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Posted: March 24, 2005 12:16 am
by FFishstick
Still ROFLMAO

Posted: March 24, 2005 12:17 am
by DonnaKayDunbar
FFishstick wrote:Still ROFLMAO
You ok down there?

Posted: March 24, 2005 12:22 am
by Key Lime Lee
FFishstick wrote:Still ROFLMAO
It's like any other close-knit group... if you ruffle feathers before folks know you, they respond. But once you settle in, it's an amazing bunch.

One time a bunch of 'em chipped in and flew me to a concert. Pretty remarkable considering most of them I hadn't met.

Just the other day a BNer I'd never met in person and I managed to do some business together. We met for the first time when we pulled it off.

And it's because of another BNer that I have the contacts and connections I do now...

Posted: March 24, 2005 5:43 am
by a1aara
PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
March 23, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
202.466.3234 telephone
202.466.2587 fax
www.au.org


AMERICANS UNITED BLASTS CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS' PROMISE TO
PUSH RELIGIOUS RIGHT AGENDA

In Closed-Door Briefings, Frist, DeLay Cement Ties With
Religious Right On Schiavo Case, Judges, Abortion, Marriage,
Church Politicking, Ethics Complaints

Top congressional leaders have promised to push the
Religious Right agenda on judicial nominations, church
politicking, abortion, marriage and the Terri Schiavo case,
according to Americans United for Separation of Church and
State.

Americans United today released audiotapes of closed-door
addresses by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House
Majority Leader Tom DeLay to a Family Research Council (FRC)
gathering March 17-18 at Washington, D.C.'s Willard Hotel.
The pair talked about a range of political issues, using the
Schiavo case as a springboard.

"Religious Right leaders are determined to run all of our
lives, from the moment of conception through the end of
life," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United
executive director. "And top congressional leaders are
conspiring behind closed doors in Washington to help them do
it. It's appalling.

"Frist and DeLay have wrapped sanctimonious language around
political posturing," said Lynn. "They are using Mrs.
Schiavo's personal tragedy in Florida to burnish their
credentials with an increasingly powerful component of the
Republican Party. It's a sad, cynical political ploy."

Mrs. Schiavo, a Florida woman, has been in a persistent
vegetative state for 15 years. Her husband, Michael Schiavo,
has fought a long legal battle to remove her feeding tube.
Religious Right forces and their allies in Congress and
Florida government have repeatedly tried to intervene in the
situation, despite medical advice and court decisions that
support Mr. Schiavo.

During the FRC meeting, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
(R-Tenn.) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas)
assured attendees that they would do what it takes to keep
Schiavo connected to a feeding tube and also would exert
great power to push a whole host of issues central to the
Religious Right's agenda.

DeLay urged the gathering to contact lawmakers in both
chambers to support legislation that would allow churches to
become much more involved in partisan politicking. The
Texas Republican blasted current federal tax law, which bars
both secular and religious nonprofit groups from endorsing
political candidates.

"It forces Christians back into the church and that's what
is going on," DeLay claimed. "That's not what Christ asked
us to do. We have to fight back."

Beyond swearing allegiance to the Religious Right's agenda,
DeLay, who has faced increased attention for alleged ethics
violations, also bemoaned "personal attacks" against him and
other conservative leaders and said the Schiavo case would
highlight those attacks.

"One thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo, to
help elevate the visibility of what is going on in America,"
DeLay told the crowd.

"This is exactly the issue that is going on in America, of
attacks against the conservative movement, against me and
against many others," DeLay said. He
complained that "the other side" was leading the attack,
with a goal "to defeat the conservative movement."

According to DeLay, a "whole syndicate" of "do-gooder"
forces are arrayed against him in "a huge nationwide
concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in."

FRC President Tony Perkins assured DeLay of the group's
support and asked audience members to contact Republican
lawmakers and demand that they back the House majority
leader.

Americans United's Lynn said, "It is dishonorable for Rep.
DeLay to use the Schiavo case and cloak himself in Christian
piety in order to evade accountability on ethics
complaints."

Frist also told the FRC attendees that he was dedicated to
issues dear to their hearts.

