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tikitatas wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

tikitatas wrote:Oh definitely. Go down.

But whatever you do, don't smuggle your guns across . . .

www.halifaxherald.com/stories/2005/06/06/fNovaSc

Does that mean all the guys have to enter the country without pants?
Don't even want to think a bout a border crossing in the winter or frostbite...BRRRR!!! OUCHIES!!!!!

OR
Does that mean it is ok to smuggle all the Illegal Aliens up to you then?

LIPH wrote:

buffettbride wrote:thank you everyone who has kindly let me entertain myself today

Well, I've been mightily entertained by all of this, too. Larry has been funny as HELL!

The Hulkster . . . nyuk, nyuk . . .

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

tikitatas wrote:Oh definitely. Go down.

But whatever you do, don't smuggle your guns across . . .

www.halifaxherald.com/stories/2005/06/06/fNovaSc

Does that mean all the guys have to enter the country without pants?
Don't even want to think a bout a border crossing in the winter or frostbite...BRRRR!!! OUCHIES!!!!!

OR
Does that mean it is ok to smuggle all the Illegal Aliens up to you then?

Who needs a .357 on holiday? Geez, our beavers aren't ATTACK beavers!!!!

tikitatas wrote:

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

tikitatas wrote:Oh definitely. Go down.

But whatever you do, don't smuggle your guns across . . .

www.halifaxherald.com/stories/2005/06/06/fNovaSc

Does that mean all the guys have to enter the country without pants?
Don't even want to think a bout a border crossing in the winter or frostbite...BRRRR!!! OUCHIES!!!!!

OR
Does that mean it is ok to smuggle all the Illegal Aliens up to you then?

Who needs a .357 on holiday? Geez, our beavers aren't ATTACK beavers!!!!

Some people don't feel comfortable unless they have a barrel to stroke.

LIPH wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

tikitatas wrote:Oh definitely. Go down.

But whatever you do, don't smuggle your guns across . . .

www.halifaxherald.com/stories/2005/06/06/fNovaSc

Does that mean all the guys have to enter the country without pants?
Don't even want to think a bout a border crossing in the winter or frostbite...BRRRR!!! OUCHIES!!!!!

OR
Does that mean it is ok to smuggle all the Illegal Aliens up to you then?

Who needs a .357 on holiday? Geez, our beavers aren't ATTACK beavers!!!!

Some people don't feel comfortable unless they have a barrel to stroke.

amen sometimes i check just to make sure mines still where i left it

thegoatgod wrote:

LIPH wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

But whatever you do, don't smuggle your guns across . . .

www.halifaxherald.com/stories/2005/06/06/fNovaSc

Does that mean all the guys have to enter the country without pants?
Don't even want to think a bout a border crossing in the winter or frostbite...BRRRR!!! OUCHIES!!!!!

OR
Does that mean it is ok to smuggle all the Illegal Aliens up to you then?

Who needs a .357 on holiday? Geez, our beavers aren't ATTACK beavers!!!!

Some people don't feel comfortable unless they have a barrel to stroke.

amen sometimes i check just to make sure mines still where i left it

oh, THAT's what you're doing . . . ok.

Mal?

Did we go too far?

Too much fun and not enough weapon talk?

tikitatas wrote:

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

tikitatas wrote:Oh definitely. Go down.

But whatever you do, don't smuggle your guns across . . .

www.halifaxherald.com/stories/2005/06/06/fNovaSc

Does that mean all the guys have to enter the country without pants?
Don't even want to think a bout a border crossing in the winter or frostbite...BRRRR!!! OUCHIES!!!!!

OR
Does that mean it is ok to smuggle all the Illegal Aliens up to you then?

Who needs a .357 on holiday? Geez, our beavers aren't ATTACK beavers!!!!

