Posted: March 22, 2005 9:46 pm
Nice to see you too monWino you know wrote:Nice to see you, Michael.
It's been a tough week.
As for the tough week, just add RUM
As for the tough week, just add RUM
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As for the tough week, just add RUM
Posted: March 22, 2005 9:49 pm
Geez, let's hope they're actually guilty of a crime.Wino you know wrote:Whenever a convicted felon is put to death, it's a great day in America.
Posted: March 22, 2005 9:52 pm
That's great advice. But unfortunately I'm still at work, and it's going to have to wait a bit. (How many more days until 11 O'clock?)sonofabeach wrote:Nice to see you too monWino you know wrote:Nice to see you, Michael.
It's been a tough week.
As for the tough week, just add RUM
I'll have a glass of Capt. Morgan & coke, and think of YOU when I get home. (And, of course, the lovely & gracious Vicky).
Posted: March 22, 2005 9:53 pm
Did I not say CONVICTED???iuparrothead wrote:Geez, let's hope they're actually guilty of a crime.Wino you know wrote:Whenever a convicted felon is put to death, it's a great day in America.
Posted: March 22, 2005 9:53 pm
that's where the word "convicted" comes into playiuparrothead wrote:Geez, let's hope they're actually guilty of a crime.Wino you know wrote:Whenever a convicted felon is put to death, it's a great day in America.
Posted: March 22, 2005 9:56 pm
Okay....here goes....usually I don't post really personal things...but I'm sitting alone in a hotel room and I've had a couple of really big cocktails...(I'm at a conference, NOT waiting for a date)!
I can speak from the perspective of a victim's family.
The woman who would have been my sister in law was brutally raped and murdered in 1974. The case was very spectacular....there were two people murdered and two horrifically tortured, but survived (both have since died). I didn't know her....but I remember the crime very vividly. It turned the state of Utah upside down....
I married my husband in 1987 and we were just going through the process of commutation hearings for both perpetrators. I cannot begin to tell you the toll it takes on a family. I watched my mother in law anguish over hearing the details of the death of her only daughter....her youngest child. I watched my husband be consumed with anger and hatred watching the faces of the men who took his sister away smirk at the press and prosecutors....while the beautiful smile of his sister had been taken away EIGHTEEN years earlier.
Both suspects have since been executed. We did not attend either execution, but I can tell you we sat up all night waiting for the phone call to tell us that the sentence had been carried out.
Now, did their death bring her back.....of course not.
Did their death bring anyone CLOSURE (I hate that word)....yes and no...we no longer have to hear about it time after time on the news, we no longer have to watch the footage of the bodies being taken out of the store (it was a robbery)....it ENDED.
The air seemed cleaner knowing that it was not being shared with the two of them.....my opinion of the death penality is forever biased....but these two are gone.....and that is a good thing.
I can speak from the perspective of a victim's family.
The woman who would have been my sister in law was brutally raped and murdered in 1974. The case was very spectacular....there were two people murdered and two horrifically tortured, but survived (both have since died). I didn't know her....but I remember the crime very vividly. It turned the state of Utah upside down....
I married my husband in 1987 and we were just going through the process of commutation hearings for both perpetrators. I cannot begin to tell you the toll it takes on a family. I watched my mother in law anguish over hearing the details of the death of her only daughter....her youngest child. I watched my husband be consumed with anger and hatred watching the faces of the men who took his sister away smirk at the press and prosecutors....while the beautiful smile of his sister had been taken away EIGHTEEN years earlier.
Both suspects have since been executed. We did not attend either execution, but I can tell you we sat up all night waiting for the phone call to tell us that the sentence had been carried out.
Now, did their death bring her back.....of course not.
Did their death bring anyone CLOSURE (I hate that word)....yes and no...we no longer have to hear about it time after time on the news, we no longer have to watch the footage of the bodies being taken out of the store (it was a robbery)....it ENDED.
The air seemed cleaner knowing that it was not being shared with the two of them.....my opinion of the death penality is forever biased....but these two are gone.....and that is a good thing.
Posted: March 22, 2005 9:57 pm
Good grief.Wino you know wrote:Did I not say CONVICTED???iuparrothead wrote:Geez, let's hope they're actually guilty of a crime.Wino you know wrote:Whenever a convicted felon is put to death, it's a great day in America.
When has our judicial system become so perfect in this country that convicted = 100%, without a doubt, unquestionably guilty??? I don't know if a more careless, frivolous, narrow-minded statement has ever been uttered.
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:01 pm
Yet ANOTHER pleasant personality among us.
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:04 pm
What if the charge isn't murder?Wino you know wrote:Yet ANOTHER pleasant personality among us.
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:04 pm
SO?big hat carmen wrote:What if the charge isn't murder?Wino you know wrote:Yet ANOTHER pleasant personality among us.
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:05 pm
So are you saying that an innocent person has NEVER been convicted of a felony in this country?Wino you know wrote:Yet ANOTHER pleasant personality among us.
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
My apologies. I am not accusing you of being narrow-minded, careless or frivolous... your statement was.
