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Posted: December 6, 2004 5:22 pm
by PHBeerman
phenwayparrothead wrote:It seems alot og the great singer song writers got a raw deal here
Yep. Where is Kris Kristopherson?

Posted: December 6, 2004 6:21 pm
by DeactiveCarib
Jahfin wrote:
DsilCaribe wrote:
Jahfin wrote:I have to do disagree about Buffett's recognition. Folks tend to forget he enjoyed quite a bit of success back in the 70s. As far as lists like the Rolling Stone one are concerned, I honestly never expected to see any of his songs included on there anyway. That's not to say I don't think any of them are worthy, just that I would have been surprised to see any of them on there.
yeah, but he only had 2.5 hits in the 70s, and only one was really a "smash hit". I think we can all agree that his income has gone up exponentally since the 70s.
2.5 hits? How does one do that? Not to mention, the chart position of his hits is not what's being referred to but his overall popularity. Some folks seem to think License to Chill is his first flirtation with popularity of any kind when it's not.
he has refered to himself (pre-5oclock) of having 2.5 hits: Margaritaville, Cheeseburger, and Come Monday was the half.

Posted: December 6, 2004 8:05 pm
by Jahfin
DsilCaribe wrote:
Jahfin wrote:
DsilCaribe wrote:
Jahfin wrote:I have to do disagree about Buffett's recognition. Folks tend to forget he enjoyed quite a bit of success back in the 70s. As far as lists like the Rolling Stone one are concerned, I honestly never expected to see any of his songs included on there anyway. That's not to say I don't think any of them are worthy, just that I would have been surprised to see any of them on there.
yeah, but he only had 2.5 hits in the 70s, and only one was really a "smash hit". I think we can all agree that his income has gone up exponentally since the 70s.
2.5 hits? How does one do that? Not to mention, the chart position of his hits is not what's being referred to but his overall popularity. Some folks seem to think License to Chill is his first flirtation with popularity of any kind when it's not.
he has refered to himself (pre-5oclock) of having 2.5 hits: Margaritaville, Cheeseburger, and Come Monday was the half.
The number of Buffett's hits aside, my point is, he was pretty well known in the 70s. In addition to that he's been selling out concerts for quite some time without the benefit of radio airplay so it's not like he's a complete unknown.

Posted: December 7, 2004 2:22 am
by phenwayparrothead
no Harry Chapin is tough

Posted: December 7, 2004 3:28 am
by st.somewhere
Blue Suede Shoes

Image</img> Carl Perkins version... (#95)

Image</img> Elvis Presley's version... (#423)

This is an interesting fact that you might not know... I didn't know it either until I noticed that this song was on the list twice. It was written and recorded in 1956 by Carl Perkins. It was recorded again the same year, but the 2nd time it was recorded by Elvis Presley. Here's the story...
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Written by: Perkins
Produced by: Sam Phillips
Released: Feb '56 on Sun
Charts: 21 weeks
Top spot: No. 2

Inspired by a Tennessee hep cat who was trying to keep the girl he was dancing with from scuffing up his new shoes, Perkins wrote the song that would be his Sun debut. It was the first single to crack the pop R&B and country charts, and Perkins was driving to New York to perform the song on The Perry Como Show when his car crashed into a poultry truck, laying him up for weeks. He could only sit home and watch while "Blue Suede Shoes" was performed on The Milton Berle Show -- sung by Elvis Presley, who would later admit he couldn't top Perkins' original.

Appears on: Original Sun Greatest Hits (Rhino)
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Posted: December 7, 2004 7:47 am
by grags
You know, I'm only 30 years old, so I always feel I have to apologize for not being around when the Beatles hit America, but I'm kind of getting sick of it...I think they are one of the most over-rated bands ever.

Did they turn the music world upside down in their day? Sure. Does that really still matter now, in 2004? I doubt it.

There's a classic hits radio station where I live that I really used to like, but over the years, they've gotten worse. The same 5 Beatles songs, the same 3 Rolling Stones songs. The same 3 Bob Segar songs. And on and on.

