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Here is what bothers me the most about this whole rehashed fiasco:

NEW YORK (AP) - An elderly grandmother in New York, who says she unknowingly bought her 14-year old grandson a racy video game, is suing the maker of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" and its parent company.

The operative word in there is unknowingly. For crying out loud, the game has been in the news since the second one came out. Yes, there are hidden sex scenes in it, it is marked mature to begin with. You run around and beat hookers with a baseball bat. The game should not be in the hands of children even without the sex scenes. It's called responsibility. I have so many issues with this.....grrrrrr......

Just had to get that off my chest.[/i]

sy wrote:*sigh*

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provid ... ID=4997141

Here is what bothers me the most about this whole rehashed fiasco:

NEW YORK (AP) - An elderly grandmother in New York, who says she unknowingly bought her 14-year old grandson a racy video game, is suing the maker of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" and its parent company.

The operative word in there is unknowingly. For crying out loud, the game has been in the news since the second one came out. Yes, there are hidden sex scenes in it, it is marked mature to begin with. You run around and beat hookers with a baseball bat. The game should not be in the hands of children even without the sex scenes. It's called responsibility. I have so many issues with this.....grrrrrr......

Just had to get that off my chest.[/i]

Considering she was an elderly grandmother..... she probably just told him to get what he wanted or never looked at it and has limited no knowledge of computers nor understood what it all meant.

I don't know about the suing part of this.......I do think "Hollywood" and the writers and producers, etc of such games do need to be held accountable and liable.... Killing cops??? abusing women??? stealing cars??? I am afraid to consider what next depraved low and beyond that they are going to sink too.

This should serve as a "WAKE-UP" call and teach them to be more responsible and adult about what they create and produce. HOW-SO-EVER
They have had many WAKE-UP calls.......that they continue to ignore.

THis is not about being extreme, it is just about being responsible...Do we want people killing cops and abusing women??? Before it was slaying monsters and daemons and such........ We have people protesting hunting games and safari games that kill virtual animals and endangered species.....yet not many are protesting this game that teaches killing of cops and battery of women....

Sam wrote:Considering she was an elderly grandmother..... she probably just told him to get what he wanted or never looked at it and has limited no knowledge of computers nor understood what it all meant.

I don't know about the suing part of this.......I do think "Hollywood" and the writers and producers, etc of such games do need to be held accountable and liable.... Killing cops??? abusing women??? stealing cars??? I am afraid to consider what next depraved low and beyond that they are going to sink too.

This should serve as a "WAKE-UP" call and teach them to be more responsible and adult about what they create and produce. HOW-SO-EVER
They have had many WAKE-UP calls.......that they continue to ignore.

THis is not about being extreme, it is just about being responsible...Do we want people killing cops and abusing women??? Before it was slaying monsters and daemons and such........ We have people protesting hunting games and safari games that kill virtual animals and endangered species.....yet not many are protesting this game that teaches killing of cops and battery of women....

But see, this is where parently responsibility comes in. I own that game, as I own many other games I would never put in the hands of children. Many of the people I work with and I play together. It is fun, to us. Not one of us would put it in the hands of their children. I believe that it is not the responsibility of the companies to stop producing mature products that are unsuitable for children, because there is no reason for that. If a game, movie, or album is rated mature for adult themes, then that's pretty obvious that it is not for children. There are video games out there based completely on how many women you can sleep with and how well you can seduce them, there are bloody, gory games, tons of them. They are all labelled mature and not for sale to minors.

I believe it all comes back to parents blaming society for the way their children turn out when it's their responsibility to bring them up and educate them.

This is just my opinion, and is in no way directed to anyone in particular, and is certainly not in any way trashing any of your comment, Sam.

sy wrote:

Sam wrote:Considering she was an elderly grandmother..... she probably just told him to get what he wanted or never looked at it and has limited no knowledge of computers nor understood what it all meant.

I don't know about the suing part of this.......I do think "Hollywood" and the writers and producers, etc of such games do need to be held accountable and liable.... Killing cops??? abusing women??? stealing cars??? I am afraid to consider what next depraved low and beyond that they are going to sink too.

This should serve as a "WAKE-UP" call and teach them to be more responsible and adult about what they create and produce. HOW-SO-EVER
They have had many WAKE-UP calls.......that they continue to ignore.

THis is not about being extreme, it is just about being responsible...Do we want people killing cops and abusing women??? Before it was slaying monsters and daemons and such........ We have people protesting hunting games and safari games that kill virtual animals and endangered species.....yet not many are protesting this game that teaches killing of cops and battery of women....