"You stand up for our families, our children, you never back
down," Frist told the gathering via speakerphone. "That's
why we are winning these larger battles today. Together we
are leading our nation forward. We have a president, a House
of Representatives, a Senate that shares our values and the
American people are on our side.

"In this Congress we are going to continue to work on the
issues that are important to you, to me and above all,
America's future," Frist continued.

Those issues include, Frist maintained, the confirmation of
"good judges," protecting the "sanctity of marriage" and
protecting "the unborn." He said, "I'm also committed to
ending the [Senate Democratic] minority's filibuster [on
judges] and restoring this 220 years or more of Senate
tradition and history."

Frist was particularly adamant about fighting for a Federal
Marriage Amendment, saying that, "We will take action to
preserve and protect and defend the sanctity of marriage
between a man and a woman."

Americans United's Lynn said the comments by DeLay and Frist
prove that Congress is beholden to the Religious Right's
narrow vision for America.

"I find it appalling that top leaders of Congress are using
the Schiavo tragedy to nurture their Religious Right base,"
Lynn said. "I am confident that the American people do not
want their personal lives subjected to interference from
Congress and their Religious Right allies."

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based
in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization
educates Americans about the importance of church-state
separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

________________________________________________________________________

LISTEN NOW at www.au.org
Beth Corbin
National Field Director
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
518 C Street, NE
Washington, DC 20002
PH: 202-466-3234
FAX: 202-466-2587
corbin@au.org
AUcorbin@aol.com
www.au.org

Posted: March 24, 2005 7:43 am
by ejr
Just as a reminder of how quick life can change...yesterday I got word about a tragedy for a professional acquaintance of mine (he is President of my professional association). He, his wife and another couple are in Florida vacationing. Sunday night they were involved in a car accident; the vehicle they were in rolled over. My acquaintance walked away with few injuries, but his wife has massive brain damage, multiple fractures, and is critical condition in a drug-induced coma, probably not expected to survive.

Life is fleeting---treasure it, and be prepared!!!

Posted: March 24, 2005 7:51 am
by ph4ever
ejr wrote:Just as a reminder of how quick life can change...yesterday I got word about a tragedy for a professional acquaintance of mine (he is President of my professional association). He, his wife and another couple are in Florida vacationing. Sunday night they were involved in a car accident; the vehicle they were in rolled over. My acquaintance walked away with few injuries, but his wife has massive brain damage, multiple fractures, and is critical condition in a drug-induced coma, probably not expected to survive.

Life is fleeting---treasure it, and be prepared!!!

Sorry to hear about your acquaintance's wife. Life is short. You never know when you'll get a phone call that will change your life. I know - going thru it myself.

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:08 am
by PHBeerman
Key Lime Lee wrote:I still think it's one of the friendliest groups around...
Shut up Hippie. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



I think that most are pretty cool myself.

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:11 am
by PHBeerman
a1aara wrote:PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
March 23, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
202.466.3234 telephone
202.466.2587 fax
www.au.org


AMERICANS UNITED BLASTS CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS' PROMISE TO
PUSH RELIGIOUS RIGHT AGENDA

In Closed-Door Briefings, Frist, DeLay Cement Ties With
Religious Right On Schiavo Case, Judges, Abortion, Marriage,
Church Politicking, Ethics Complaints

Top congressional leaders have promised to push the
Religious Right agenda on judicial nominations, church
politicking, abortion, marriage and the Terri Schiavo case,
according to Americans United for Separation of Church and
State.

Americans United today released audiotapes of closed-door
addresses by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House
Majority Leader Tom DeLay to a Family Research Council (FRC)
gathering March 17-18 at Washington, D.C.'s Willard Hotel.
The pair talked about a range of political issues, using the
Schiavo case as a springboard.

"Religious Right leaders are determined to run all of our
lives, from the moment of conception through the end of
life," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United
executive director. "And top congressional leaders are
conspiring behind closed doors in Washington to help them do
it. It's appalling.

"Frist and DeLay have wrapped sanctimonious language around
political posturing," said Lynn. "They are using Mrs.
Schiavo's personal tragedy in Florida to burnish their
credentials with an increasingly powerful component of the
Republican Party. It's a sad, cynical political ploy."