I don't agree with this list at all (I know, we all probably feel that way.)
Four Play wrote:I was curious (and bored) so I did some quick analysis. Here is everyone with 5 or more songs on the list;

Artist...............................Songs
The Beatles......................23
The Rolling Stones............14
Bob Dylan........................12
Elvis Presley.....................11
Jimi Hendrix......................7
The Beach Boys................7
Prince...............................6
U2....................................6
James Brown....................6
Sly & the Family Stone.......6
Led Zeppelin......................6
Chuck Berry......................6
Little Richard.....................5
Buddy Holly......................5
The Who...........................5
Elton John.........................5
The Clash.........................5
The Drifters......................5
Ray Charles......................5

Here are the top ten years according to the list;
Year.....Songs
1965.....35
1966.....31
1967.....27
1969.....25
1968.....24
1964.....23
1970.....22
1971.....20
1956.....20
1957.....19

Posted: December 7, 2004 10:32 am
by bananaman
I get the feeling that someone at RS thinks that music must be steadily getting worse. The eighties, nineties, and new stuff accounts for about 2 percent of all the songs on the list! Thats 25 years of music!!! Granted we have to completely ignore disco, hair bands, and 99 percent of rap, but I think a lot of great music came out of those years. :D

Posted: December 7, 2004 10:36 am
by doxadive
dancing queen is rock?

Posted: December 7, 2004 10:44 am
by Mr Play
Here is the breakdown by decade;

Decade.....Songs.......Percentage
40s...........2..............0.4%
50s...........71............14.2%
60s...........204..........40.8%
70s...........142..........28.4%
80s...........57............11.4%
90s...........21............4.2%
00s...........3..............0.6%


The only 3 songs from the 2000s are;

Year.....Song................Artist.............Rank
2000.....Stan.................Eminem........290
2002.....Lose Yourself.....Eminem........166
2003.....Hey Ya!.............Outkast.........180

Posted: December 7, 2004 10:47 am
by grags
Two Eminem and one from Outkast are all that represent the 00s? I like a great variety of music -- I would include hair bands, but bar all country (don't even go there about JB) -- but these 3 are just sad.
Four Play wrote:Here is the breakdown by decade;

Decade.....Songs.......Percentage
40s...........2..............0.4%
50s...........71............14.2%
60s...........204..........40.8%
70s...........142..........28.4%
80s...........57............11.4%
90s...........21............4.2%
00s...........3..............0.6%


The only 3 songs from the 2000s are;

Year.....Song................Artist
2000.....Stan.................Eminem
2002.....Lose Yourself.....Eminem
2003.....Hey Ya!.............Outkast

Posted: December 7, 2004 10:50 am
by bananaman
Four Play wrote:Here is the breakdown by decade;

Decade.....Songs.......Percentage
40s...........2..............0.4%
50s...........71............14.2%
60s...........204..........40.8%
70s...........142..........28.4%
80s...........57............11.4%
90s...........21............4.2%
00s...........3..............0.6%


The only 3 songs from the 2000s are;

Year.....Song................Artist
2000.....Stan.................Eminem
2002.....Lose Yourself.....Eminem
2003.....Hey Ya!.............Outkast
I stand corrected. Of course I was just estimating :wink: But 15 percent is still pretty bad for 25 years of music.

Posted: December 7, 2004 10:54 am
by bananaman
[quote="grags"]Two Eminem and one from Outkast are all that represent the 00s? I like a great variety of music -- I would include hair bands, but bar all country (don't even go there about JB) -- but these 3 are just sad.

I actually loved hair bands in the eighties. But I don't think any ground-breaking songwriting went into any of their songs. I don't listen to much top 25 stuff these days so I really have no opinion about Outkast or M&M. :D

Posted: December 7, 2004 12:52 pm
by phenwayparrothead
I have to agree with the Beatkes being overrated, I do have to wonder if they come out with a list 20 years from now will it include more from the 90's and 00's. Maybe the songs staying power made a big difference.

Posted: December 7, 2004 1:43 pm
by Jahfin
bananaman wrote:I get the feeling that someone at RS thinks that music must be steadily getting worse. The eighties, nineties, and new stuff accounts for about 2 percent of all the songs on the list! Thats 25 years of music!!! Granted we have to completely ignore disco, hair bands, and 99 percent of rap, but I think a lot of great music came out of those years. :D
I agree but whenever the 80s are looked back upon by VH1 or MTV all they seem to remember are the skinny tie new wave bands and hair metal. They tend to forget bands like U2, R.E.M., the Replacements, the Cure and Stevie Ray Vaughan who were all very popular during that time period and those are only scratching the surface.

Posted: December 7, 2004 1:49 pm
by Jahfin
doxadive wrote:dancing queen is rock?
It's the "Greatest Songs of All Time" so it's not genre specific. But if ya wanna hear a kick ass rock n' roll version of the song check out The Yayhoos' first album, Fear Not The Obvious.

http://www.bloodshotrecords.com/artists/theyayhoos