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Posted: December 30, 2004 9:23 am
by MelliJellyBean
Sam wrote:Death toll is NOW estimated at over 115,000.........it probably will still climb.

I don't think there is anyway to accurately count the actual numbers in tragedies and devastation like this....not that it matters...


Still no word about my friend and his wife that are from South Africa. I am not sure they were there..but I know they were leaving to go to Thailand.
I have a friend from Thailand but I don't know if he may have went home to visit family for the holiday or not. I hope he's ok.

Posted: December 30, 2004 9:32 am
by Sam
I will keep him in my prayers and for his safety.

I just found a friend from Germany lost 2 friends in Sri Lanka. :-(
He said they were youngsters, rucksack tourists...individual travelers.

Posted: December 30, 2004 10:26 am
by Parrot Monkey
This is just disturbing. :cry: Everytime you check the news or the net, the death toll is larger and larger.

I can't believe all the deaths and disasters that 2004 has braught. 4 Hurricanes, now this! :cry:

Here's hoping for a disaster free 2005...

Posted: December 30, 2004 1:53 pm
by Sam
Parrot Monkey wrote:This is just disturbing. :cry: Everytime you check the news or the net, the death toll is larger and larger.

I can't believe all the deaths and disasters that 2004 has braught. 4 Hurricanes, now this! :cry:

Here's hoping for a disaster free 2005...


Yes it is most disturbing!!!

Expect the death toll to climb higher... and remember the areas we are looking at... they are not America. Alot of the areas involved are for lack of a better term rural and that thousands of people were vacationing in those places.It is summer there. I have no idea how long bodies will be found or even where.It will probably be years with many never found.
People are going to die from injuries and from diseases being spread by the decompositon and bad water.... not being able to get proper medical treatment. Unfortunately, many of families and the survivors will never have closure. The bodies must be buried or disposed quickly, due to the exposure to the sun and heat and water... predation, to unpleasant things we do NOT want to think about or even know about.

Posted: December 30, 2004 2:00 pm
by rednekkPH
I caught the end of a story on the morning news today about how they are not finding many animals that were in the wave's path. Something about the animals sensing the danger long before it happenned and heading to higher ground. Interesting, but sad that the animals do a better job than our technology...

Posted: December 30, 2004 2:58 pm
by creeky
rednekkPH wrote:I caught the end of a story on the morning news today about how they are not finding many animals that were in the wave's path. Something about the animals sensing the danger long before it happenned and heading to higher ground. Interesting, but sad that the animals do a better job than our technology...
When we had our earthquake in 1989 - my mother had a cat - and it was acting all weird before the quake struck - and was hiding under a bed etc - they have have some sort of sense that these things are happening.

Death toll now 125000 and rising - outside organisations are not allowed in to some parts of India ...... so who knows the real magnitude of this...

Posted: December 30, 2004 3:14 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
creeky wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:I caught the end of a story on the morning news today about how they are not finding many animals that were in the wave's path. Something about the animals sensing the danger long before it happenned and heading to higher ground. Interesting, but sad that the animals do a better job than our technology...
When we had our earthquake in 1989 - my mother had a cat - and it was acting all weird before the quake struck - and was hiding under a bed etc - they have have some sort of sense that these things are happening
In 1996, Hurricane Bertha came ashore in NC. It was still a Tropical Storm when it went over our house in southeastern Virginia. All of a sudden, the cat went berserk. She was completely terrified, running around like crazy and literally trying to climb the walls. We all got in the middle of the house and sure enough, five minutes later a tornado touched down a block away and ripped up the neighborhood. Animals definitely have a sense about things.

Posted: December 30, 2004 3:30 pm
by Sam
Can vouch for aninmals sensing things had a tornado hit right after I had left for work.mom and Dad said Cat was going ballistic and they heard what sounded like a freight train and then the tree came down on the trailer....

another thing I have not heard about this in quite a while but there was a scientist studying the phenonmenae of animals and also insects and their reactions to such. I am not sure if it is the same scientist but one was studing cockroaches to see if they could be useful in predicting such.