But see, this is where parently responsibility comes in. I own that game, as I own many other games I would never put in the hands of children. Many of the people I work with and I play together. It is fun, to us. Not one of us would put it in the hands of their children. I believe that it is not the responsibility of the companies to stop producing mature products that are unsuitable for children, because there is no reason for that. If a game, movie, or album is rated mature for adult themes, then that's pretty obvious that it is not for children. There are video games out there based completely on how many women you can sleep with and how well you can seduce them, there are bloody, gory games, tons of them. They are all labelled mature and not for sale to minors.

I believe it all comes back to parents blaming society for the way their children turn out when it's their responsibility to bring them up and educate them.

This is just my opinion, and is in no way directed to anyone in particular, and is certainly not in any way trashing any of your comment, Sam.

No problem...
A few points of order though, if you will allow.
The game WAS NOT marketed nor described as being for adults. If it had been then that would different.
The makers of the game have admitted they knew the content was in the game for some time now.
I agree with you about the games with realistic gore and what not. They are marketed as such so a person can clearly tell them....
I do hold makers and marketers of games and movies glorifying such conduct to be at least partly responsible, after all they did create and market it. Don't get me wrong,...I am not a prude...but I do believe in GIGO ( Garbage In, Garbage Out) and the majority of things on tv are nothing but GIGO...There is very little I find of interest on tv or coming out of Hollywood to be of interest.

You have played the game....I have not.

This particular game may well be fun and interesting to adults....it is a far cry from RPG slaying monsters or space aliens.

I can see a use for say a game about al Qaeda to be used for contingency planning and training of appropriate personel. Like it or not the games can or do teach tactics and stradegy...to a certain extent anyway, and I hope no police officer ever gets injured or killed or no woman ever gets beaten raped and abused or someone gets killed or carjacked because some weakminded geek got it into his head that he wanted to apply or try it in real life...and be the next "Scarface" or whatever...

I just don't like the idea of the idea of a game where stealing cars and killing cops and beating/raping women. Is it ok for adults...??? That is their choice to make.... not many adults that play the game would ever think of doing such in realife anyway, and are not as easily impressed as some teens are.... We already know that teens get alcohol from somewhere .......and no doubt they get all kinds of other things and contraband as well,...bootlegging a game would be "childs play" for them...That is my opinion...

The grandmother was/is 84 years old. I feel she probably had no or little idea about the game or it's content or about computers in general, and wanted to give her grandson something he wanted.
No mention of the kid's parents have been made. Are they in the military and in Iraq or elsewhere? At work??? Are they divorced /separated? Alive? In prison? Where were/are they?
In this day and age it is not unusal, for a parent not to be home,...with the neccessity of two incomes, both are usually working, leaving alot of free time for the keets... So while it is the parents responsibility to monitor their keet....it is not always possible.
Keets are individuals. I don't blame all of society on their outcome good or bad, but no doubt the exposure they give to an impressionable mind will have some effect .... it maybe good and it may be bad....it depends on the individual....
Parents do the best they can to raise a child properly...no one knows how he or she will turn out until the keet becomes an adult and decides for him or herself. HOPEFULLY the parents intilled the right things and the keet will be capable of making the right decisions...

Again I blame the creators and the marketers...they clearly knew what the product was and they created it....I dunno if the grandmother should neccessarily be suing though.....but something must be done....

We have one of the greatest learning and entertaining and educational tools in the world...The whole world at our fingertips.... Just what are we teaching with it??? Killing cops, stealing cars, beating/raping women is acceptable and fun????

I have GTA:Vice City (the one befor GTA: San Andreas)
It's an AWESOME game. And that's just it, it's a game.
Sam and Sy, you both make excellant points. But I can help but think of the old addage, ignorance is no excuse. The game is clearly labeled.
But then again, Sam you probly right about the grandmother telling him to just pick out something. But why does everyone have to sue at the drop of a hat?

Pretty soon, games like GTA:SA will be placed in the "ADULT" section

Sam wrote: No problem...
A few points of order though, if you will allow.
The game WAS NOT marketed nor described as being for adults. If it had been then that would different.
The makers of the game have admitted they knew the content was in the game for some time now.

Very good point, I had actually forgotten that.

Sam wrote:Keets are individuals. I don't blame all of society on their outcome good or bad, but no doubt the exposure they give to an impressionable mind will have some effect .... it maybe good and it may be bad....it depends on the individual....
Parents do the best they can to raise a child properly...no one knows how he or she will turn out until the keet becomes an adult and decides for him or herself. HOPEFULLY the parents intilled the right things and the keet will be capable of making the right decisions...