Mrs. Schiavo, a Florida woman, has been in a persistent
vegetative state for 15 years. Her husband, Michael Schiavo,
has fought a long legal battle to remove her feeding tube.
Religious Right forces and their allies in Congress and
Florida government have repeatedly tried to intervene in the
situation, despite medical advice and court decisions that
support Mr. Schiavo.

During the FRC meeting, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
(R-Tenn.) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas)
assured attendees that they would do what it takes to keep
Schiavo connected to a feeding tube and also would exert
great power to push a whole host of issues central to the
Religious Right's agenda.

DeLay urged the gathering to contact lawmakers in both
chambers to support legislation that would allow churches to
become much more involved in partisan politicking. The
Texas Republican blasted current federal tax law, which bars
both secular and religious nonprofit groups from endorsing
political candidates.

"It forces Christians back into the church and that's what
is going on," DeLay claimed. "That's not what Christ asked
us to do. We have to fight back."

Beyond swearing allegiance to the Religious Right's agenda,
DeLay, who has faced increased attention for alleged ethics
violations, also bemoaned "personal attacks" against him and
other conservative leaders and said the Schiavo case would
highlight those attacks.

"One thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo, to
help elevate the visibility of what is going on in America,"
DeLay told the crowd.

"This is exactly the issue that is going on in America, of
attacks against the conservative movement, against me and
against many others," DeLay said. He
complained that "the other side" was leading the attack,
with a goal "to defeat the conservative movement."

According to DeLay, a "whole syndicate" of "do-gooder"
forces are arrayed against him in "a huge nationwide
concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in."

FRC President Tony Perkins assured DeLay of the group's
support and asked audience members to contact Republican
lawmakers and demand that they back the House majority
leader.

Americans United's Lynn said, "It is dishonorable for Rep.
DeLay to use the Schiavo case and cloak himself in Christian
piety in order to evade accountability on ethics
complaints."

Frist also told the FRC attendees that he was dedicated to
issues dear to their hearts.

"You stand up for our families, our children, you never back
down," Frist told the gathering via speakerphone. "That's
why we are winning these larger battles today. Together we
are leading our nation forward. We have a president, a House
of Representatives, a Senate that shares our values and the
American people are on our side.

"In this Congress we are going to continue to work on the
issues that are important to you, to me and above all,
America's future," Frist continued.

Those issues include, Frist maintained, the confirmation of
"good judges," protecting the "sanctity of marriage" and
protecting "the unborn." He said, "I'm also committed to
ending the [Senate Democratic] minority's filibuster [on
judges] and restoring this 220 years or more of Senate
tradition and history."

Frist was particularly adamant about fighting for a Federal
Marriage Amendment, saying that, "We will take action to
preserve and protect and defend the sanctity of marriage
between a man and a woman."

Americans United's Lynn said the comments by DeLay and Frist
prove that Congress is beholden to the Religious Right's
narrow vision for America.

"I find it appalling that top leaders of Congress are using
the Schiavo tragedy to nurture their Religious Right base,"
Lynn said. "I am confident that the American people do not
want their personal lives subjected to interference from
Congress and their Religious Right allies."

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based
in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization
educates Americans about the importance of church-state
separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

________________________________________________________________________

LISTEN NOW at www.au.org
Beth Corbin
National Field Director
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
518 C Street, NE
Washington, DC 20002
PH: 202-466-3234
FAX: 202-466-2587
corbin@au.org
AUcorbin@aol.com
www.au.org


BLAH BLAH BLAH. Typical Jahaar1a post. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:16 am
by rednekkPH
Key Lime Lee wrote:I still think it's one of the friendliest groups around...
I agree wholeheartedly, however with the caveat that you get out of it what put into it. If someone comes running in acting like a complete a$$, they best expect to be treated as such.

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:19 am
by a1aara
PHBeerman wrote:
a1aara wrote:PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE ** PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
March 23, 2005

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Rob Boston or Jeremy Leaming
202.466.3234 telephone
202.466.2587 fax
www.au.org


AMERICANS UNITED BLASTS CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS' PROMISE TO
PUSH RELIGIOUS RIGHT AGENDA

In Closed-Door Briefings, Frist, DeLay Cement Ties With
Religious Right On Schiavo Case, Judges, Abortion, Marriage,
Church Politicking, Ethics Complaints

Top congressional leaders have promised to push the
Religious Right agenda on judicial nominations, church
politicking, abortion, marriage and the Terri Schiavo case,
according to Americans United for Separation of Church and
State.

