DAMN IT, DAMN IT, DAMN IT

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » March 19, 2005 12:02 am

I know that I've drove drunk before, especially before my Buffett days (go figure).
You know you were drunk when you don't even remember driving home.
I'm amazed that I got home without getting caught or worse hurting or killing someone or myself.
Nowadaze I don't drink nearly as much but when I do I'm way more responsible, either making someone else drive or sleeping it off in the car.
I've done the latter a few times.
Heck I just spent eight days in the Keys and drank only three beers the whole time that I was there.
A couple of months ago one of my high school friends that I used to hang with drove drunk home from a party and killed someone that was walking accross the road.
He waited until he got home and then called the police and told them that he thought he hit someone.
Truth be known he was probably letting the buzz wear off before calling, who knows.

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » March 19, 2005 12:08 am

For those non-parents out there, maybe this will help explain the depth of feeling:

If you get behind the wheel of a car, drunk, and you hit and kill my child, I'm going to rage and weep and scream and ask you WHY WHY WHY did you have to be so STUPID.

If you're a pedophile, and you rape and kill my child, someone might just have to lock me up to keep me from killing you....

As others have said, above, someone who commits a crime like DUI really does have a good chance of learning their lesson, paying their dues, and not making that poor choice again.

I'm not at all convinced that a true pedophile can be rehabilitated. Ever. Throw away the key.......

captainjoe · Post by **captainjoe** » March 19, 2005 12:14 am

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:For those non-parents out there, maybe this will help explain the depth of feeling:

If you get behind the wheel of a car, drunk, and you hit and kill my child, I'm going to rage and weep and scream and ask you WHY WHY WHY did you have to be so STUPID.

If you're a pedophile, and you rape and kill my child, someone might just have to lock me up to keep me from killing you....

As others have said, above, someone who commits a crime like DUI really does have a good chance of learning their lesson, paying their dues, and not making that poor choice again.

I'm not at all convinced that a true pedophile can be rehabilitated. Ever. Throw away the key.......

Trust me when I say this, I have learned my lesson. It has been three years since I was arrested and I can honestly say that every time that I have driven since has been 100% alcohol free. I was not the type that would go out every night and do it, but I had admit to driving while intoxicated. I have paid my dues and learned my lesson.

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » March 19, 2005 12:14 am

Thanks Jen...that was exactly the point I was trying to make, but I'm a little to fuzzy right now to be making points.

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » March 19, 2005 12:15 am

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:For those non-parents out there, maybe this will help explain the depth of feeling:

If you get behind the wheel of a car, drunk, and you hit and kill my child, I'm going to rage and weep and scream and ask you WHY WHY WHY did you have to be so STUPID.

If you're a pedophile, and you rape and kill my child, someone might just have to lock me up to keep me from killing you....

As others have said, above, someone who commits a crime like DUI really does have a good chance of learning their lesson, paying their dues, and not making that poor choice again.

I'm not at all convinced that a true pedophile can be rehabilitated. Ever. Throw away the key.......

with his new friend Horndog.

captainjoe · Post by **captainjoe** » March 19, 2005 12:15 am

buffettbride wrote:Thanks Jen...that was exactly the point I was trying to make, but I'm a little to fuzzy right now to be making points.

Drunkard!

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » March 19, 2005 12:17 am

captainjoe wrote:
buffettbride wrote:Thanks Jen...that was exactly the point I was trying to make, but I'm a little to fuzzy right now to be making points.
Drunkard!

Shut up!!!

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » March 19, 2005 12:20 am

captainjoe wrote:Trust me when I say this, I have learned my lesson. It has been three years since I was arrested and I can honestly say that every time that I have driven since has been 100% alcohol free. I was not the type that would go out every night and do it, but I had admit to driving while intoxicated. I have paid my dues and learned my lesson.

Exactly. You made a mistake and learned some hard lessons from it. Thank God neither you nor anyone else was hurt. You have paid your dues, and no one should look down on you for it.

Now, if your attitude were different, say, "Screw that, they caught me once, but I still go out and drink, then drive home," it'd be clear that you hadn't learned a lesson, you might hurt someone, and you should be taken off the road.

As with lots of things, attitude counts.

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » March 19, 2005 3:43 am

A few minutes ago I finally went to my sherrif's office website to view a list of sexual predators and was shocked at how many there were in my county.
I saw five people that I recognized:
A couple of guys that I went to school with, the husband of an ex-coworker, a woman who was once my mom's neighbor, and another man that was once a coach of my little league baseball team back in the mid 80s. Thankfully nobody is near where I live right now.
Scary stuff.
dang I need to get to bed

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » March 19, 2005 7:49 am

Shoot the bastard

Unfortunately in many prision systems there is no real form of rehab for any type of issue be it sexual offenses, drug abuse, shoplifting - whatever. What is available is hard to get into because of waiting lists. Therefore many prisoners serve their time and are just released. After prison, if a person served their time and is not released on parole, in many cases there is no help transitioning them back into society being a productive member of society therefore they eventually revert back to their life of crime. At one time, in my state people on probation were under a stricter set of rules vs parole as well. At least in my state the prison systems needs to be overhauled so that prisoners truly get the help they need to truly be a productive member of society.

As far as this scumbag goes, he won't be allowed into general population which is a shame. Most prisons isolate child sex offenders as well as people who kill police officers - this is done for the protection of the prisoner. I say put their asses in gp and let them get gang raped or whatever will happen to them.

