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rednekkPH wrote:I saw on the news this morning that he's on 24-hour suicide watch. How idiotic is that - god forbid he'd do the state's work for them

I think they should give him an extra belt.

ejr wrote:And yes, I know I'll get jumped on for this, and yes, I am opposed to the death penalty, but I just don't understand those that choose to celebrate executions (and I am not accusing any of you of celebrating). I served on the jury of a murder case, and yes, we did convict, and, as the jurors today said, it is not a reason to celebrate. I firmly believe that Scott Peterson is guilty, but I can only imagine how agonizingly difficult this has been for each and every one of those jurors.

Agreed... I, too am against the death penalty. We shouldn't be worried about getting "jumped on" for our feelings and conviction. I agree with Des as well... I sure as hell hope he is, in fact, guilty. I believe he is, but what if he's not? Putting to death one, single, solitary innocent person is enough reason for me to end the death penalty system altogether. No matter that I think Scott Peterson is a heinous and evil person, I want a higher power to determine his fate... not his peers.

PHBeerman wrote:All this means is that he will get his own cell.

That's unfortunate. I know I'd like to see someone in prison get their hands on him.

iuparrothead wrote:

ejr wrote:And yes, I know I'll get jumped on for this, and yes, I am opposed to the death penalty, but I just don't understand those that choose to celebrate executions (and I am not accusing any of you of celebrating). I served on the jury of a murder case, and yes, we did convict, and, as the jurors today said, it is not a reason to celebrate. I firmly believe that Scott Peterson is guilty, but I can only imagine how agonizingly difficult this has been for each and every one of those jurors.

Agreed... I, too am against the death penalty. We shouldn't be worried about getting "jumped on" for our feelings and conviction. I agree with Des as well... I sure as hell hope he is, in fact, guilty. I believe he is, but what if he's not? Putting to death one, single, solitary innocent person is enough reason for me to end the death penalty system altogether. No matter that I think Scott Peterson is a heinous and evil person, I want a higher power to determine his fate... not his peers.

Yep. Not a huge death penalty supporter here. I'd like to *wish* him dead some times, but it's not up to me to decide. But the judicial system is what it is...I doubt we'll see him put to death in my lifetime.

buffettbride wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:All this means is that he will get his own cell.

That's unfortunate. I know I'd like to see someone in prison get their hands on him.

On the other hand... I wouldn't mind if he got "roughed up" a little bit in prison either!

How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

iuparrothead wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:All this means is that he will get his own cell.

That's unfortunate. I know I'd like to see someone in prison get their hands on him.

On the other hand... I wouldn't mind if he got "roughed up" a little bit in prison either!

A punishment WORSE than death, that's for sure. But a scumbag like Peterson would probably enjoy it anyway.

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

I have no questions about why the 2 people from IL are the ones against the death penalty. IL is the Northeast of the Midwest.

PHBeerman wrote:

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

I have no questions about why the 2 people from IL are the ones against the death penalty. IL is the Northeast of the Midwest.

It's the Land of Lincoln you moron. (But I mean that in the nicest way of course).

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

And sholleran, from Illinois as well, was critical of the death penalty too.

Did you read the recent article in the Trib about the man that was executed in Texas for setting a fire that killed his 3 children? New forensic evidence disproves most of what the prosecution used to convict him. He may not have murdered his children at all.

buffettbride wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

I have no questions about why the 2 people from IL are the ones against the death penalty. IL is the Northeast of the Midwest.

It's the Land of Lincoln you moron. (But I mean that in the nicest way of course).

I am sure Lincoln is rolling over in his grave if he knows how far away from his idealology IL has gone.

PHBeerman wrote:

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

I have no questions about why the 2 people from IL are the ones against the death penalty. IL is the Northeast of the Midwest.

But, as you know, I was born and raised in Indiana...

iuparrothead wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

I have no questions about why the 2 people from IL are the ones against the death penalty. IL is the Northeast of the Midwest.

But, as you know, I was born and raised in Indiana...

Where even the Democrats are Republicans.

PHBeerman wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

I have no questions about why the 2 people from IL are the ones against the death penalty. IL is the Northeast of the Midwest.

It's the Land of Lincoln you moron. (But I mean that in the nicest way of course).

I am sure Lincoln is rolling over in his grave if he knows how far away from his idealology IL has gone.

But Abe Lincoln would not have wanted an innocent person put to death because of sketchy, circumstantial or non-credible evidence... and just on the perception that he/she is a bad person.

iuparrothead wrote:

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

And sholleran, from Illinois as well, was critical of the death penalty too.

Did you read the recent article in the Trib about the man that was executed in Texas for setting a fire that killed his 3 children? New forensic evidence disproves most of what the prosecution used to convict him. He may not have murdered his children at all.

