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Posted: May 6, 2005 9:44 pm
by Pirate Lookin' at 40
Not a real big Brad Paisley fan, but he can flat out play. I'd take his guitar ability over Urban. To answer your question though, I might like Urban better if he would just call his music what it is and be heard on a rock station. I don't guess he is completely at fault for that though.
Posted: May 7, 2005 11:45 am
by DeactiveCarib
Pirate Lookin' at 40 wrote:Not a real big Brad Paisley fan, but he can flat out play. I'd take his guitar ability over Urban. To answer your question though, I might like Urban better if he would just call his music what it is and be heard on a rock station. I don't guess he is completely at fault for that though.
do you listen to rock music today? His music certainly has an edge but not as much as whats on the radio today . . .. what is amazing is that he's even gone mainstream with what he's playing. It was interesting because i think how he got into it was by having his debut sound exactly like the pop-country on the radio at the time, and then on the next album just shock the hell out of everyone by turning up the distortion, and playing the hell out of the guitar and just rockin' non-stop . . sort of incorporate the shows into the album.
As for brad vs. keith . . brad maybe can play better traditional "country" guitar but keith can kick his ass in soloing and any rock type of playing you would ever wanna hear. Keith is still amazing at country guitar though for sure (and in my opinion better than brad). Just check out his little-known song "Clutterbilly" off the Ranch album . . .buy it on iTunes for a buck, or just sample it for free.
Posted: May 7, 2005 11:24 pm
by a1aara
I've heard a lot of people say that Pete Anderson is the best guitarist in country music.
Posted: May 8, 2005 4:26 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
DsilCaribe wrote:the best picker in country music today without a doubt. . . in crossroads he made john fogerty look like a novice
I think I'd put my vote in for Mac McAnally in this department.....
Posted: May 8, 2005 9:12 pm
by DeactiveCarib
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:the best picker in country music today without a doubt. . . in crossroads he made john fogerty look like a novice
I think I'd put my vote in for Mac McAnally in this department.....
Mac is good but he can't play electric guitar very well (i.e., lead guitar, but he isn't a lead guitarist by trade). He's good, i've seen both live but keith was better in my opinion.
Posted: May 9, 2005 8:17 am
by SchoolGirlHeart
DsilCaribe wrote:SchoolGirlHeart wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:the best picker in country music today without a doubt. . . in crossroads he made john fogerty look like a novice
I think I'd put my vote in for Mac McAnally in this department.....
Mac is good but he can't play electric guitar very well (i.e., lead guitar, but he isn't a lead guitarist by trade). He's good, i've seen both live but keith was better in my opinion.
I agree that Mac is more an acoustic guy. But he plays a mean acoustic.
As as far as electric, Peter Mayer is also up there.
I've seen Keith Urban live, too; *awesome*!!!
Posted: May 9, 2005 10:57 am
by Jahfin
Doc Watson is probably among the best country acoustic pickers I've ever heard. With all due respect, Keith and Mac aren't even in the ballpark.
Posted: May 9, 2005 5:15 pm
by DeactiveCarib
Jahfin wrote:Doc Watson is probably among the best country acoustic pickers I've ever heard. With all due respect, Keith and Mac aren't even in the ballpark.
i'd say doc is much more folk than country . . .but then again, you could say keith is much more rock than country. . . . i think they play two totally different styles so its hard to compare the two, just like how you can't really compare Mac and Keith.
Posted: May 9, 2005 7:48 pm
by Jahfin
If ya wanna call Urban a "rock" guitarist he may be above average but the likes of Joe Satriani and Steve Vai have him beat hands down. In the "country" field, he doesn't even come close to holding a candle to someone like the late Chet Atkins or, to name someone close to Atkins' style, Mark Knopfler.
Posted: May 9, 2005 7:59 pm
by DeactiveCarib
Jahfin wrote:If ya wanna call Urban a "rock" guitarist he may be above average but the likes of Joe Satriani and Steve Vai have him beat hands down. In the "country" field, he doesn't even come close to holding a candle to someone like the late Chet Atkins or, to name someone close to Atkins' style, Mark Knopfler.
Mark Knopfler is good (or at least from what ive heard of his Dire Straits music) but i dont think he's as good as Urban (coincidentally, Urban credits Knopfler as his biggest influence) . . .Chet Atkins on the other hand is a legend. But if you look at mainstream country, Urban is the best out there.
Posted: May 9, 2005 8:28 pm
by Jahfin
DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:If ya wanna call Urban a "rock" guitarist he may be above average but the likes of Joe Satriani and Steve Vai have him beat hands down. In the "country" field, he doesn't even come close to holding a candle to someone like the late Chet Atkins or, to name someone close to Atkins' style, Mark Knopfler.