Contrary to popular opine a .357 is not really that big of a caliber, (roughly a .380 9mm Kurtz, a.38 Special, a 9mm Parabellum, and several other calibers all fire the same caliber projectile ) and you never know when you will need it ...it is better to have it and NOT need it than it is to NOT have it and NEED it...You cannot say "TIME OUT! I need to go back and get my pistol,shotgun, etc.... and when comes to actually having to stop someone or several someones and save a life, I don't know about you or anyone else, but given the option or choiceI would rather have the biggest caliber that I can accurately and consistantly shoot in a reliable weapon, that I am highly familiar with, unfortunately not everyone (including law enforcement and military) is given that option. Depending on range and number of bad guys and a couple of other things...I would definitely prefer something other than a handgun.

Weapons/firearms/knives/swords/ a car or an airplane or whathave you, are simply tools and only as good or as bad as the person or operator or pilot behind it.

Just as there are many sizes and types of nails and hammers or nuts and bolts or screws and screwdrivers. All have the same purpose....but they are made for different jobs. The same with firearms. When used and handled properly in trained hands, all are safe...used improperly by incompetent or unkoning or untrained people is where the problems are.

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

tikitatas wrote:Oh definitely. Go down.

But whatever you do, don't smuggle your guns across . . .

www.halifaxherald.com/stories/2005/06/06/fNovaSc

Does that mean all the guys have to enter the country without pants?
Don't even want to think a bout a border crossing in the winter or frostbite...BRRRR!!! OUCHIES!!!!!

OR
Does that mean it is ok to smuggle all the Illegal Aliens up to you then?

Who needs a .357 on holiday? Geez, our beavers aren't ATTACK beavers!!!!

Contrary to popular opine a .357 is not really that big of a caliber, (roughly a .380 9mm Kurtz, a.38 Special, a 9mm Parabellum, and several other calibers all fire the same caliber projectile ) and you never know when you will need it ...it is better to have it and NOT need it than it is to NOT have it and NEED it...You cannot say "TIME OUT! I need to go back and get my pistol,shotgun, etc.... and when comes to actually having to stop someone or several someones and save a life, I don't know about you or anyone else, but given the option or choiceI would rather have the biggest caliber that I can accurately and consistantly shoot in a reliable weapon, that I am highly familiar with, unfortunately not everyone (including law enforcement and military) is given that option. Depending on range and number of bad guys and a couple of other things...I would definitely prefer something other than a handgun.

Weapons/firearms/knives/swords/ a car or an airplane or whathave you, are simply tools and only as good or as bad as the person or operator or pilot behind it.

Just as there are many sizes and types of nails and hammers or nuts and bolts or screws and screwdrivers. All have the same purpose....but they are made for different jobs. The same with firearms. When used and handled properly in trained hands, all are safe...used improperly by incompetent or unkoning or untrained people is where the problems are.

Oh. My. God.

Did he really type that?

Wow this thread has me locked and loaded.
Careful though it's got a hair trigg...OOPS .....speaking of......gotta go..I'll be back when I reload

tikitatas wrote:Mal?

Did we go too far?

Too much fun and not enough weapon talk?

Hey I have a sweet gun for you !!!!!!

(cream pie gun)

ragtopW wrote:

tikitatas wrote:Mal?

Did we go too far?

Too much fun and not enough weapon talk?

Hey I have a sweet gun for you !!!!!!

(cream pie gun)

Wayne . . . you are TOO cool! Love it!

Sam, I really respect you and I think you're really quite the intelligent guy and have a lot of great knowledge and always enjoy your posts (especially the more scientific ones), but please don't tell me you need one of these:

to protect your family. That just isn't realistic.

I believe every american has the RIGHT to protect themselves, but not nesicarily the RESPONSIBILITY

And i find it mind-boggling how any american could get excited and want to posess a gun like that. That type of gun isn't meant for hunting, it isn't meant for recreation; its sole purpose is for killing other humans. I cannot possibly think of any situation where you will need a gun like that for self protection, and if you honestly think you need one then you're probably just paranoid. There hasn't been a single situation in american history since the civil war where a law-abiding american citizen needed a gun like that for self protection. Yes, it certainly is your RIGHT to have one, but i personally find it very odd that anyone would think they need a gun like that to protect their family.