And if they survive that - execute their asses!!!

bumper · Post by **bumper** » March 19, 2005 9:21 am

The difference between this crime and DUI is intent and motivation. His sole pupose was to seek, attack and kill the girl. A DUI situation is careless, irresponsible carrying the potential for a horrible accident.

Jen and Redwinemaker....killing him would not make you anything like him, you would be protecting society/children from a predator who is akin to a lion with the taste of human blood on his pallet. A bullet is only 25 cents, failed rehab attempts and second, third, forth attacks to costly to measure. Put the pig out of our misery!!!!!

Sexual predators,,,especially those with "short eyes" are the bottom of the barrel, there is no treatment available that works save complete social isolation or a bullet to the head.

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » March 19, 2005 9:39 am

redwinemaker wrote:This is one case where although its clear (and proper) he is gonna fry, maybe letting him loose in the general prison population might be better

Death Row: many many years before he dies a painless death;
General Prison population: Violent death within 2 years after months of torture.

This guy might not last a week in the general population. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.

MojosMama · Post by **MojosMama** » March 19, 2005 10:44 am

They found her body.

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » March 19, 2005 11:45 am

LIPH wrote:
redwinemaker wrote:This is one case where although its clear (and proper) he is gonna fry, maybe letting him loose in the general prison population might be better

Death Row: many many years before he dies a painless death;
General Prison population: Violent death within 2 years after months of torture.
This guy might not last a week in the general population. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.

either that or he would do the Dutch

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » March 19, 2005 1:59 pm

Feed the c--k sucker to the sharks!!!

I'd also like to say something to ALL parents of small children-if it sounds like I'm preaching again, that's too bad.

Most of you know what I do for a living, and, when I come here, I don't like to bring my job with me or go into details about what goes on at work each day, just as most everyone else here doesn't.

But if I beg to get this point across, I WILL-
WITHOUT giving any details over these past couple days, I urge ALL parents to PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, buckle the kids up in either the seatbelts or a child restraint seat when they travel with you. If some of the crap I've seen these past two days made the the nightly news, it would make the devil himself cry.

creeky · Post by **creeky** » March 19, 2005 2:13 pm

No death penalty here - sometimes I wish there was ....... costs the taxpayer a lot of money to keep people that will never rehabilitate in prison.

Unfortunately I have know a couple of sex offenders - one is in prison where he should be - and the other - we think he is going through the system now.

What these people have done to so many lives, not just the victims, but the parents/family etc - I hope they get what they deserve in prison ....

I drunk drive once - when I woke up the next morning and realised I had no idea how I got home - that was enough for me ..... STUPID !

jackiesic · Post by **jackiesic** » March 19, 2005 8:05 pm

heartbreaking.
bring back courtyard hangings i say.....
ugh. this prompted me to check the state police site for our state and there is a convicted sex offended living 7 blocks away and 4 blocks from the k- 3 grade school. makes me want to print out the picture and send it home to every parent.

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » March 19, 2005 10:05 pm

jackiesic wrote:heartbreaking.
bring back courtyard hangings i say.....
ugh. this prompted me to check the state police site for our state and there is a convicted sex offended living 7 blocks away and 4 blocks from the k- 3 grade school. makes me want to print out the picture and send it home to every parent.

Not a bad idea at all.

I wonder if the school officials know......

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » March 19, 2005 10:59 pm

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
jackiesic wrote:heartbreaking.
bring back courtyard hangings i say.....
ugh. this prompted me to check the state police site for our state and there is a convicted sex offended living 7 blocks away and 4 blocks from the k- 3 grade school. makes me want to print out the picture and send it home to every parent.
Not a bad idea at all.

I wonder if the school officials know......

If they did they should be shot too

Phins1026 · Post by **Phins1026** » March 20, 2005 3:06 pm

ph4ever wrote: As far as this scumbag goes, he won't be allowed into general population which is a shame. Most prisons isolate child sex offenders as well as people who kill police officers - this is done for the protection of the prisoner. I say put their asses in gp and let them get gang raped or whatever will happen to them.

And if they survive that - execute their asses!!!

Connie I have to agree with you on that one.
After working for a few years in the prison system as a correctional officer one of the hardest things was (at least for me) knowing that I was responsible for protecting scumbags like this from his fellow prisoners and even themselves. Many a day/night it would have been so easy to leave that cell door open along with the guy(s) next to him and turn a blind eye or supply him/her with the bed sheet to take care of themselves.
Most prison populations will accept a person who commited a murder of another adult then someone who commited a crime against a child or woman for that matter no matter what they were serving time for themselves. Although I understood all too well the reason for keeping them in a restricted unit it never was easy to be the guy to step in when a conflict erupted in the unit of which I had seen my share. At the end of the day no matter what we stopped or did not stop in time it could never make up for the lifetime of agony of the families or the victims whether they were killed or survived the crime. They are the ones that have to live with it for the rest of there lives while the person who committed the crime lives on in our prison system with 3 squares a day, laundry service, cable tv and there own personal body guards.
This guy should have never been released as most of the others that have been through rehab. I am really not sure what the soulution would be. Kill them?? Release them in GP??? Do to them what they did to there victim??? Release them on an island somewhere with no hope of escape? I am not even sure there is a punishment fitting enough for these people once the crime has been committed.