The study said it may be the frequency that tornadoes produce...that perhaps the insects detect it or feel it or some such,...another had to do with sound and pitches of noise or perhaps scent, something that animals have much keener hearing and smell, than humans could detect.

Take your choice, maybe it is something else all together .such as electromagnetic disturbances or something else....I have no idea and apparently none have found out anything conclusive.

Posted: December 30, 2004 6:59 pm
by MelliJellyBean
NBC News just said that the 28 million has been given to the Red Cross in the past few days and UNICEF has had more donations in the past two days then it did all of last year.

I gave $10 to the Red Cross...it's all I can afford at the moment, but could you imagine if everyone gave $10???

Posted: December 30, 2004 7:07 pm
by creeky
MelliJellyBean wrote:NBC News just said that the 28 million has been given to the Red Cross in the past few days and UNICEF has had more donations in the past two days then it did all of last year.

I gave $10 to the Red Cross...it's all I can afford at the moment, but could you imagine if everyone gave $10???
I think 32Billion has been pledged world wide.

Unfortunately - it takes a few days for them to get the cash - they need it now - but nothing we can do.

If everyone in the western world donated even 2.00 it would be a HUGE effort!

Posted: December 30, 2004 9:58 pm
by bananaman
I am in NO WAY trying to discount the seriousness of what has happened in Indonesia. Huge loss of life, devastated nations, and each news report seems to add more bad news. But in the grand scheme of things, it's not the end of the world. For example, I Googled "Top 10 Worst Natural Disasters" and came up with some pretty grim results. I'm not even sure this latest disaster would even make it in the top 20. As recently as the 50's there were more than one million people killed in China as the result of flooding. And if I recall, tsunamis are responsible for quite a few disasters worldwide. Some of the results are conflicting but it looks like earthquake/volcano eruptions hold the top spot, followed closely by typhoons and tsunamis. The Bubonic plague took out 1/3 of the population of Europe (although some don't consider this a "natural disaster")

I guess my point is.....as bad as it looks, it can be and has been MUCH worse. My prayers still go out to all the people impacted by this and I am once again reminded of just how fortunate I am.

Posted: December 30, 2004 10:02 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
if you go to http://www.digitalglobe.com there are some pretty awesome overhead pictures of the damage. :-? :o :(

Posted: December 30, 2004 10:18 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
Good God........ :o :( :o :(

The pictures are too big to post, but they show devastation as bad or worse than any hurricane I've ever seen, and with zero warning.

Banda Aceh (Indonesia) Northern Shore (Before Tsunami):
http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/tsun ... 004_dg.jpg

Banda Aceh Northern Shore (After Tsunami):
http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/tsun ... 004_dg.jpg

Posted: December 30, 2004 10:23 pm
by tikitatas
Mercy.

Posted: December 31, 2004 11:47 am
by Sam
On the day this terrible event occured, I was in the supermarket getting food items and I stopped to look at books. I don't know if any of you read military fiction or ever heard of the author Stephen Coonts. Many of you may have saw or read Flight of the Intruder among others he has written.

I found one of his novels in paperback called Deep Black Dark Zone....It is a work of fiction about a missing nuclear warhead and terrs are going to use it to........set off an underwater explosion to cause worldwide disaster.....I have not read the book as of yet... no time.

But it is ironic, (to me anyways) that I picked that book up on such a day.Yes I bought it.

Posted: December 31, 2004 12:42 pm
by jollymon345
Everyday I read more stories and this just gets worse and worse everyday. I found these pictures and I am not exactly positive where they are from but best I can find out is that they are from on of the islands in Indonesia.

Before the Tsunami
Image

After the Tsunami
Image

Kind of makes you wonder how anybody survived and makes you really respect nature.

Posted: December 31, 2004 1:30 pm
by buffettbride
My dear GOD jollymon!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:

Posted: December 31, 2004 5:58 pm
by creeky
They had a series of photos of before and after in todays paper here .. its all so tragic.

I know our new years eve outdoor events (cause it is summer, most is outdoors) were turned in to major fundraisers - with major charities walking around collecting money in charity tins.

IT was kinda subdued out there last night for the festivities ..... it didnt seem right and I know as it struck midnight here - I spared a thought for all those people that will not be seeing 2005.