Americans United today released audiotapes of closed-door
addresses by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House
Majority Leader Tom DeLay to a Family Research Council (FRC)
gathering March 17-18 at Washington, D.C.'s Willard Hotel.
The pair talked about a range of political issues, using the
Schiavo case as a springboard.

"Religious Right leaders are determined to run all of our
lives, from the moment of conception through the end of
life," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United
executive director. "And top congressional leaders are
conspiring behind closed doors in Washington to help them do
it. It's appalling.

"Frist and DeLay have wrapped sanctimonious language around
political posturing," said Lynn. "They are using Mrs.
Schiavo's personal tragedy in Florida to burnish their
credentials with an increasingly powerful component of the
Republican Party. It's a sad, cynical political ploy."

Mrs. Schiavo, a Florida woman, has been in a persistent
vegetative state for 15 years. Her husband, Michael Schiavo,
has fought a long legal battle to remove her feeding tube.
Religious Right forces and their allies in Congress and
Florida government have repeatedly tried to intervene in the
situation, despite medical advice and court decisions that
support Mr. Schiavo.

During the FRC meeting, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
(R-Tenn.) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas)
assured attendees that they would do what it takes to keep
Schiavo connected to a feeding tube and also would exert
great power to push a whole host of issues central to the
Religious Right's agenda.

DeLay urged the gathering to contact lawmakers in both
chambers to support legislation that would allow churches to
become much more involved in partisan politicking. The
Texas Republican blasted current federal tax law, which bars
both secular and religious nonprofit groups from endorsing
political candidates.

"It forces Christians back into the church and that's what
is going on," DeLay claimed. "That's not what Christ asked
us to do. We have to fight back."

Beyond swearing allegiance to the Religious Right's agenda,
DeLay, who has faced increased attention for alleged ethics
violations, also bemoaned "personal attacks" against him and
other conservative leaders and said the Schiavo case would
highlight those attacks.

"One thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo, to
help elevate the visibility of what is going on in America,"
DeLay told the crowd.

"This is exactly the issue that is going on in America, of
attacks against the conservative movement, against me and
against many others," DeLay said. He
complained that "the other side" was leading the attack,
with a goal "to defeat the conservative movement."

According to DeLay, a "whole syndicate" of "do-gooder"
forces are arrayed against him in "a huge nationwide
concerted effort to destroy everything we believe in."

FRC President Tony Perkins assured DeLay of the group's
support and asked audience members to contact Republican
lawmakers and demand that they back the House majority
leader.

Americans United's Lynn said, "It is dishonorable for Rep.
DeLay to use the Schiavo case and cloak himself in Christian
piety in order to evade accountability on ethics
complaints."

Frist also told the FRC attendees that he was dedicated to
issues dear to their hearts.

"You stand up for our families, our children, you never back
down," Frist told the gathering via speakerphone. "That's
why we are winning these larger battles today. Together we
are leading our nation forward. We have a president, a House
of Representatives, a Senate that shares our values and the
American people are on our side.

"In this Congress we are going to continue to work on the
issues that are important to you, to me and above all,
America's future," Frist continued.

Those issues include, Frist maintained, the confirmation of
"good judges," protecting the "sanctity of marriage" and
protecting "the unborn." He said, "I'm also committed to
ending the [Senate Democratic] minority's filibuster [on
judges] and restoring this 220 years or more of Senate
tradition and history."

Frist was particularly adamant about fighting for a Federal
Marriage Amendment, saying that, "We will take action to
preserve and protect and defend the sanctity of marriage
between a man and a woman."

Americans United's Lynn said the comments by DeLay and Frist
prove that Congress is beholden to the Religious Right's
narrow vision for America.

"I find it appalling that top leaders of Congress are using
the Schiavo tragedy to nurture their Religious Right base,"
Lynn said. "I am confident that the American people do not
want their personal lives subjected to interference from
Congress and their Religious Right allies."

