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sonofabeach wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

thegoatgod wrote:sorry to hear about the bad day wayne, i usta work as a telemarketer, and i know how some people could be, but im sure you have it 100 times worse when the people decide to call you

just remember everything is gonna be alright in the long run

thanks the work thing just started it
I mean to be Flipped off by a COP?????

that has happened a time or two before but those are LOOOOONNNNG
stories..

wasn't Garry was it?

NO Gary Lives in Iowa and I live in Idaho..

ragtopW wrote:

sonofabeach wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

thegoatgod wrote:sorry to hear about the bad day wayne, i usta work as a telemarketer, and i know how some people could be, but im sure you have it 100 times worse when the people decide to call you

just remember everything is gonna be alright in the long run

thanks the work thing just started it
I mean to be Flipped off by a COP?????

that has happened a time or two before but those are LOOOOONNNNG
stories..

wasn't Garry was it?

NO Gary Lives in Iowa and I live in Idaho..

there's not a lot of difference between the two...

Sorry to hear about your bad day.
I hope it gets better.

(I know it could have been worse: A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

BBC story

I'll take a p***-off cop over a scared one any day.

bravedave wrote:Sorry to hear about your bad day.
I hope it gets better.

(I know it could have been worse: A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

BBC story

I'll take a p***-off cop over a scared one any day.

Figured this was going to be a bad end to the story. The eyewitnesses said the guy was on the ground when the police shot him. I just hope they don't use the, "he was runnin', he was guilty" defense to support the actions.

"If" the guy ran away or resisted then he got what was coming to him.
If you are innocent then just raise your hands, don't run.
The last thing I would do is run from the cops right after or near where the bombings happened.

sonofabeach wrote:"If" the guy ran away or resisted then he got what was coming to him.
If you are innocent then just raise your hands, don't run.
The last thing I would do is run from the cops right after or near where the bombings happened.

depends on if it was a uniformed officer giving chase, or a plainclothesman in my book. If it is the former, and I have nothing to hide, sure. If it is some guys with guns chasing me, I am doing my level best to get away. Not all London's finest are armed.

Moreover, the eye witnesses were describing the guy as down, cowering, looking like a scared rabbit when the shots were fired.

sonofabeach wrote:"If" the guy ran away or resisted then he got what was coming to him.
If you are innocent then just raise your hands, don't run.
The last thing I would do is run from the cops right after or near where the bombings happened.

Politely disagree.
"Contempt of cop" is not a capital offense.

We're all guilty of something. Nobody's perfect.

They say stupidity should be painful, not fatal.

I'm sorry those guys had such a bad day (the cops and the dead guy.)
Glad it wasn't me.

I'm just thinking he must have done something wrong to get shot fives times.
I guess we'll see.

RinglingRingling wrote:depends on if it was a uniformed officer giving chase, or a plainclothesman in my book.

All reports that I have seen indicate it was plainclothes cops who had him under surveillance, gave chase, and fired the shots that killed him.

Sounds a lot like the "Amadou Diallo" (sp?) case in NYC a few years back.
He was an immigrant who got shot over forty times by a handful of plainclothes cops as he was reaching for his wallet.

bravedave wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:depends on if it was a uniformed officer giving chase, or a plainclothesman in my book.

All reports that I have seen indicate it was plainclothes cops who had him under surveillance, gave chase, and fired the shots that killed him.

Sounds a lot like the "Amadou Diallo" (sp?) case in NYC a few years back.
He was an immigrant who got shot over forty times by a handful of plainclothes cops as he was reaching for his wallet.

kinda my thought too. Adrenaline in control, reptile brain doing all the thinking. The hard/troubling part of the story is that if the guy is down, you don't shoot him, especially not multiple times.

From the latest AP story on the wire:

"Some Muslims and civil libertarians expressed concern about the police's Stockwell station shooting of the suspect - described by witnesses as being of South Asian appearance and wearing a heavy padded coat. Police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him in the head and torso, a witness said."

RinglingRingling wrote:kinda my thought too. Adrenaline in control, reptile brain doing all the thinking. The hard/troubling part of the story is that if the guy is down, you don't shoot him, especially not multiple times.

The cops had been given the green light (to shoot-to-kill) to prevent someone from detonating a bomb.

A perfect storm.

bravedave wrote:
They say stupidity should be painful, not fatal.

I'm sorry those guys had such a bad day (the cops and the dead guy.)
Glad it wasn't me.

1: Witnesses report seeing up to 20 plain clothes police officers chase a man into Stockwell Tube station from the street
2: One person says the man vaulted the automatic ticket barriers as he made his way to the platforms
3: The most direct route is via this escalator or the staircase that sits alongside it
4: Police challenge the man but he apparently refuses to obey instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead

Oh yeah the article said he was followed by police when he he was seen leaving the (safe) house. Could be he was just a stooge so the police now have to think twice before they react. This sort of pressure on them is going to use resources that could better be used elsewhere and have every cop rethink his or her position...and inthat monment ...it could cost them or alot of other people thier lives.

I dunno and would not be so sure of that....I am pretty sure there is a name for it..... Darwinism in Action

http://www.darwinawards.com/

I do agree it was A REALLY BAD DAY for ALL concerned. Was the guy carrying a backpack or anything that could have held an explosive device?
After such attacks anyone carrying anything like that is suspect....