And yes, i have operated firearms. I dont even know if you can actually buy a gun like that, it might be only for the military, but it still disturbs me why people get excited about machines that are exclusivley made for killing others, whether it be on the battlefield or not.

tikitatas wrote:

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

Sam wrote:

tikitatas wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

But whatever you do, don't smuggle your guns across . . .

www.halifaxherald.com/stories/2005/06/06/fNovaSc

Does that mean all the guys have to enter the country without pants?
Don't even want to think a bout a border crossing in the winter or frostbite...BRRRR!!! OUCHIES!!!!!

OR
Does that mean it is ok to smuggle all the Illegal Aliens up to you then?

Who needs a .357 on holiday? Geez, our beavers aren't ATTACK beavers!!!!

Contrary to popular opine a .357 is not really that big of a caliber, (roughly a .380 9mm Kurtz, a.38 Special, a 9mm Parabellum, and several other calibers all fire the same caliber projectile ) and you never know when you will need it ...it is better to have it and NOT need it than it is to NOT have it and NEED it...You cannot say "TIME OUT! I need to go back and get my pistol,shotgun, etc.... and when comes to actually having to stop someone or several someones and save a life, I don't know about you or anyone else, but given the option or choiceI would rather have the biggest caliber that I can accurately and consistantly shoot in a reliable weapon, that I am highly familiar with, unfortunately not everyone (including law enforcement and military) is given that option. Depending on range and number of bad guys and a couple of other things...I would definitely prefer something other than a handgun.

Weapons/firearms/knives/swords/ a car or an airplane or whathave you, are simply tools and only as good or as bad as the person or operator or pilot behind it.

Just as there are many sizes and types of nails and hammers or nuts and bolts or screws and screwdrivers. All have the same purpose....but they are made for different jobs. The same with firearms. When used and handled properly in trained hands, all are safe...used improperly by incompetent or unkoning or untrained people is where the problems are.

Oh. My. God.

Did he really type that?

YES I REALLY DID SAY THAT! If/when it becomes neccessary to saving lives or taking a life......WHAT would you do to save your own or a family member or a friend or team mate's life...
Would you be willing to take a life to save them? What do you think the police or the military do to save people ??? perhaps, ask them to nicely and politely please behave and put the weapon down, or we will ask you nicely again until you decide to do so?

DsilCaribe wrote:Sam, I really respect you and I think you're really quite the intelligent guy and have a lot of great knowledge, but please don't tell me you need one of these:

to protect your family.

I believe every american has the RIGHT to protect themselves, but not nesicarily the RESPONSIBILITY

And i find it mind-boggling how any american could get excited and want to posess a gun like that. That type of gun isn't meant for hunting, it isn't meant for recreation; its sole purpose is for killing other humans. I cannot possibly think of any situation where you will need a gun like that for self protection, and if you honestly think you need one then you're probably just paranoid. There hasn't been a single situation in american history since the civil war where a law-abiding american citizen needed a gun like that for self protection. Yes, it certainly is your RIGHT to have one, but i personally find it very odd that anyone would think they need a gun like that to protect their family.

And yes, i have operated firearms. I dont even know if you can actually buy a gun like that, it might be only for the military, but it still disturbs me why people get excited about machines that are exclusivley made for killing others, whether it be on the battlefield or not.

Those who do not heed history are doomed to repeat it
read your own post, since the civil war???
try reading the news
90% of the issues the american military is solving world wide
for a few of these recent "conflicts" are the "have guns"
against the "have not guns"


(jumping off soap box now.. )

ragtopW wrote:

DsilCaribe wrote:Sam, I really respect you and I think you're really quite the intelligent guy and have a lot of great knowledge, but please don't tell me you need one of these:

to protect your family.