Mark Knopfler is good (or at least from what ive heard of his Dire Straits music) but i dont think he's as good as Urban (coincidentally, Urban credits Knopfler as his biggest influence) . . .Chet Atkins on the other hand is a legend. But if you look at mainstream country, Urban is the best out there.
You might wanna investigate Knopfler's music (with and without Dire Straits) a bit further, I think you'll quickly find that Urban isn't even in the same league as someone like Knopfler. Same thing goes for country, the previously mentioned Pete Anderson and Eric "Roscoe" Ambel are much more accomplished guitarists, at least to my ears.
Posted: May 9, 2005 8:44 pm
by DeactiveCarib
Jahfin wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:If ya wanna call Urban a "rock" guitarist he may be above average but the likes of Joe Satriani and Steve Vai have him beat hands down. In the "country" field, he doesn't even come close to holding a candle to someone like the late Chet Atkins or, to name someone close to Atkins' style, Mark Knopfler.
Mark Knopfler is good (or at least from what ive heard of his Dire Straits music) but i dont think he's as good as Urban (coincidentally, Urban credits Knopfler as his biggest influence) . . .Chet Atkins on the other hand is a legend. But if you look at mainstream country, Urban is the best out there.
You might wanna investigate Knopfler's music (with and without Dire Straits) a bit further, I think you'll quickly find that Urban isn't even in the same league as someone like Knopfler. Same thing goes for country, the previously mentioned Pete Anderson and Eric "Roscoe" Ambel are much more accomplished guitarists, at least to my ears.
where would you direct me to investigate Knopfler's music further. . .i already own "Brothers In Arms."
Posted: May 9, 2005 9:05 pm
by Jahfin
DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:If ya wanna call Urban a "rock" guitarist he may be above average but the likes of Joe Satriani and Steve Vai have him beat hands down. In the "country" field, he doesn't even come close to holding a candle to someone like the late Chet Atkins or, to name someone close to Atkins' style, Mark Knopfler.
Mark Knopfler is good (or at least from what ive heard of his Dire Straits music) but i dont think he's as good as Urban (coincidentally, Urban credits Knopfler as his biggest influence) . . .Chet Atkins on the other hand is a legend. But if you look at mainstream country, Urban is the best out there.
You might wanna investigate Knopfler's music (with and without Dire Straits) a bit further, I think you'll quickly find that Urban isn't even in the same league as someone like Knopfler. Same thing goes for country, the previously mentioned Pete Anderson and Eric "Roscoe" Ambel are much more accomplished guitarists, at least to my ears.
where would you direct me to investigate Knopfler's music further. . .i already own "Brothers In Arms."
The first four studio records they did:
Dire Straits,
Communique (particularly the solo during the fadeout of "Lady Writer"),
Making Movies and the live album
Alchemy; for his solo work I recommend his last few records:
Sailing To Philadelphia,
The Ragpicker's Dream and
Shangri-La. I also highly recommend the
Neck and Neck album he did with Chet Atkins.
Posted: May 9, 2005 9:14 pm
by DeactiveCarib
Jahfin wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:If ya wanna call Urban a "rock" guitarist he may be above average but the likes of Joe Satriani and Steve Vai have him beat hands down. In the "country" field, he doesn't even come close to holding a candle to someone like the late Chet Atkins or, to name someone close to Atkins' style, Mark Knopfler.
Mark Knopfler is good (or at least from what ive heard of his Dire Straits music) but i dont think he's as good as Urban (coincidentally, Urban credits Knopfler as his biggest influence) . . .Chet Atkins on the other hand is a legend. But if you look at mainstream country, Urban is the best out there.
You might wanna investigate Knopfler's music (with and without Dire Straits) a bit further, I think you'll quickly find that Urban isn't even in the same league as someone like Knopfler. Same thing goes for country, the previously mentioned Pete Anderson and Eric "Roscoe" Ambel are much more accomplished guitarists, at least to my ears.
where would you direct me to investigate Knopfler's music further. . .i already own "Brothers In Arms."
The first four studio records they did:
Dire Straits,
Communique (particularly the solo during the fadeout of "Lady Writer"),
Making Movies and the live album
Alchemy; for his solo work I recommend his last few records:
Sailing To Philadelphia,
The Ragpicker's Dream and
Shangri-La. I also highly recommend the
Neck and Neck album he did with Chet Atkins.
okay, since i only have a certain amount of budget i give myself to buy music, I seriously can't buy all of those records so just name
one and maybe i'll pick up that one . . i do like Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler so i'd be willing to buy one album probably.
