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Here kitty,kitty,kitty

Posted: April 8, 2005 2:00 pm
by Cubbie Bear
Fur flies in Wisconsin spat between hunters and cat lovers

By John McCormick
Tribune staff reporter
Published April 8, 2005


MADISON -- Fluffy is in the cross hairs in Wisconsin and the fur is flying as cat lovers nationwide rally to try to defeat a proposal under consideration Monday that could eventually lead to legalized shooting of stray cats.

Not since a highly emotional debate in 2000 over the creation of a hunting season for mourning doves has there been so much controversy over the killing of an animal in this state, a place where outdoor traditions run deep.

Already death threats have been made against the western Wisconsin firefighter who first proposed that hunters, farmers and others be allowed to kill free-roaming cats to control their population, estimated at a million-plus statewide.

The proposal meets its first formal hurdle Monday evening, when thousands are expected to provide an advisory vote at conservation hearings in each of the state's 72 counties.

Horrified feline lovers and the Wisconsin Humane Society are encouraging opponents of the plan to attend the hearings, gatherings that have traditionally been dominated by hunters and outdoor enthusiasts.

The proposal--to classify feral cats as an unprotected species--would still need approval from the state Natural Resources Board and Wisconsin lawmakers. A small-game license might be needed to kill a cat, depending on whether policymakers deemed them wild animals or a public nuisance.

A wild or feral cat is typically defined as one with no identification collar and does not show friendly behavior. Wildlife officials say studies suggest the felines kill millions of songbirds in Wisconsin each year.

For some, the elimination of such cats has long been considered part of the "sportsman's code," a way to protect game birds. Many farmers and rural residents also routinely kill the animals. But shooting a cat is technically illegal in Wisconsin, even if the cat is harming livestock.

"People don't realize how many feral cats are out there, and how much damage they do," said Burt Bushke, a hunter from Mayville, who is state project coordinator for a hunting and bird-watching group called Wings Over Wisconsin.

Multiplying the problem

Bushke said city residents make the problem worse by dumping abandoned cats in the countryside, where they multiply. "They can take down ducks and pheasants. They hunt at night and people don't realize they are out there doing damage," he said.

Mark Smith, a La Crosse firefighter who traps and hunts, first made the feral cat proposal after he was angered by cats that prowl around his home's birdfeeder. He did not return a phone call requesting an interview.

Before the proposal reached the statewide level, it was passed on a 53-1 vote a year ago at the La Crosse County hearing of the Conservation Congress, an advisory group to the state Department of Natural Resources.

AnnMarie Kutzke, a DNR employee who is an assistant to the Conservation Congress, said the state has received many telephone calls and e-mails from concerned cat lovers across the nation and in other countries.

"When you have a question of this nature, it brings people out," she said, adding that turnout at Monday's hearings could reach 40,000 people.

Kutzke said she is only aware of laws in Minnesota and South Dakota that allow feral cats to be shot, although others may exist. Feral cats have become a problem in some areas of suburban Chicago. Several towns have adopted laws to discourage feeding the animals and McHenry and Lake Counties have set up trap, neuter and return programs.

Although the DNR has not studied the issue, a scientific basis often cited in the debate is a 1996 paper published by a University of Wisconsin professor who estimated there are 1.4 million free-range cats in the state, responsible for at least 7.8 million bird deaths each year.

But those trying to protect the cats question those numbers and say the felines should be treated as humanely as birds.

"We agree that cats don't belong in the wild," said Ted O'Donnell, who has helped organize a Web site and printed T-shirts in support of feral cats. "But this is probably the least progressive way to approach the feral cat issue."

Cat owners unite

O'Donnell, a 30-year-old Madison pet store owner and self-described "cat freak," is one of the leaders of the "Don't Shoot the Cat" movement, an effort that has politely, yet forcefully taken on one of Wisconsin's most powerful political lobbies: hunters.

Feral cats play an important role in reducing rodent populations, said O'Donnell, who has five cats. He said his group is also encouraging farmers to help spay and neuter them.

Noting that cats are the nation's most popular pet--estimates suggest there are more than 70 million--O'Donnell said feline owners are a powerful lobby, if they could just be herded in one direction.

"Not everyone has the same value for the life of a cat," he said. "But you can't ignore a huge population of cat owners."

Victoria Wellens, executive director of the Wisconsin Humane Society, said her organization has received "hundreds and hundreds" of calls and e-mails in opposition to the proposal, something she calls "cruel and inhumane."

Wellens said West Nile virus and loss of habitat to development are far greater threats to birds than feral cats. "There are more effective techniques, such as trap, neuter, return," she said.