I believe every american has the RIGHT to protect themselves, but not nesicarily the RESPONSIBILITY

And i find it mind-boggling how any american could get excited and want to posess a gun like that. That type of gun isn't meant for hunting, it isn't meant for recreation; its sole purpose is for killing other humans. I cannot possibly think of any situation where you will need a gun like that for self protection, and if you honestly think you need one then you're probably just paranoid. There hasn't been a single situation in american history since the civil war where a law-abiding american citizen needed a gun like that for self protection. Yes, it certainly is your RIGHT to have one, but i personally find it very odd that anyone would think they need a gun like that to protect their family.

And yes, i have operated firearms. I dont even know if you can actually buy a gun like that, it might be only for the military, but it still disturbs me why people get excited about machines that are exclusivley made for killing others, whether it be on the battlefield or not.

Those who do not heed history are doomed to repeat it
read your own post, since the civil war???
try reading the news
90% of the issues the american military is solving world wide
for a few of these recent "conflicts" are the "have guns"
against the "have not guns"


(jumping off soap box now.. )

the civil war comment was directed towards protecting your own family. Guns are certainly needed now in Iraq, but i was directing that towards protecting your family here, on our home soil.

maybe you can stretch it and say that you might need heavy duty guns to protect your family back during the riots in the 60s, but even then i still think that it would be unecesary

DsilCaribe wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

DsilCaribe wrote:Sam, I really respect you and I think you're really quite the intelligent guy and have a lot of great knowledge, but please don't tell me you need one of these:

to protect your family.

I believe every american has the RIGHT to protect themselves, but not nesicarily the RESPONSIBILITY

And i find it mind-boggling how any american could get excited and want to posess a gun like that. That type of gun isn't meant for hunting, it isn't meant for recreation; its sole purpose is for killing other humans. I cannot possibly think of any situation where you will need a gun like that for self protection, and if you honestly think you need one then you're probably just paranoid. There hasn't been a single situation in american history since the civil war where a law-abiding american citizen needed a gun like that for self protection. Yes, it certainly is your RIGHT to have one, but i personally find it very odd that anyone would think they need a gun like that to protect their family.

And yes, i have operated firearms. I dont even know if you can actually buy a gun like that, it might be only for the military, but it still disturbs me why people get excited about machines that are exclusivley made for killing others, whether it be on the battlefield or not.

Those who do not heed history are doomed to repeat it
read your own post, since the civil war???
try reading the news
90% of the issues the american military is solving world wide
for a few of these recent "conflicts" are the "have guns"
against the "have not guns"


(jumping off soap box now.. )

the civil war comment was directed towards protecting your own family. Guns are certainly needed now in Iraq, but i was directing that towards protecting your family here, on our home soil.

maybe you can stretch it and say that you might need heavy duty guns to protect your family back during the riots in the 60s, but even then i still think that it would be unecesary

did you see the footage of the Rodney King Mess????

and if OJ would have been found Guilty............

DsilCaribe wrote:Sam, I really respect you and I think you're really quite the intelligent guy and have a lot of great knowledge and always enjoy your posts (especially the more scientific ones), but please don't tell me you need one of these:

to protect your family. That just isn't realistic.

I believe every american has the RIGHT to protect themselves, but not nesicarily the RESPONSIBILITY

And i find it mind-boggling how any american could get excited and want to posess a gun like that. That type of gun isn't meant for hunting, it isn't meant for recreation; its sole purpose is for killing other humans. I cannot possibly think of any situation where you will need a gun like that for self protection, and if you honestly think you need one then you're probably just paranoid. There hasn't been a single situation in american history since the civil war where a law-abiding american citizen needed a gun like that for self protection. Yes, it certainly is your RIGHT to have one, but i personally find it very odd that anyone would think they need a gun like that to protect their family.

And yes, i have operated firearms. I dont even know if you can actually buy a gun like that, it might be only for the military, but it still disturbs me why people get excited about machines that are exclusivley made for killing others, whether it be on the battlefield or not.

