THIS is how I feel about it...

[bumper]

I'm still waiting for an answer to what "core moral values" are?

I agree with semitruths on this one.

you have to be more specific, which level are you addressing?

[captainjoe]

This is all due to the conservative feeling that is sweeping the nation after the election. I think we all need to chill out and not get so tensed up after something like this. This was no big deal. What happens to the people who want to see this or to the people that do not mind seeing this type of tv? Why are their rights not as important as someone who does not like this?

But what should I know, I am just a liberal and we all know that means I am dumb and without "core moral values"

Would you be saying the same if Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Bill Cosby, Tiger Woods, oh wait he married a cracker, made the case instead, not on moral grounds but on sterotypical grounds?

Which sterotype would they argue? I don't see it. If this refers to the racist thing, then I think it is white people who would have gotten mad. I have never heard of a black person complaining about interracial marriage or dating - only white people.

And yes, if they were complaining, I would tell theem that we need to lighten up as well.

[PHBeerman]

What are "core moral values" and who get's the final say?

I would say the final say goes to the majority of those that care enough to get involved.

So Nazi Germany was a-okay with you as long as it was a majorty.

Ok Lee you are going to extremes here. But, I will respond. Up to a point, Germans believed that Hitler's ideas did fit them. They made the choice at first. Then Hitler went over the edge and payed the price. The Germans made this choice in a free election in 1932. If the Germans could have seen into the future their choice may have been different.

And what if you had a nation where 51% of the people believed it was okay to exterminate Jews? If that's the core moral value shared by the majority, then you would be okay with a country like that?

It is refreshing to have Lee and his extreme examples back. You know as well as I that murder is wrong, ethnic cleansing, racism, and others such disgraceful things are wrong. But we are talking about a much less offensive level of morality here. People in this country are finally standing up and saying "our country has lost it's moral compass, and I am going to do something about it"

We are not going to let our country turn into the Netherlands. (My grandparents left there for a reason)

[bumper]

This is all due to the conservative feeling that is sweeping the nation after the election. I think we all need to chill out and not get so tensed up after something like this. This was no big deal. What happens to the people who want to see this or to the people that do not mind seeing this type of tv? Why are their rights not as important as someone who does not like this?

But what should I know, I am just a liberal and we all know that means I am dumb and without "core moral values"

Would you be saying the same if Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Bill Cosby, Tiger Woods, oh wait he married a cracker, made the case instead, not on moral grounds but on sterotypical grounds?

Which sterotype would they argue? I don't see it. If this refers to the racist thing, then I think it is white people who would have gotten mad. I have never heard of a black person complaining about interracial marriage or dating - only white people.

And yes, if they were complaining, I would tell theem that we need to lighten up as well.

The reference is successful black man dating/marrying outside of his race, in this case, seeking a caucasion female who just happens to be another sterotyped blond hair, blue eyed barbi.

[captainjoe]

The reference is successful black man dating/marrying outside of his race, in this case, seeking a caucasion female who just happens to be another sterotyped blond hair, blue eyed barbi.

That still does not make sense. Who is saying this? The only people that I know are saying this are white people. I have not heard anyone in the black community speak out against interracial marriage/dating.

[PHBeerman]

The reference is successful black man dating/marrying outside of his race, in this case, seeking a caucasion female who just happens to be another sterotyped blond hair, blue eyed barbi.

That still does not make sense. Who is saying this? The only people that I know are saying this are white people. I have not heard anyone in the black community speak out against interracial marriage/dating.

Tony Dungy???

[bumper]

The reference is successful black man dating/marrying outside of his race, in this case, seeking a caucasion female who just happens to be another sterotyped blond hair, blue eyed barbi.

That still does not make sense. Who is saying this? The only people that I know are saying this are white people. I have not heard anyone in the black community speak out against interracial marriage/dating.

commentator on espn spoke in depth on the issue.

[Key Lime Lee]

It is refreshing to have Lee and his extreme examples back. You know as well as I that murder is wrong, ethnic cleansing, racism, and others such disgraceful things are wrong. But we are talking about a much less offensive level of morality here. People in this country are finally standing up and saying "our country has lost it's moral compass, and I am going to do something about it"

We are not going to let our country turn into the Netherlands. (My grandparents left there for a reason)

The point of extreme examples is to show the flaw in your "logic". If what you're saying is supposed to make sense (ie the majority determines the values) then it should hold true in all cases. Clearly you're less comfortable with the majority dictating the values when those values are different than your own.

And you're right - it is a lesser issue, which is exactly why it's stupid to spend so much time trying to legislate values instead of simply teaching them. The founding fathers made it pretty tough for the values of the majority to needlessly infringe upon the rights of the minority and that's exactly what this is.

There is no social necessity for G-rated television - it's simply what some people want to save them the trouble of having to parent.

[captainjoe]

What did he say? Did he say that interracial dating is wrong? Did he say that blacks should stick with black and whites should stick with whites? Or were they discussing the racist views of white America?

Tony Dungy

Facts please!

[RinglingRingling]

Just be sure to return the books before the due date if you live in Michigan.

Library offenders could go to jail

BAY CITY, Michigan (AP) -- Keeping library books too long could soon land some readers in jail.