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based
in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization
educates Americans about the importance of church-state
separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

________________________________________________________________________

LISTEN NOW at www.au.org
Beth Corbin
National Field Director
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
518 C Street, NE
Washington, DC 20002
PH: 202-466-3234
FAX: 202-466-2587
corbin@au.org
AUcorbin@aol.com
www.au.org


BLAH BLAH BLAH. Typical Jahaar1a post. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Ha! I thought you might enjoy that!

Who is Jahaar1a?

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:33 am
by PHBeerman
rednekkPH wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:I still think it's one of the friendliest groups around...
I agree wholeheartedly, however with the caveat that you get out of it what put into it. If someone comes running in acting like a complete a$$, they best expect to be treated as such.
Is that why we treat you that way?? :lol: :lol:

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:46 am
by rednekkPH
PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:I still think it's one of the friendliest groups around...
I agree wholeheartedly, however with the caveat that you get out of it what put into it. If someone comes running in acting like a complete a$$, they best expect to be treated as such.
Is that why we treat you that way?? :lol: :lol:
No, that's just how you deal with your (well founded) feelings of inadequacy. :D

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:50 am
by ph4ever
rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:I still think it's one of the friendliest groups around...
I agree wholeheartedly, however with the caveat that you get out of it what put into it. If someone comes running in acting like a complete a$$, they best expect to be treated as such.
Is that why we treat you that way?? :lol: :lol:
No, that's just how you deal with your (well founded) feelings of inadequacy. :D

so is that the reason we treat Shane the way we do :roll: :lol:

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:51 am
by rednekkPH
ph4ever wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:I still think it's one of the friendliest groups around...
I agree wholeheartedly, however with the caveat that you get out of it what put into it. If someone comes running in acting like a complete a$$, they best expect to be treated as such.
Is that why we treat you that way?? :lol: :lol:
No, that's just how you deal with your (well founded) feelings of inadequacy. :D

so is that the reason we treat Shane the way we do :roll: :lol:
Um, because he's Shane...

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:52 am
by PHBeerman
rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:I still think it's one of the friendliest groups around...
I agree wholeheartedly, however with the caveat that you get out of it what put into it. If someone comes running in acting like a complete a$$, they best expect to be treated as such.
Is that why we treat you that way?? :lol: :lol:
No, that's just how you deal with your (well founded) feelings of inadequacy. :D
Correction: That is only one way I deal with my (well founded) feelings of inadequacy. :lol:

Posted: March 24, 2005 9:53 am
by rednekkPH
PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
PHBeerman wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
Key Lime Lee wrote:I still think it's one of the friendliest groups around...
I agree wholeheartedly, however with the caveat that you get out of it what put into it. If someone comes running in acting like a complete a$$, they best expect to be treated as such.
Is that why we treat you that way?? :lol: :lol:
No, that's just how you deal with your (well founded) feelings of inadequacy. :D
Correction: That is only one way I deal with my (well founded) feelings of inadequacy. :lol:
Well, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. :wink:

Posted: March 24, 2005 11:18 am
by Sam
ejr wrote:Just as a reminder of how quick life can change...yesterday I got word about a tragedy for a professional acquaintance of mine (he is President of my professional association). He, his wife and another couple are in Florida vacationing. Sunday night they were involved in a car accident; the vehicle they were in rolled over. My acquaintance walked away with few injuries, but his wife has massive brain damage, multiple fractures, and is critical condition in a drug-induced coma, probably not expected to survive.

Life is fleeting---treasure it, and be prepared!!!
Ellen,
That is saddening news.
I know all to well how fast life can change and I do treasure it. I have too many "anniversaries"(sp) to remember with one just passed and a few fast approaching.
My Mom's birthday was the first day of Spring. I try not to mourn her loss and I do my best to remember the years and time we had together. Interesting (to me at least) I had a vivid and realistic dream of her that night....

I will keep your accquaintence and his wife in mind and my prayers...there's not much else I can do. But DO let me know if there is something that I can do.

HUUUGGGGZZZZZZ

Posted: March 24, 2005 11:40 am
by Sam
The Supreme Court has failed to hear Terri's case.
*************************************************************

A nurse that cared for Terri and was fired for saying that Terri DOES FEEL PAIN.
My brother was bedridden for far shorter period of time before he passed and had bedsores that went to the bone. Yes it is being investigated.
Lot of good it does my brother but perhaps we can prevent someone else from going through it.