Can I ask your age and what state you live in?

If people have the Right to protect and defend themselves then why don't the have the Responibility?

If the people aRE NOT RESPONSIBLE for that Right, and have done nothing wrong to lose that Right, THEN WHO IS RESPONSIBLE for protecting them or their family/lovedones or property?

If you say the police you are sadly mistaken and if you must depend them alone to do the job, I hope you have good health care and are in right with the the Big guy..... those minutes it takes for them to respond can be an eternity for you and your loved ones. I am not putting down the police in anyway, but they do have other duties than sitting around your house and there are not enough of them to do so anyway.

I never said I NEEDED one...I said I wanted one. I carried a weapon very close or identical to the one you picture among numerous others.
Not all weapons are designed to kill...such as some are designed for punching holes in paper at 1,000 meters or so.
Some are made for shooting trap or skeet.
Some are made for silouhette shooting.
The M-16 was not designed to kill, though kill it can, just easily as a car can kill people. BTW, cars/vehicles kill and injure more people every year in American than firearms do. The M-16 round was designed to wound an enemy.
( any idea why wound an enemy rather than kill? )

No one needs a car that will exceed the speed limit,.. yet most people that own a car do own such a vehicle and do appreciate speed in some vehicle, masseratis, Lamborgini, Ferraris, Porches, Corvettes, Big American muscle cars, etc....apparently no one has trouble with people owning them. I find it highly ironic that people that have never driven or owned such cars have no problem loving them and that people that have fired a weapon and little to no knowledge of them have such a problem with people that enjoy shooting.

Yes Class III weapons are available to be legally owned, in America, IF a person can pass the background check and afford to pay the ATF stamp and perhaps other requirements, not to mention the cost of the weapon of choice. I know of at least one incident that a civilian individual did lawfully use his legally owned Class III weapon to defend himself and protect his property. Who is to say what somebody else can drive if they can afford it? Who is to say what someone that is a law abiding citizen, that can legally own Class III or other weapons, use in defense of their property and life? Do you have any idea of how many people legally own Class III firearms in America? Any idea of how many Class III owners have ever used such weapons in the commission of a felony or a crime?

I don't know if you a miltary background or not.
I don't know what kind of firearms you have handled/qualified/ fam fired or whatever, but have you ever fired a "REAL" ( military definition, not the left wing anti gun group's) assualt weapon? Ever rock and rolled with an M-60? Ever fired the M-203? All are fun to shoot.

Quite contrary to your belief/ statement that the weapon you showed is only good for killing people...there are quite a few non lethal and less than lethal force ( lethal force is also known as deadly force) rounds available for the 40mm low velocity weapons...As a matter of fact quite a few police departments do have them and have used them, at least in the M-79s....and they did not kill anyone when they did.

I know of police departments that were trained to use AT-4s and LAW rockets, the SAW, among numerous other weapons you might never have heard of.... guess what.... they were being trained and instructed by civilian personnel....

ragtopW wrote:

DsilCaribe wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

DsilCaribe wrote:Sam, I really respect you and I think you're really quite the intelligent guy and have a lot of great knowledge, but please don't tell me you need one of these:

to protect your family.

I believe every american has the RIGHT to protect themselves, but not nesicarily the RESPONSIBILITY

And i find it mind-boggling how any american could get excited and want to posess a gun like that. That type of gun isn't meant for hunting, it isn't meant for recreation; its sole purpose is for killing other humans. I cannot possibly think of any situation where you will need a gun like that for self protection, and if you honestly think you need one then you're probably just paranoid. There hasn't been a single situation in american history since the civil war where a law-abiding american citizen needed a gun like that for self protection. Yes, it certainly is your RIGHT to have one, but i personally find it very odd that anyone would think they need a gun like that to protect their family.

And yes, i have operated firearms. I dont even know if you can actually buy a gun like that, it might be only for the military, but it still disturbs me why people get excited about machines that are exclusivley made for killing others, whether it be on the battlefield or not.