That is sad however the man was convicted using the forensic evidence available at that time. Yes the possiblility of executing a few innocent people will always be an issue. You can't just hold a person in limbo forever considering that a new and better way of proving their case will be forthcoming. I believe that there are more guilty people on death row than innocent. To hear inmates talk if you believed them all the prisons are full of innocent people. I just can't buy that. I believe in the death penalty. I have been close to a couple of people that were murdered. To see their killer(s) live even thou in prison while the victims life has been cut short is nothing but a slap in the face to those of us left behind.

buffettbride wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:

PHBeerman wrote:

ejr wrote:How interesting that 2 of us in Illinois have all spoken about our concerns about the death penalty---what has happened in this state should show how flawed this system is.

as for circumstantial---think about it. Most cases are circumstantial. Research is clearly showing that witnesses generally are unreliable. ANd realistically, how likely are you to have a witness in a murder case???? Of course it's circumstantial--that does not make the evidence bad.

I have no questions about why the 2 people from IL are the ones against the death penalty. IL is the Northeast of the Midwest.

But, as you know, I was born and raised in Indiana...

Where even the Democrats are Republicans.

Yep! And where they have a Senator that should have been the Democratic candidate for the 2004 election. (Evan Bayh) But the way-far-left leaders of the DNC treat him like a lower class party member and don't consider him a elite enough to lead their party... yet, he would have connected with the middle-of-the-road voter far better than Kerry ever did.

Okay, what did that have to do with the death penalty, I know....

ph4ever wrote:That is sad however the man was convicted using the forensic evidence available at that time. Yes the possiblility of executing a few innocent people will always be an issue. You can't just hold a person in limbo forever considering that a new and better way of proving their case will be forthcoming. I believe that there are more guilty people on death row than innocent. To hear inmates talk if you believed them all the prisons are full of innocent people. I just can't buy that. I believe in the death penalty. I have been close to a couple of people that were murdered. To see their killer(s) live even thou in prison while the victims life has been cut short is nothing but a slap in the face to those of us left behind.

Sure, that's fair to feel that way. I can't say anything to change your mind, nor do I want to. I just feel that if one innocent person had been put to death than it discredits the whole system. No innocent person should ever die at the hands of the state, simply to maintain the penal system in an attempt to deter crime.

Many of the family members who lost people in the Oklahoma City bombing, expressed that they felt no resolution or closure after Timothy McVeigh's execution. His death brought them no peace after all.

iuparrothead wrote:

ph4ever wrote:That is sad however the man was convicted using the forensic evidence available at that time. Yes the possiblility of executing a few innocent people will always be an issue. You can't just hold a person in limbo forever considering that a new and better way of proving their case will be forthcoming. I believe that there are more guilty people on death row than innocent. To hear inmates talk if you believed them all the prisons are full of innocent people. I just can't buy that. I believe in the death penalty. I have been close to a couple of people that were murdered. To see their killer(s) live even thou in prison while the victims life has been cut short is nothing but a slap in the face to those of us left behind.

Sure, that's fair to feel that way. I can't say anything to change your mind, nor do I want to. I just feel that if one innocent person had been put to death than it discredits the whole system. No innocent person should ever die at the hands of the state, simply to maintain the penal system in an attempt to deter crime.

Many of the family members who lost people in the Oklahoma City bombing, expressed that they felt no resolution or closure after Timothy McVeigh's execution. His death brought them no peace after all.

But saved us the taxpayers a few bucks.............

I'm a strong advocate of the death penalty. However, it's not because I think it's a deterrent or that it brings "closure" to those affected by the crime. I'm an advocate of the death penalty because I feel that by committing certain heinous crimes, the perpetrator simply forfeits his or her right to exist.

iuparrothead wrote:

ph4ever wrote:That is sad however the man was convicted using the forensic evidence available at that time. Yes the possiblility of executing a few innocent people will always be an issue. You can't just hold a person in limbo forever considering that a new and better way of proving their case will be forthcoming. I believe that there are more guilty people on death row than innocent. To hear inmates talk if you believed them all the prisons are full of innocent people. I just can't buy that. I believe in the death penalty. I have been close to a couple of people that were murdered. To see their killer(s) live even thou in prison while the victims life has been cut short is nothing but a slap in the face to those of us left behind.

Sure, that's fair to feel that way. I can't say anything to change your mind, nor do I want to. I just feel that if one innocent person had been put to death than it discredits the whole system. No innocent person should ever die at the hands of the state, simply to maintain the penal system in an attempt to deter crime.

Many of the family members who lost people in the Oklahoma City bombing, expressed that they felt no resolution or closure after Timothy McVeigh's execution. His death brought them no peace after all.

You're using one instance as an arguement for your point. Sometimes the victims families feel peace sometimes they don't. I have an old friend who was at the execution of his brother's killer. He received peace as did the rest of the family and many in the community. His brother was a slain police officer. My son's second cousins were murdered by their grandson earlier this fall and last I heard the prosecutor was considering seeking the death penalty. I can see both sides of the issue - in this case the family has already lost 2 members and is facing loosing a third. One can continue the debate based on the pros and cons of execution until they are old and grey based sloly on closure and peace for the victim's family.

The fact is that execution has been an acceptable form of punishment for crimes since biblical times. Some people are going to be for it - some against it. If you are against it then you should work with groups that are against it in attempt to change the laws of your state. Just the same as anyone that is pro execution should work with their apporporate groups to change/keep their laws.