Posted: May 9, 2005 9:17 pm
by Jahfin
DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:DsilCaribe wrote:Jahfin wrote:If ya wanna call Urban a "rock" guitarist he may be above average but the likes of Joe Satriani and Steve Vai have him beat hands down. In the "country" field, he doesn't even come close to holding a candle to someone like the late Chet Atkins or, to name someone close to Atkins' style, Mark Knopfler.
Mark Knopfler is good (or at least from what ive heard of his Dire Straits music) but i dont think he's as good as Urban (coincidentally, Urban credits Knopfler as his biggest influence) . . .Chet Atkins on the other hand is a legend. But if you look at mainstream country, Urban is the best out there.
You might wanna investigate Knopfler's music (with and without Dire Straits) a bit further, I think you'll quickly find that Urban isn't even in the same league as someone like Knopfler. Same thing goes for country, the previously mentioned Pete Anderson and Eric "Roscoe" Ambel are much more accomplished guitarists, at least to my ears.
where would you direct me to investigate Knopfler's music further. . .i already own "Brothers In Arms."
The first four studio records they did:
Dire Straits,
Communique (particularly the solo during the fadeout of "Lady Writer"),
Making Movies and the live album
Alchemy; for his solo work I recommend his last few records:
Sailing To Philadelphia,
The Ragpicker's Dream and
Shangri-La. I also highly recommend the
Neck and Neck album he did with Chet Atkins.
okay, since i only have a certain amount of budget i give myself to buy music, I seriously can't buy all of those records so just name
one and maybe i'll pick up that one . . i do like Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler so i'd be willing to buy one album probably.
I'm not sure which one I'd recommend since I think they're all very representative of his best work. I'd suggest checking out some sound samples online first.
Posted: May 12, 2005 8:56 am
by cowboyjunkie
Jahfin wrote:meisinger wrote:Jahfin wrote:Why the artwork change?
It's getting an international release and this will be the cover. U.S. is changing to have the same artwork worldwide.
While they're at it are they gonna fix the music too?

That's hilarious.
Posted: May 17, 2005 9:21 pm
by DeactiveCarib
anybody catch his performance on the ACMs?? all i have to say is, HOW THE HELL IS THIS CONSIDERED COUNTRY MUSIC???
Posted: May 18, 2005 10:25 am
by Jahfin
I didn't see it but I'm honestly not surprised since so much of what is considered country music these days has way more in common with 70s rock than what I think of as country. That's the double-edge sword though since I've always been more of a fan of what was called "country-rock" back in the 70s than traditional country (same goes for "alt.country" these days). It took me years to appreciate the more traditional artists but now that I do, I think it's sad that a lot of that side of country music is all but lost. Thankfully, some artists (such as Lee Ann Womack) still carry the torch. I think it's great that country music has progressed but not at the expense of it's roots.
Posted: May 18, 2005 10:45 am
by ph4ever
Jah I see where you're coming from with the sound of country leaning more towards the rock of the 70's. For me I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. I think the foundation and beliefs are still there - just not the all the twangy, my mom died, dog died, wife left me so I'm gonna get drunk sound all the time the way it was in the earlier years. Change isn't necessarily a bad thing and regardless of our personal tastes change is going to happen no matter what type of music we listen to. I know that a lot of the older country performers are embracing the change brought about by the younger musicians. With the change that as occured in the rock industry over the years the only logical place for some of these acts to be categorized into is country IMHO. They definately are a little bit grittier than the "pop" sound (for the most part) and not hard enough for today's "rock" sounds. I also have noticed in the concerts I've attended over the years, that there is usually a cover done of one of the older country songs which could ultimately lead a person new to country music to open up and explore the older country music.
Posted: May 18, 2005 11:05 am
by Jahfin
The thing is, whether it be "today's country" or the "cosmopolitan country" of the 70s (Kenny Rogers, some of Dolly Parton's stuff, etc.) I've always been resourceful enough to seek out the types of music I like so it's no big deal. I just think it's sad when folks like Johnny Cash, Loretta Lynn and Merle Haggard don't even receive airplay (or recognition) for a music they helped to pioneer. Yes, Cash got all kinds of accolades for "Hurt" but that was only after the fact. Loretta won a Grammy this year but she didn't receive any support from the country music establishment in the process and bless her heart, she had no problem whatsoever saying so when she accepted her award. When it comes to rock merging with country, I think there's artists that do it much more effectively (at least to my ears) than the ones out there making "country" music today. By the way, that's not a knock against Keith Urban or any of the others that take a more "rock" approach to their music, it's just my own personal opinion.