Frustrated librarians want the worst offenders to face criminal charges and up to 90 days behind bars.

So... when I am standing there in the processing line, and the one guy says, "I killed my whole family, with an axe"; and the other guy next to me says, "I did unspeakable things with a nun, two babies, and German Shepard"; my response is going to be, "oh yeah? You guys are wimps!!! I kept library books until they were overdue!!!!"

Somehow, I have the feeling reenacting Ned Beatty's big scene from "Deliverance" would be part of my future.

[PHBeerman]

It is refreshing to have Lee and his extreme examples back. You know as well as I that murder is wrong, ethnic cleansing, racism, and others such disgraceful things are wrong. But we are talking about a much less offensive level of morality here. People in this country are finally standing up and saying "our country has lost it's moral compass, and I am going to do something about it"

We are not going to let our country turn into the Netherlands. (My grandparents left there for a reason)

The point of extreme examples is to show the flaw in your "logic". If what you're saying is supposed to make sense (ie the majority determines the values) then it should hold true in all cases. Clearly you're less comfortable with the majority dictating the values when those values are different than your own.

And you're right - it is a lesser issue, which is exactly why it's stupid to spend so much time trying to legislate values instead of simply teaching them. The founding fathers made it pretty tough for the values of the majority to needlessly infringe upon the rights of the minority and that's exactly what this is.

There is no social necessity for G-rated television - it's simply what some people want to save them the trouble of having to parent.

Look back Lee. My only problem was with your bitching about the "Moral Police" I did not even notice the add at the time. Nor did my 6 year old.

[RinglingRingling]

It is refreshing to have Lee and his extreme examples back. You know as well as I that murder is wrong, ethnic cleansing, racism, and others such disgraceful things are wrong. But we are talking about a much less offensive level of morality here. People in this country are finally standing up and saying "our country has lost it's moral compass, and I am going to do something about it"

We are not going to let our country turn into the Netherlands. (My grandparents left there for a reason)

The point of extreme examples is to show the flaw in your "logic". If what you're saying is supposed to make sense (ie the majority determines the values) then it should hold true in all cases. Clearly you're less comfortable with the majority dictating the values when those values are different than your own.

And you're right - it is a lesser issue, which is exactly why it's stupid to spend so much time trying to legislate values instead of simply teaching them. The founding fathers made it pretty tough for the values of the majority to needlessly infringe upon the rights of the minority and that's exactly what this is.

There is no social necessity for G-rated television - it's simply what some people want to save them the trouble of having to parent.

But kids are disposable like first marriages, and Bic lighters, aren' t they?

[Key Lime Lee]

Look back Lee. My only problem was with your bitching about the "Moral Police" I did not even notice the add at the time. Nor did my 6 year old.

So your only problem was with my first amendment rights?

Sure, now I feel better.

[PHBeerman]

It is refreshing to have Lee and his extreme examples back. You know as well as I that murder is wrong, ethnic cleansing, racism, and others such disgraceful things are wrong. But we are talking about a much less offensive level of morality here. People in this country are finally standing up and saying "our country has lost it's moral compass, and I am going to do something about it"

We are not going to let our country turn into the Netherlands. (My grandparents left there for a reason)

The point of extreme examples is to show the flaw in your "logic". If what you're saying is supposed to make sense (ie the majority determines the values) then it should hold true in all cases. Clearly you're less comfortable with the majority dictating the values when those values are different than your own.

And you're right - it is a lesser issue, which is exactly why it's stupid to spend so much time trying to legislate values instead of simply teaching them. The founding fathers made it pretty tough for the values of the majority to needlessly infringe upon the rights of the minority and that's exactly what this is.

There is no social necessity for G-rated television - it's simply what some people want to save them the trouble of having to parent.

Using your logic of individuals should be able to govern themselves. If someone chose to go on a killing spree, we should not infringe on their right to do so. And the majority should not have a thing to say about it.

[captainjoe]

I believe that Key Lime Lee believes in law and order so you might want to come up with a better example.

[PHBeerman]

Look back Lee. My only problem was with your bitching about the "Moral Police" I did not even notice the add at the time. Nor did my 6 year old.

So your only problem was with my first amendment rights?

Sure, now I feel better.

Do you have problems with my second amendment rights?

[PHBeerman]

I believe that Key Lime Lee believes in law and order so you might want to come up with a better example.

Show me where.

[bumper]

What did he say? Did he say that interracial dating is wrong? Did he say that blacks should stick with black and whites should stick with whites? Or were they discussing the racist views of white America?

Tony Dungy

Facts please!

already gave you the facts

[Key Lime Lee]

Using your logic of individuals should be able to govern themselves. If someone chose to go on a killing spree, we should not infringe on their right to do so. And the majority should not have a thing to say about it.

That's not my logic at all - that's your assumption.

If anything, that's simply another example of your belief that the majority should set the rules in all cases.

[bravedave]

Which of these legislative proposals should be pursued if they enjoy 51% popular support?

• Ending all 2nd or 3rd trimester abortions
  Reinstating prohibition
  Legalizing marijuana
  Enacting voter registration IQ tests
  Allowing foreign born citizens to be president
  Allowing presidents to serve 3 terms (not consecutively)