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Well it certainly shouldn't be about how popular you are...

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:To be a "historian" you have to be a recognized expert... most people on the committee are established journalists, critics, musicians or industry professionals....

The nominating committee is certainly not a bunch of lightweights... guys like Ahmet Ertigun and Clive Davis and Jimmy Iovine and John Landau...

...and Jann Wenner from ah, Rolling Stone. Which I'm not exactly sure is a good thing.

As much as the magazine has become just another corporate magazine, I still think Jann deserves credit for what he did early on... there was a time when RS was innovative and truly counter-culture....

I agree but it seems they've become a part of one huge conglomerate that controls VH1, MTV, CMT and that evil of evils, Clear Channel.

Key Lime Lee wrote:Well it certainly shouldn't be about how popular you are...

What should it be about. Please don't give me the what have they contributed bullcrap.

jollymon345 wrote:The Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame is a joke. IMO it is not about how great of a band or musician or how popular you are, it is about who you know and alot of times it is "political". There are so many people that I would not consider great or very influential in the Hall of Fame.

Though I may not be a fan of some of the artists inducted so far I do think the vast majority of them have had a very profound effect on the evolution of rock n' roll. On the other hand The Replacements were a huge part of the 80s underground movement that eventually led to the popularization of "alternative" music as a viable radio format but I very seriously doubt they'll ever be inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame.

PHBeerman wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:Well it certainly shouldn't be about how popular you are...

What should it be about. Please don't give me the what have they contributed bullcrap.

Musical innovation and influence as it relates to the tradition of rock and roll.

Key Lime Lee wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:Well it certainly shouldn't be about how popular you are...

What should it be about. Please don't give me the what have they contributed bullcrap.

Musical innovation and influence as it relates to the tradition of rock and roll.

What would you describe as the tradition of rock and roll?

it wouldn't be a description, it would be a history lesson...

Key Lime Lee wrote:it wouldn't be a description, it would be a history lesson...

The history I have a grasp on. But do you believe that Skynard. (Who I love by the way) did enough in their short career to deserve induction.

I am trying to compare this to the requirements for induction into a HOF that I am aware of. ie sports.

The difference is that sports HOFs are based on althetic achievement, which can be measured quantitatively (number of touchdowns, yards rushed etc).

Musical achievement is more abstract - if you do it quantitatively you'd have to use record sales, which would be like inducting the football players who had the most endorsement deals or whom moved the most licensed merchandise.

Much like the art world, sometimes the greatest innovators and the greatest influences never found huge commercial success.

Without that quantitative benchmark, there's always going to be disagreement.

Key Lime Lee wrote:The difference is that sports HOFs are based on althetic achievement, which can be measured quantitatively (number of touchdowns, yards rushed etc).

Musical achievement is more abstract - if you do it quantitatively you'd have to use record sales, which would be like inducting the football players who had the most endorsement deals or whom moved the most licensed merchandise.

Much like the art world, sometimes the greatest innovators and the greatest influences never found huge commercial success.

Without that quantitative benchmark, there's always going to be disagreement.

That is kind of what I was thinking. So why does there need to be a HOF?

No idea.

Does the HOF mean anything to the artists? Or just crazed fans?

I think that's the heart of the issue the HOF is struggling with... NARAS does it every year too... they're both trying to walk the line between what is truly musically significant and what is commercially sucessful.

What musicians and music industry people feel is significant may or may not be interesting to the public at large.

Key Lime Lee wrote:I think that's the heart of the issue the HOF is struggling with... NARAS does it every year too... they're both trying to walk the line between what is truly musically significant and what is commercially sucessful.

What musicians and music industry people feel is significant may or may not be interesting to the public at large.

But then it comes down to the almighty dollar. Who will the fans come to see in the Hall.