My argument has been rather pleasant all day. Thank you for noticing!
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:06 pm
That's a great suggestion, I wish that I had tried that instead.iuparrothead wrote:Well, first and foremost, the sheer existence of the death penalty will never prevent something like that from happening until our legal system is flawless. Therefore, I would encourage the family and their supporters to lobby for better & stricter legislation.Elrod wrote:What do you have to say to the families of people that are killed by repeat offenders? Or killed by someone that was wrongly release from jail?
How do you explain the failure to protect their loved one?
"I'm sorry that your brother was killed by a guy that should have been locked up. You should lobby your congressman."
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:07 pm
So are you advocating putting people to death for robbery, receiving stolen property, forgery etc? Those are felonies.Wino you know wrote:SO?big hat carmen wrote:What if the charge isn't murder?Wino you know wrote:Yet ANOTHER pleasant personality among us.
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:08 pm
I never implied that my suggestion was perfect or satisfying, but then again, neither is our justice system.Elrod wrote:That's a great suggestion, I wish that I had tried that instead.iuparrothead wrote:Well, first and foremost, the sheer existence of the death penalty will never prevent something like that from happening until our legal system is flawless. Therefore, I would encourage the family and their supporters to lobby for better & stricter legislation.Elrod wrote:What do you have to say to the families of people that are killed by repeat offenders? Or killed by someone that was wrongly release from jail?
How do you explain the failure to protect their loved one?
"I'm sorry that your brother was killed by a guy that should have been locked up. You should lobby your congressman."
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how they suggest perfecting our justice system so that we don't have to worry about the possibility of putting to death innocent people?
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:09 pm
NOPE! I didn't say innocent people have never been convicted. But here lately everyone seems to trust the judiciary branch of government, so along with that, you'd trust juries to do the right thing too, right?iuparrothead wrote:So are you saying that an innocent person has NEVER been convicted of a felony in this country?Wino you know wrote:Yet ANOTHER pleasant personality among us.
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
My apologies. I am not accusing you of being narrow-minded, careless or frivolous... your statement was.
My argument has been rather pleasant all day. Thank you for noticing!
If it's been proven BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that someone has committed a murder, their life should be taken as well.
(Like some guy named "O.J." something, who got away with murder).
It WILL be a great day in America when this a-hole in Florida who killed the little girl is put to death.
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:11 pm
Robbery? YES-if a gun was used in the commission of the crime, because a reasonable person would assume the intent to kill was there.big hat carmen wrote:So are you advocating putting people to death for robbery, receiving stolen property, forgery etc? Those are felonies.Wino you know wrote:SO?big hat carmen wrote:What if the charge isn't murder?Wino you know wrote:Yet ANOTHER pleasant personality among us.
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
RECEIVING stolen property? No
Forgery? Again, no.
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:15 pm
So juries, made up of fallible human beings are NOT capable of incorrect verdicts?Wino you know wrote:NOPE! I didn't say innocent people have never been convicted. But here lately everyone seems to trust the judiciary branch of government, so along with that, you'd trust juries to do the right thing too, right?iuparrothead wrote:So are you saying that an innocent person has NEVER been convicted of a felony in this country?Wino you know wrote:Yet ANOTHER pleasant personality among us.
How's THIS for a careless, frivolous, narrow minded statemen, professor-
WHENEVER A CONVICTED FELON IS PUT TO DEATH, IT'S A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!
My apologies. I am not accusing you of being narrow-minded, careless or frivolous... your statement was.
My argument has been rather pleasant all day. Thank you for noticing!
If it's been proven BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that someone has committed a murder, their life should be taken as well.
(Like some guy named "O.J." something, who got away with murder).
It WILL be a great day in America when this a-hole in Florida who killed the little girl is put to death.
And for that matter, innocent people have NEVER been forced to confess to a crime they did not commit?
And if that jury is in fact wrong, or that person confessed to a crime (felony) he/she did not commit and is convicted... they should be executed?
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:22 pm
I really don't know, is there a case where someone was put to death in recent years that should not have been?
*edit
I just googled and saw that it possibly has happened. I'd never given it much thought.
I was reading the about Willingham case in Texas.
But what do you do about it?
*edit
I just googled and saw that it possibly has happened. I'd never given it much thought.
I was reading the about Willingham case in Texas.
But what do you do about it?
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:23 pm
Until you get people to only commit crimes in the presence of a judge and 12 jurors, it won't be perfect. But it's going to be right a hell of a lot more than it's going to be wrong.iuparrothead wrote:I never implied that my suggestion was perfect or satisfying, but then again, neither is our justice system.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how they suggest perfecting our justice system so that we don't have to worry about the possibility of putting to death innocent people?
Posted: March 22, 2005 10:26 pm
Not that has been uncovered, but Jean Coleman Blackerby in the Vanderbilt Law Review Nashville: May 2003.Vol.56, Iss. 4; pg. 1179 states that over one hundred death row inmates have been released pursuant to evidence of actual innocence since 1973.sonofabeach wrote:I really don't know, is there a case where someone was put to death in recent years that should not have been?