I am. If you consider the religious right a group that consists of people who believe that there are core moral values that should be protected, then hell yes I am a part of that.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 11:44 am

PHBeerman wrote: If you consider the religious right a group that consists of people who believe that there are core moral values that should be protected, then hell yes I am a part of that.

Then why would you want to live in a FREE society? The very nature of a free society means that you CANNOT protect those values.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 19, 2004 11:46 am

Key Lime Lee wrote:
PHBeerman wrote: If you consider the religious right a group that consists of people who believe that there are core moral values that should be protected, then hell yes I am a part of that.
Then why would you want to live in a FREE society? The very nature of a free society means that you CANNOT protect those values.

I knew you were an anarchist.

Lee you are smart enough to know there is no such thing as a "Free society” some rules of governance must exist to maintain the peace.

nycparrothead · Post by **nycparrothead** » November 19, 2004 11:46 am

LEE AND TROY!!! Why don't you two nitwits quit bickering and just get married already! Good lord, you're worse than my grandparents!

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » November 19, 2004 11:47 am

nycparrothead wrote:LEE AND TROY!!! Why don't you two nitwits quit bickering and just get married already! Good lord, you're worse than my grandparents!

He stopped putting out... what's the point in marrying him now...

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 19, 2004 11:48 am

Key Lime Lee wrote:
nycparrothead wrote:LEE AND TROY!!! Why don't you two nitwits quit bickering and just get married already! Good lord, you're worse than my grandparents!
He stopped putting out... what's the point in marrying him now...

Hey once our marriage plans were demolished by the evil do gooders I thought there was no reason to put out

bumper · Post by **bumper** » November 19, 2004 11:49 am

Key Lime Lee wrote:
PHBeerman wrote: If you consider the religious right a group that consists of people who believe that there are core moral values that should be protected, then hell yes I am a part of that.
Then why would you want to live in a FREE society? The very nature of a free society means that you CANNOT protect those values.

HUH????? you've been reading to much again. The very nature of a free society is choice, to chose to or not and there are many levels of choice from individual, family, group and so on.

a1aara · Post by **a1aara** » November 19, 2004 11:51 am

What are "core moral values" and who get's the final say?

jollymon345 · Post by **jollymon345** » November 19, 2004 11:52 am

The only people who are making this a race issue are the same people who probably blame everyone of the problems on race. This has nothing to do with race. Was it inappropriate for the spot that it was in? Maybe. Was it indecent? Hell No! Was it racist? Hell No! The reason that Owens was used was because if you ask everybody who is not from Philly or Dallas(or not a huge Philly or Dallas fan) to name 5 players from both teams the only 2 names that would be on every list is Owens and McNabb and Owens was the one who agreed to do it. Is it racist that the 2 most known players on both those teams are black? That just happens to be the way that it is. If anybody feels they need to lower themselves to use the race card than I have no respect for them at all.

PHBeerman · Post by **PHBeerman** » November 19, 2004 11:53 am

a1aara wrote:What are "core moral values" and who get's the final say?

I would say the final say goes to the majority of those that care enough to get involved.