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LIPH wrote:I think it's interesting how baseball people are saying they don't believe Canseco but none of the players he named have threatened him with a lawsuit. If he's lying about them in the book, that's libel. If he was lying in the 60 Minutes interview, that's slander.

60 minutes also asked Mac to come on the show but denied. Doesn't mean much but still an interesting bit of info.

captainjoe wrote:

LIPH wrote:I think it's interesting how baseball people are saying they don't believe Canseco but none of the players he named have threatened him with a lawsuit. If he's lying about them in the book, that's libel. If he was lying in the 60 Minutes interview, that's slander.

People said the same thing about Michael Moore

...and it is no less true.
A lot of people would rather stick their heads in the sand about both of these characters... but it doesn't make their accounts any less true.

Not saying that what Conseco is saying is not true but didn't he go through a nasty split with his wife? I am sure he needs money and what better way to get by writing a tell all. What good will come of this, if any?

LIPH - since your a lawyer, and since Canseco has admitted to drug use, is there anyway he could get in trouble with the law?

no doubt money was a motive for Canseco coming forward with this but he probably also felt that since he was banished from the game because of steroids why not bring everyone down. I say good for him

I believe his allegations about certain players... whether or not he physically injected some of them... I'm skeptical. But I'm sure he knows better than anyone who else was taking 'roids and who wasn't.

captainjoe wrote:LIPH - since your a lawyer, and since Canseco has admitted to drug use, is there anyway he could get in trouble with the law?

Probably not. I didn't see 60 Minutes last night so I don't know what years he was talking about but I bet he waited, on advice of counsel, until the statute of limitations was up so he wouldn't be indicted.

When Canseco and many of those he alleges were using steroids, it wasn't against the rules to do so in MLB.

Wrap up, Canseco is clinging to his 15th minute, this too shall pass. As a kid who grew up in the pressbox at Wrigley,(grandad was buddies with dick enright) I gotta wish the little bears well, but let's be honest, with the exception of an aging outfield, the Giants are the cream of the NL.

FFishstick wrote:Wrap up, Canseco is clinging to his 15th minute, this too shall pass. As a kid who grew up in the pressbox at Wrigley,(grandad was buddies with dick enright) I gotta wish the little bears well, but let's be honest, with the exception of an aging outfield, the Giants are the cream of the NL.

Unfortunatly I don't think the steroid issue will pass, this may just be the beginning.

I like the Marlins in the NL.

captainjoe wrote: But I do think this: Just because a player is on steroids, that does not mean that he will hit homeruns all the time. The player still has to have the skill to, you know, hit the ball!

By the time a player reaches the major's he can do 1 of three things. 1 consistantly hit the ball. 2. catch the ball most others cannot. 3. pitch the ball.

If a player has normal warning track power...a little juice can make those 2nd or 3rd row HR's.

I will repeat...the players use of roids is only the tip of the iceberg. The true scandel will be who knew about their useage and why nothig was said until a couple of players came forth. Would Canseco write this book if Camaniti didn't speak up? I refuse to believe that owners, GM's, Agents, managers/coaches, media types all had no clue. Truth is they were all ca$hing in on the use of steroids. Players put up numbers that provided them with big contrcts, agents collected their percentage, owners saw an increase in attendence and corporate sponsorship, media sold airtime/newspapers/advertising. The ugliest part of this entire thing is going to surface soon. That baseball, as a whole, knew about it and turned a deaf ear....all for a buck.

Agreed Crusty. The person I'm most skeptical of right now is Tony LaRussa... for exactly the reasons you just listed... but he claims he witnessed McGuire add all those pounds of muscle from hard work and a careful diet.

You have to remember one thing about Tony LaRussa, he's a lawyer. He's choosing his words very carefully.

LIPH wrote:You have to remember one thing about Tony LaRussa, he's a lawyer. He's choosing his words very carefully.

Oh, I know that... and he speaks fluent Spanish... quite a valuable commodity in baseball!

iuparrothead wrote:Agreed Crusty. The person I'm most skeptical of right now is Tony LaRussa... for exactly the reasons you just listed... but he claims he witnessed McGuire add all those pounds of muscle from hard work and a careful diet.

Hard work, diet and the Andro he kept in his locker. La Russa is lying through his teeth. This past weekend I watched a replay of Game 1 of the 1988 World Series. Conseco and McGuire were not the only juiced players on that Oakland team. The only player who looked like he worked out and did it naturally was Ricky Henderson. However, Dave Henderson, Ron Hassey, Carney Lansford, Walt Weiss all looked unusually large. A few of the Dadgers looked to be suspect as well. Mike Davis, Mike Marchall & Franklin Stubbs seemed a bit "Extra fit".

But LaRussa is not alone. Baseball people know their players extremely well and to not know about this is downright silly and absurd

La Russa like many other mangagers figured if they played stupid they could get away with it

RAGTOP wrote:La Russa like many other mangagers figured if they played stupid they could get away with it

BINGO!

iuparrothead wrote:When Canseco and many of those he alleges were using steroids, it wasn't against the rules to do so in MLB.

it wasn't against the rules of MLB but it still was a illegal substance / drug. it's like marijuna illegal but people still do it.if one person is doing it for a advantage most others will follow.it will be intresting this season to see if any of the players mentioned and still playing stopped taking steroids.the numbers should reflect it.also, if anyone knows the answer. how long does it take for steroids to get out of your system from when you last took it?

iuparrothead wrote:When Canseco and many of those he alleges were using steroids, it wasn't against the rules to do so in MLB.

This arguement has always bothered me.

No, it was not against the rules in baseball.
YES, it was illegal in the United States of America!!!

Being a baseball player does not exempt you from the laws....so unless they were doing it in Montreal or Toronto only, it was against the rules!!!!1

I caught the end of the Jim Rome show yesterday and they had on Tony LaRussa. This guy is pathetically trying to save his own a$$ right now. He basically called Canseco a lyer and said he new for a fact that McGwire didn't use roids because he saw him workout everyday . Big deal you still need to workout if you use steroids, does he think that you can shoot this stuff up and sit on the couch eating chips and you magically get bigger. He's going down with the ship