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12vmanRick wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:
Now that I didn't know but I was more asking along the lines of say. Mac and Jimmy collaborate on a song and they need the talented Amy Lee to put the horns to the mix and a little Ralph and Robert magic.. do the others get royalties on the musical portion ?

Generally no... even if they were to work out cool musical parts it would be more "arrangement" than songwriting, and that doesn't get royalties.

Songwriting is the core words and melody. What you put around them for instrumentation and even musical parts is all arrangement.

That answered it more specifically and THANKS as always!

oh and song copyrighting went up to $30 per "session"

Haha! Figures.

A good way to think of the difference between songwriting and arrangement is the difference between Snoops "Gin N Juice" and the Gourd's version.

As clever as the Gourd's version is, they get no songwriting royalties for their version because its still Snoop's song.

Now they can copyright the Sound Recording of their version (form SR - literally, their arrangement as fixed in the recording), meaning that while Snoop gets the songwriting royalties, if you want to use the Gourd's version in a movie or something you'd have to license it from them.

Confusing yet?

Actually, wouldnt the record company own the recording?

On a similar topic, probibly the most shocking realization Ive come to in the last year between talking with Amy and booking Peter & Jim (and seeing on numerous occasions, also with Mac) is that these guys are not idols and they arent rich snobs. Every person in JB's band, Im sure JB inculded, is a real person. Musicians are real people, they dont make millions off of every show, and I dont know for sure, but I would guess that most of the coral reffers make salaries comprable to most BNers.

Its really kinda cool that JB and the band are just regular people out there with some incredible stories.

Get your head out of the clouds Mattie

PHat Matt wrote:On a similar topic, probibly the most shocking realization Ive come to in the last year between talking with Amy and booking Peter & Jim (and seeing on numerous occasions, also with Mac) is that these guys are not idols and they arent rich snobs. Every person in JB's band, Im sure JB inculded, is a real person. Musicians are real people, they dont make millions off of every show, and I dont know for sure, but I would guess that most of the coral reffers make salaries comprable to most BNers.

Its really kinda cool that JB and the band are just regular people out there with some incredible stories.

As long as they make more than you do, Matt... (at least for the time being)

Stizz wrote:

PHat Matt wrote:On a similar topic, probibly the most shocking realization Ive come to in the last year between talking with Amy and booking Peter & Jim (and seeing on numerous occasions, also with Mac) is that these guys are not idols and they arent rich snobs. Every person in JB's band, Im sure JB inculded, is a real person. Musicians are real people, they dont make millions off of every show, and I dont know for sure, but I would guess that most of the coral reffers make salaries comprable to most BNers.

Its really kinda cool that JB and the band are just regular people out there with some incredible stories.

As long as they make more than you do, Matt... (at least for the time being)

Trust me thats NOT an issue. My phreinds working at the local pool seem rich to me.

Next year Im hoping to bring in Arlo Guthrie or Little Feat in for a magic "get rich quick and avoid having to get a real job scheme"

Key Lime Lee wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:
Now that I didn't know but I was more asking along the lines of say. Mac and Jimmy collaborate on a song and they need the talented Amy Lee to put the horns to the mix and a little Ralph and Robert magic.. do the others get royalties on the musical portion ?

Generally no... even if they were to work out cool musical parts it would be more "arrangement" than songwriting, and that doesn't get royalties.

Songwriting is the core words and melody. What you put around them for instrumentation and even musical parts is all arrangement.

That answered it more specifically and THANKS as always!

oh and song copyrighting went up to $30 per "session"

Haha! Figures.

A good way to think of the difference between songwriting and arrangement is the difference between Snoops "Gin N Juice" and the Gourd's version.

As clever as the Gourd's version is, they get no songwriting royalties for their version because its still Snoop's song.

Now they can copyright the Sound Recording of their version (form SR - literally, their arrangement as fixed in the recording), meaning that while Snoop gets the songwriting royalties, if you want to use the Gourd's version in a movie or something you'd have to license it from them.

Confusing yet?

clear as mud dude..

and I agree with Matt below for the band members I have met

Cubbie Bear wrote:Get your head out of the clouds Mattie

Trust me, it is never coming back. There is just somthing incredibly cool when your "talking" to your phavorite bands "people" to get them in town phor a show.

Don't ever lose that Matt

PHat Matt wrote:

Cubbie Bear wrote:Get your head out of the clouds Mattie

Trust me, it is never coming back. There is just somthing incredibly cool when your "talking" to your phavorite bands "people" to get them in town phor a show.

- GO MATT!!! (not that I have a clue about the people you are booking - but I am sure they are great!)

(I just realised I should be just about at work and not left yet )

creeky wrote:

PHat Matt wrote:

Cubbie Bear wrote:Get your head out of the clouds Mattie

Trust me, it is never coming back. There is just somthing incredibly cool when your "talking" to your phavorite bands "people" to get them in town phor a show.

- GO MATT!!! (not that I have a clue about the people you are booking - but I am sure they are great!)

Dont worry, Ill move out to Aussie land and introduce all this great music (Hiatt, Little Feat, Guthrie) to your continent.

Stizz wrote:Actually, wouldnt the record company own the recording?

Yeah, you're right.

I assumed the Gourds were an indie band.

Now if you can tell me why records are considered "work for hire" (thus the label owns the copyrights) and yet artists are responsible for paying....

four pages and no one has made an In and out joke..




are we slipping or what????

Stizz wrote:Well as usual, Lee has the answers. THey get paid by the week, hotels and transportation included (coach ), and the per diem they get depends on the city that they stay in, but since they tend to stay in deluxe hotels where morning coffee is like $25 , the per D doesn't always go too far...

Royalties add up if you have written and/or published lots of songs, or a few hits. But if someone has co-written 2 or 3 songs with say, Jimmy Buffett, the quarterly checks are usually in the 20-30 dollar range...

Hi Stizz!! Please give my best to your wife. And from what I hear, you and her get to see more of Leigh Ann than I have lately, so when you see her again, give her a big hug from me!!

Take care!

ragtopW wrote: four pages and no one has made an In and out joke..
are we slipping or what????

This is a clean crowd........LMAO

Key Lime Lee wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

key lime lee wrote: Some of the PROs are a little more heavy handed about demanding their money (or asking too much for it), and sometimes club owners choose not to pay.

thanks, some of my co-workers were asking me

I've heard a lot of stories of club owners who never knew they had to pay licensing fees for having a jukebox. Suffice it to say when someone from ASCAP or BMI shows up at their door and surprises them by telling them they need to pay, like, $600 a year to have their jukebox they don't always respond in the friendliest manner.

My health club was contacted since they play music while we exercise. They were told it qualified as a "performance" and they hit the franchise owner up for a yearly fee....

So is this "performance fee" (royalty) the reason Jimmy no longer performs "God's Own Drunk"? Didn't the writer's family try to start charging him for performing it???

Thanks for all the interesting info!