A video interview of the nurse. WARNING it may take a while for the video if you are on dial up connection.
http://www.tampabaylive.com/video/news/ ... urse.shtml
*************************************************************
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp? ... 0323c.html

Fired Nurse Claims Terri Feels Pain
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
March 23, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - A nurse, who worked until Monday at the hospice where Terri Schiavo is dying of dehydration and starvation under court order, claims Terri feels pain and the nursing staff medicates her for that pain. Nora Wagner also claims she was fired Monday after expressing support for keeping Terri alive.

Wagner has been a nurse for 30 years and spent the last two years as a contract employee of an agency that provides nurses to the Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla., where Terri has been kept since April of 2000. She told a Florida television station that Terri's feeding tube should not have been removed.

"She's not physically ill, other than being brain damaged," Wagner told WPTF reporter Sarina Fazan.

Cybercast News Service tried repeatedly to contact Wagner Wednesday. She did not answer calls and her voice mail account was full and would not accept new messages.

Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo, spoke with ABC News Nightline's Chris Bury on March 15 and discussed the prospect of Teri suffering from a death by dehydration and starvation.

"It is a very painless procedure. Terri can't," Schiavo said, not finishing the sentence. "She has no cortex left. She doesn't feel pain."

But Wagner described the circumstances under which Woodside Hospice personnel would give Terri pain medication.

"The only time I ever heard her make sounds is, um, if she's in pain like, if, you know, she has her monthly (menstrual period) and she's in pain," Wagner explained. "She'll moan a bit and grimace, and that's how we know, you know, to give her a Motrin."

Terri was well cared for by the hospice staff, according to Wagner who said it is remarkable, "to be bed-ridden that long, you know, 15 years, five of those years at hospice and not have a mark on your body.

"They lotion her skin. She doesn't have bed sores," Wagner continued. "They take excellent care of her, you know, she's washed every day."

But Wagner also said that, while she was at work Sunday, she had what she considered "healthy debates" over Terri's condition with some of her fellow nurses.

"They think it should be over." Wagner said. "They think she wouldn't, she wouldn't want to live like this and they're just in agreement that the tube should come out, that the husband is the guardian and he should have the say."

Wagner's opinions, she said, led to her being removed from the Woodside Hospice by the nurse staffing agency that had placed her there. "The lady from the agency called me and said she got a call from Woodside," Wagner said. "They were very upset about things I had said about Terri and they don't want me back."

While that meant Wagner would not be working at Woodside Hospice, it didn't mean she was out of a job, at least not yet. Wagner claimed her agency supervisor then told her, "And, if you go to the media, you know, you're fired."

Wagner's response was, "Consider me fired."

Mike Bell, vice president of community relations with Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, reportedly told WPTF that it was Wagner's comments to the media, not her personal opinions that cost her job.

"We respect the diversity of strongly held opinions and beliefs, even among our staff and volunteers," Fazan reported.

"Where there would be a problem is a violation of confidentiality and failure to respect the privacy of any patient or family member, and that would be the reason why the agency asked Nora Wagner not to return to Woodside."

Fazan did not point out in her report, however, that Wagner's comments to the media were only made after she was ordered to remain silent by the placement agency, not prior to the Woodside Hospice request that she not be allowed to return to their facility.

Posted: March 24, 2005 11:57 am
by MojosMama
"She's not physically ill, other than being brain damaged,"

:o :o :o Isn't that enough? :o :o :o

Posted: March 24, 2005 12:03 pm
by Lightning Bolt
I believe I heard this nurse speak yesterday on various news channels.
If it was not her, it was another attending nurse who has had contact with Ms. Schiavo.

While I applaud their courage to stand up to be heard (especially to a headline-crazed media and hero-worshipping minority).....

who are they to offer properly-educated medical opinion? Even if they witnessed moments of reactionary motor functions, why aren't they respectful of
superior professionals who have properly examined, tested and diagnosed Ms. Schiavo?
Why do they feel their opinion is somehow more relevant?
More relevant than that of Mr. Schiavo?

Because they can have a TV camera pointed towards them
and "preach" for their 15 minutes.

Talk about your last temptation.....