Those who do not heed history are doomed to repeat it
read your own post, since the civil war???
try reading the news
90% of the issues the american military is solving world wide
for a few of these recent "conflicts" are the "have guns"
against the "have not guns"


(jumping off soap box now.. )

the civil war comment was directed towards protecting your own family. Guns are certainly needed now in Iraq, but i was directing that towards protecting your family here, on our home soil.

maybe you can stretch it and say that you might need heavy duty guns to protect your family back during the riots in the 60s, but even then i still think that it would be unecesary

did you see the footage of the Rodney King Mess????

and if OJ would have been found Guilty............

Did you any of the footage of the Korean Merchants and the rooftops and around that area, during the Rodney King "fiasco"? Gee.. does one really have to wonder why their shops/businesses were not looted and burned and destroyed?

Not much has been said about what happened after hurricaine Andrew wiped through southern Florida... but ...look at the signs people posted.... I have heard "various rumors" of numerous looters being shot, down their with numbers going as high or over 60 separate incidents. Where was the media on that???

I find it extremely ironic, that the media seldom, (if ever) reports someone using a weapon in a positive manner to protect themselves or family/property, but has no problem constantly showing them when they are misued by crimminals or in the hands of children, and I guarantee weapons are lawfully used more often by responsible people than they are used unlawfully by crimminals.

Ever heard of Professor Gary Kleck and a study he did on firearms and the conclusions he found?

(each dash is a response to each of your paragraphs)
-My age and state are none of your business

-I believe that all ameicans have the right to bear arms, but the responsibility isn't a requirement for all americans. It is your own personal choice as an american to bear arms and use them, or not to bear arms. That is why it isn't necisarily the responsibility of all americans to protect themselves. We have people that are payed to do that and they are called police, and I put my trust in my local police, they have done a great job ever since i have lived here.

-As americans, we have the choice of relying on our police forces to protect us and there is nothing wrong with that at all. If you dont trust the police, then take it into your own hands, but be reasonable.

-I put my full trust in my local police. I have no reason to suspect anyone is trying to kill me, and I have a security system in my home and I am not afraid of robberys. Therefore, i feel no need to have a gun in my home, please respect my decision, just as I respect your decision to own a gun. Maybe your military experiences have left you somewhat paranoid about attacks or something, but personally i believe that if you are so afraid or someone intruding on your home and killing your family for no good reason, then you really have to rethink that and look at the bigger picture, because thats not very likely

-You can choose to have an M-16 in your home but to me, its quite frightening.
Keep this in mind Sam: assault rifles are designed and meant to be pointed at another human being with the intention of wounding them or killing them. Cars are designed and meant to transport humans from point A to point B, they arent designed to kill or hurt them. If a car kills someone, its generally by accident; if a gun kills someone, its generally on purpose.

-I am not really following your analogy in this paragraph. One man envying and wanting another man's faster car is reasonable . . the car is an object of lust, it is an attractive machine, it is not meant to hurt or kill anyone. One man wanting another man's firearm because its more powerful and can shoot faster at longer ranges with higher caliber bullets, to me, is unreasonable. Why would one want the faster, higher powered gun? If its to protect their family, as you say, then it is to kill the enemy with more ease. I dont think killing people is a good thing, Sam.

-I have no interest in how many americans own these weapons because im sure its a high number, and that definatley frightens me. Knowing that so many people own machines that are designed to wound/kill others isn't a pleasant image to me, Sam.

-I was forced to do Riflery back when i was younger and went to overnight camp. I hated it, I found it scary that we were being forced to shoot weapons that could kill people. A couple buddys and I formed a little group "CAR" that summer, (CAR = Campers Against Riflery)

-Thanks for clearing up the fact that the rifle wasn't designed for killing, but rather for injuring. Nonetheless, if you injure someone enough, you will kill them. . . so by the transitive property, it is still meant to kill.