Hunters, especially those who live in the city and don't see as much feral cat activity, are far from unified in support of the proposal.

"It's probably not a good idea because you don't know if you are shooting someone's pet or a feral cat," said Gary Dallmann, a turkey and deer hunter from Madison who was shopping for supplies earlier this week.

Others said they expect rural residents will continue to control the cat population as they see fit. "Unless you eat them, I don't see the point of killing them," said Trygve Skalet of Waunakee.

Opponents of shooting feral cats say they hope Monday's statewide hearings remain peaceful and respectful, unlike some of those during the mourning dove debate.

In 2000, more than 27,000 people attended the spring conservation hearings, with the vast majority supporting the establishment of a hunting season for mourning doves, a grayish brown bird that became a rallying point for hunters and environmentalists alike.

Results of the feral cat vote, which is also being monitored by national animal-rights groups, are not expected until Tuesday or Wednesday.

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Posted: April 8, 2005 2:04 pm
by rednekkPH
Hey Troy - meet ya in Wisconsin!

Posted: April 8, 2005 2:04 pm
by PHBeerman
Cool. Bring on the cats.



*Going to the range now*

Posted: April 8, 2005 2:13 pm
by Cubbie Bear
Imagine the new vietnamese tourists heading for cheeseland

Posted: April 8, 2005 3:09 pm
by FFishstick
Kill the Kitty Kill the Kitty, Cleaning my rifle and looking for cheap airfare to Cheeseland. It's Kitty season :D

Re: Here kitty,kitty,kitty

Posted: April 8, 2005 3:33 pm
by Travelin'man
Cubbie Bear wrote:.

"People don't realize how many feral cats are out there, and how much damage they do,"
After reading that, I started imagining a pack of wild kitties dragging down an elk....them's being such ferocious critters!! LMAO! 8) :lol:

Posted: April 8, 2005 3:45 pm
by ph4ever
wonder when the PETA protests are going to start??


I like cats - and I see and understand the problem with ferel cats. BUT can you imagine trying to explain to a child their beloved pet cat was shot by the man down the street???

Feral cats also do good. The keep the rat population down in urban areas. In Dallas there's a group of people that trap the feral cats, vets that volunteer their services for spay and neutering the cats - thus cutting down on the population. The cats are then released to continue keeping the rat population down. As I understand it's working quite nicely.

And really, there wouldn't be as many feral cats in the first place if there were more responsible pet owners.

Posted: April 8, 2005 6:33 pm
by TropicalColey
OK, this disturbs me and I am SO glad I am NOT in WI. There are MUCH better ways (not to mention less public ways) to handle this situation other than opening target season on cats.(as ph4ever mentions in Dallas) I can just picture people creeping down neighborhood streets waiting to pick of a pet just becuase is put foot prints on their windshield!
"Don't let Fluffy out tonight, I saw the neighbor polishing his gun, it's feline season you know!"

Posted: April 8, 2005 6:37 pm
by 12vmanRick
I can assure you if you shot one of my cats that got out, you better hide your family!!!! cuz my cats are family! Just like you dog lovers.

Posted: April 8, 2005 7:33 pm
by Sam
I have a proposal.... start shooting the people that turn them loose in the country.

I know the catch and neuter spaying programs work in a place in Virginia....I found out other areas from this thread...evidently it is catching on.

I have a problem with armadillos digging in my yard.....( we got some BIG dillos here in JAW-JUH).... When Mom and Dad were alive I was worried about them stepping in one of the holes they dug and breaking a hip or something. My only option is to shoot them....Go ahead and call an Animal Control Officer and tell them you want them to come out and trap armadillos....Also I have been told, that armadillos are the only other animal besides humans that can carry leprosy.

It is also like snakes......I know people that kill every snake they see....The only snakes I bother are the rattlesnakes and moccasins that come into my yard and pose a threat to me and my pets and others.
The snakes eat rats and mice and other pests.... and some feed off of other snakes...

I can see too much margin for error with this law.... cats and other animals will roam... what about pets that get lost and find their way back home?

I agree with Rick my pets are my family... all of my neighbors know them and have told me they have no problems with Col. Bud coming by to visit and he causes no trouble for them. He has a collar and a couple of times he chewed his way out of his harness when I had him chained so I could clean the house....Someone that did not know him could have easily shot him....

Re: Here kitty,kitty,kitty

Posted: April 8, 2005 8:48 pm
by ragtopW
Travelin'man wrote:
Cubbie Bear wrote:.

"People don't realize how many feral cats are out there, and how much damage they do,"
After reading that, I started imagining a pack of wild kitties dragging down an elk....them's being such ferocious critters!! LMAO! 8) :lol:
Wild bird Populations are VERY threatened


PS..In Wyoming last I hunted there, It's the law to kill a cat farther
than 1 mile from a home.house or farm..