Anyone ever heard or seen Chris Rock do that skit /spiel about Police and he shows the right and wrong way to react when stopped by a cop?

Wow I actually agree with Sam ....and Chris Rock

How to not get your @$$ kicked by the police
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2458063?htv=12

bravedave wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:kinda my thought too. Adrenaline in control, reptile brain doing all the thinking. The hard/troubling part of the story is that if the guy is down, you don't shoot him, especially not multiple times.

The cops had been given the green light (to shoot-to-kill) to prevent someone from detonating a bomb.

A perfect storm.

uff da.

sonofabeach wrote:Wow I actually agree with Sam ....and Chris Rock

How to not get your @$$ kicked by the police
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2458063?htv=12

Bro, We gotta hook up sometime and have a few cold ones and maybe find something to burn on the grill!!!

BD,
I disagree with the comparison with the guy reaching for his wallet and was shot numerous times.

If the shooting went down like that.... there was a known threat...people have been injured and killed. As you said they were given a green light to shoot, in the case in London..... I don't think this investigation is going to do any good at all....for anyone...The guy ran AFTER BEING CHALLENGED!
Why did the guy runfor so long and jump the turnstyles after being seen leaving the safe house? What was he afraid of?Why did the guy go to the ground? Could he have been wearing a device and knowing he was discovered went to ground and wait until the cops were on him to take a few out with himself ? I do not blame the cops for this.....From what little I know of this tragic situation, he set the wheels in motion did it to himself.

IMNSHO, the media and the community are going to make this guy a martyr for the terrs and give the police a black-eye AND a fat lip. Ruining the careers, and image of some very fine police officers there and all over the world.

The cops and good guys have to be Right all the time..... the terrs and bad guys only have to be Right only once.

RR,
yumping yimminy, by golly ollie!

I hope nobody thinks I'm blaming the London police on this one.
I don't necessarily blame the NYC cops for the Diallo shooting.
True-- the buck stops with them, but I wouldn't take any amount of money to walk in their shoes.

Sam, the comparisons I see with the Amadou Diallo case are:
Immigrants (sets up a case of language barrier)
Plainclothes cops (not necessarily identifiable as "good guys")
Shooting to kill (which is SOP, barring other circumstances)
An assumption that anybody who runs must be guilty of something
Groupthink (if something were not right here, someone else would call it)
and
Stressed-out mental functioning (the "tunnel vision" effect associated with adrenaline)

I'm not saying I blame these cops.
I just think some of these very natural human phenomena were at work in both cases.

The factor that turned this event into a perfect storm is the green light to shoot presumptive threats before they can detonate (or, conversely, before they can be identified as 'no threat')

Sorry to hear about your crummy day, Wayne. In the "misery loves company" category, I can TOTALLY relate. I spent eight years as a Customer Service Rep (read that as "listen to people yell at you because they think you stole their money!") for Time Life.

Sometimes, the best you can do is just "Survive" and "Stay Alive" (note the Buffett reference! ) until you get home into your nest.

At least we have each other!!!!
FEEL THE LOVE WAYNE! FEEL THE LOVE!!!!

phjrsaunt wrote:Sorry to hear about your crummy day, Wayne. In the "misery loves company" category, I can TOTALLY relate. I spent eight years as a Customer Service Rep (read that as "listen to people yell at you because they think you stole their money!") for Time Life.

Sometimes, the best you can do is just "Survive" and "Stay Alive" (note the Buffett reference! ) until you get home into your nest.

At least we have each other!!!!
FEEL THE LOVE WAYNE! FEEL THE LOVE!!!!

sometime, remind me to tell you about the 8 months taking CS billing calls sometime...

RinglingRingling wrote:

phjrsaunt wrote:Sorry to hear about your crummy day, Wayne. In the "misery loves company" category, I can TOTALLY relate. I spent eight years as a Customer Service Rep (read that as "listen to people yell at you because they think you stole their money!") for Time Life.

Sometimes, the best you can do is just "Survive" and "Stay Alive" (note the Buffett reference! ) until you get home into your nest.

At least we have each other!!!!
FEEL THE LOVE WAYNE! FEEL THE LOVE!!!!

sometime, remind me to tell you about the 8 months taking CS billing calls sometime...

Only 8 MONTHS???? Shoot. That's nuthin'! You didn't even have time to realize how much EASIER it is to listen to customers yell at you if you have a couple of beers at lunch!

phjrsaunt wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

phjrsaunt wrote:Sorry to hear about your crummy day, Wayne. In the "misery loves company" category, I can TOTALLY relate. I spent eight years as a Customer Service Rep (read that as "listen to people yell at you because they think you stole their money!") for Time Life.

Sometimes, the best you can do is just "Survive" and "Stay Alive" (note the Buffett reference! ) until you get home into your nest.

At least we have each other!!!!
FEEL THE LOVE WAYNE! FEEL THE LOVE!!!!

sometime, remind me to tell you about the 8 months taking CS billing calls sometime...

Only 8 MONTHS???? Shoot. That's nuthin'! You didn't even have time to realize how much EASIER it is to listen to customers yell at you if you have a couple of beers at lunch!

no, then I moved up to Supervisor, and got to take escalations...