Aussies missing has gone from 10 to 41 they hold grave fears over and another 1250 missing ...... dear god ... :cry: :cry:

Posted: January 2, 2005 4:11 am
by Sam
Has anyone heard any word of people from South Africa? I still have no word from my friend and his wife.

Anyway I saw this article and I find it saddening that a goverment abuses it's own people like this. I posted elsewhere that showing up with too few supplies would cause problems. It is a very sad situation and that term does not even come close to describing the actuality or the reality of it. The numbers of the dead and wounded and injured are in all reality inconceivable!

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story. ... tm&sc=1104

Thai Tsunami Victims Balk at Treatment

By ALISA TANG

BAN NAM KHEM, Thailand (AP) - While foreign survivors of the ocean's onslaught were put up in an international school complete with beds, TVs and Internet connections, Thais from a devastated fishing village slept outside, many without blankets, burning wood to keep warm and keep mosquitos at bay.

The locals said Friday that they are torn between wanting to help the foreigners, who are the lifeblood of the area's economy, and getting what they can from the relief effort.

``No one came to help, we just helped each other out,'' said 65-year-old Yokhin Chuaynui, whose home in Ban Nam Khem was destroyed. ``When injured Thais went to the hospital, if they weren't about to die they helped the Westerners first.''

The contrast is sharpest in Thailand, where wealthy tourist resorts brush up against shanty fishing villages, but all around the Indian Ocean there have been reports of local people feeling ignored or insulted by the meager aid that has trickled to them since Sunday.


Shortly after the seawater subsided from exclusive resorts and palm-fringed beaches of southern Thailand, authorities began setting up makeshift embassies, providing free phones and food to tourists. Hotels and an international school that survived relatively unscathed opened their doors to shellshocked tourists, while foreign governments provided evacuation flights.


But Wimol Thongthae said there was no help at all the first day in Ban Nam Khem, where he said more than 2,000 people - half the village - had disappeared. Eight of his 15 family members remain missing - including his 3-year-old daughter.


``I'm living without hope and have not received any assistance,'' he said.


Deputy Agriculture Minister Newin Chidchob, overseeing the rescue effort at Ban Nam Khem, insisted the government had not ignored their plight.


``We do not abandon them. Everybody has tried their best,'' he said as authorities pumped water out of streets. ``If it is not fast enough in the villagers' eyes, it just could not be helped because the situation is so severe.''


In Sri Lanka, some people complained that helicopters that could have brought supplies to devastated villages instead were used to rescue high-profile survivors.


One early flight evacuated former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and his entourage, who were vacationing in southern Sri Lanka.


In India, survivors complained of feeling insulted by piles of secondhand clothes dumped at roadsides for them.


At a makeshift relief camp for women inside a marriage hall in the southern coastal city of Nagappattinam, refugees grumbled about the perceived condescending attitude of relief workers.


The city was hit hardest by the wall of water, accounting for more than half of India's official death toll of more than 7,700 people.


``We have been insulted so much that we don't want any aid from anybody,'' said 35-year-old Lakshimi, who goes by only one name. ``We are prepared to die.


``They bring food for a few hundred people to a place where thousands of people are sheltered. They bring too few clothes, too little milk, which results in a melee. We have never looked for alms from anybody, now we have been reduced to beggars.''


In Ban Nam Khem, fishing boats were dumped a quarter-mile inland by the waves. They are still there in the middle of town and the stench of dead bodies rotting inside is overpowering.


``The government gave more importance to Khao Lak and other tourist areas ... because this area is full of poor people,'' said provincial Sen. Wongphan Natakuathung.


Robert Eunson, 52, from Yorkshire, northern England, said that ``the greatest need should be given the greatest care,'' but he acknowledged there was an element of self-interest in Thai authorities' rush to help foreigners.


``Tourism is so important to them so it's a hierarchy,'' he said.


Jeanette Dombrowe, 32, a German native who has lived for years on the Thai island of Koh Payam, agreed.


``The villagers are second-class victims, but if we don't look after the Westerners the nation could lose its tourism - so the villagers have to understand,'' she said.