Posted: April 8, 2005 9:23 pm
by Sidew13
AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, I WOULD SHOOT BACK AT A HUMAN SHOOTING AT A CAT. :evil: :evil: :evil:

IF YOU HURTA CAT, 2 THINGS WILL HAPPEN

1: I WILL CRY
2: YOU WILL CRY
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Posted: April 8, 2005 9:31 pm
by ragtopW
Sidew13 wrote:AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, I WOULD SHOOT BACK AT A HUMAN SHOOTING AT A CAT. :evil: :evil: :evil:

IF YOU HURTA CAT, 2 THINGS WILL HAPPEN

1: I WILL CRY
2: YOU WILL CRY
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Joe these are not "cats"
they are wild,mean and they really wreck an eco system
they have been dumped in the woods and . sorry to say
do not belong there.. also in many areas in
Wyoming are threatened and endangered species that the cats
are just wiping out..
usualy they are a Problem child that will not stop scratching
or a litter and mom just dumped.. :x

PS same law for dogs not "attended"

Posted: April 8, 2005 10:48 pm
by Moonie
go after the perpetrator more aggressively because if they've done it once, they will likely do it again.. therein lies the source of the problem, the cats, as well as the dogs, are innocent..

some people tend to do their troublesome children the same way !!!

Posted: April 8, 2005 11:14 pm
by FFishstick
12vmanRick wrote:I can assure you if you shot one of my cats that got out, you better hide your family!!!! cuz my cats are family! Just like you dog lovers.
I don't let my dog run wild, so don't let your cats run wild, and they won't get shot. Put that pussy on a leash is all I am saying. Just like I have to put a leash on my dog. No leash? your pussy gets a ticket. Let it run wild, the kitty gets shot.

Posted: April 9, 2005 1:39 am
by Wino you know
Sidew13 wrote:AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, I WOULD SHOOT BACK AT A HUMAN SHOOTING AT A CAT. :evil: :evil: :evil:

IF YOU HURTA CAT, 2 THINGS WILL HAPPEN

1: I WILL CRY
2: YOU WILL CRY
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
1)Name the day
2)Name the time
3)Name the town
4)Name the bar

The beers are on me.

Posted: April 9, 2005 1:50 am
by lovin_jimmy
i am a cat lover too, i have 2 myself, but i CAN NOT STAND MY NEIGHBORS AND THEIR 15 PLUS CATS!!!!!! i am totally serious, they have too many to count during an average drive by. they are ALWAYS using my flower bed as their litter box and tearing up evryones trash. not to mention that about evry 2 mos or so one of them winds up as roadkill. thats a great sight for the keets :roll: its not the cats fault, its their dumba$$, irresponsible owners!! bob barker needs to school them!!

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Posted: April 9, 2005 1:58 am
by Gulfbreeze
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Posted: April 9, 2005 5:27 am
by Sidew13
ragtopW wrote:
Sidew13 wrote:AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, I WOULD SHOOT BACK AT A HUMAN SHOOTING AT A CAT. :evil: :evil: :evil:

IF YOU HURTA CAT, 2 THINGS WILL HAPPEN

1: I WILL CRY
2: YOU WILL CRY
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Joe these are not "cats"
they are wild,mean and they really wreck an eco system
they have been dumped in the woods and . sorry to say
do not belong there.. also in many areas in
Wyoming are threatened and endangered species that the cats
are just wiping out..
usualy they are a Problem child that will not stop scratching
or a litter and mom just dumped.. :x

PS same law for dogs not "attended"
But that is not the cats fault. It's the fault of people who don't care. SPAY and/or NEUTER

Posted: April 9, 2005 5:43 am
by ragtopW
Sidew13 wrote:
ragtopW wrote:
Sidew13 wrote:AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, I WOULD SHOOT BACK AT A HUMAN SHOOTING AT A CAT. :evil: :evil: :evil:

IF YOU HURTA CAT, 2 THINGS WILL HAPPEN

1: I WILL CRY
2: YOU WILL CRY
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Joe these are not "cats"
they are wild,mean and they really wreck an eco system
they have been dumped in the woods and . sorry to say
do not belong there.. also in many areas in
Wyoming are threatened and endangered species that the cats
are just wiping out..
usualy they are a Problem child that will not stop scratching
or a litter and mom just dumped.. :x

PS same law for dogs not "attended"
But that is not the cats fault. It's the fault of people who don't care. SPAY and/or NEUTER


No argument there, I was posting that
A this is an issue. Not a good thing
B another state already had a law on the books regarding the issue