That's more my point than griping about suing the game. Instead of suing, I feel the grandmother should have just yanked the game, and probably asked the child why he chose that game and why did he want to play it. I conned my parents into buying things I shouldn't have had (of course, movies and games weren't nearly as bad back then), and when my mom would figure it out, she would yank it and talk to ME. She would yell, but I would understand why she was yelling and in the end, yes, I'd be ticked, but she didn't run off blaming the maker of the game and therefore, displacing the blame from me and ultimately her for buying it.

This is the problem with suing the maker, and it's the same problem as when parents and people blame media or society for their child's issues; it shows the child that they don't have to be responsible, and that someone else can be. I mean this very generally, and not necessarily in direct correlation to this game, because yes, in this case, the maker has been quite shady about it all along, and yes, that is wrong.

Sam wrote:We have one of the greatest learning and entertaining and educational tools in the world...The whole world at our fingertips.... Just what are we teaching with it??? Killing cops, stealing cars, beating/raping women is acceptable and fun????

I guess it goes back to why are a lot of things acceptable. People have complained high and low about South Park and other shows and how they need to be on very late or not at all. That's fine, and I think that's a good choice (on late). But then, when I'm home during the day, I flip through the trash that is daytime tv and see bickering courtrooms, trashy talk shows, and promiscuous soap operas. Now, I do watch some of this trash, too, so I'm certainly not putting it down, but truthfully, it is trash. It's idle entertainment for adults. It's up to parents or those watching the children to make sure that either the child fully understands what he/she is watching, or they shouldn't be watching it at all.

Sidew13 wrote:I have GTA:Vice City (the one befor GTA: San Andreas)
It's an AWESOME game. And that's just it, it's a game.
Sam and Sy, you both make excellant points. But I can help but think of the old addage, ignorance is no excuse. The game is clearly labeled.
But then again, Sam you probly right about the grandmother telling him to just pick out something. But why does everyone have to sue at the drop of a hat?

Pretty soon, games like GTA:SA will be placed in the "ADULT" section

You know, I have yet to ever see an 'adult' section, and I have no idea why they don't just do that? They do it with movies, why not games?

This is why old people should just be killed...

nycparrothead wrote:This is why old people should just be killed...

BWAHH!!!!


But you'll be old eventually, too

sy wrote:

nycparrothead wrote:This is why old people should just be killed...

BWAHH!!!!


But you'll be old eventually, too

And I expect that you'll do the world a favor and kill me before I become a burden on society...

To be fair, the game was marked M for mature, signaling that it's meant for people 17 and over. Notwithstanding the recently discovered sex scenes, I believe it was sold that way from the get go.

Grandma should have gone with a T rated game, despite the rugrat's clamor for GTA. Or she should have at least let the parents know what she was planning to do so they could exercise their veto power.

nycparrothead wrote:

sy wrote:

nycparrothead wrote:This is why old people should just be killed...

BWAHH!!!!


But you'll be old eventually, too

And I expect that you'll do the world a favor and kill me before I become a burden on society...

Well then I hope the same for myself

Blonde Stranger wrote:To be fair, the game was marked M for mature, signaling that it's meant for people 17 and over. Notwithstanding the recently discovered sex scenes, I believe it was sold that way from the get go.

[note to self]
must buy game and discover sex scenes
[/end note]

now the old game GTA:VC allowed you to run a p*** movie studio and a strip club
and you could have a sports car, pick up a hooker, take her to a secluded spot and watch the car srart rockin

Jay Leno had an interesting quote about this a couple days ago. Something like, "It was okay to steal cars and recklessly kill people, but bring up sex, and you're in a whole new ballpark!"

Sidew13 wrote:

Blonde Stranger wrote:To be fair, the game was marked M for mature, signaling that it's meant for people 17 and over. Notwithstanding the recently discovered sex scenes, I believe it was sold that way from the get go.

[note to self]
must buy game and discover sex scenes
[/end note]

now the old game GTA:VC allowed you to run a p*** movie studio and a strip club
and you could have a sports car, pick up a hooker, take her to a secluded spot and watch the car srart rockin

From what I understand the "scene" that has causes so much controversy is a mod that must be downloaded from the internet. I did my undergrad senior thesis on realism in video games and one of the games I studied was GTA: Vice City it is interesting to see these games in the news after studying them.

Sidew13 wrote:But why does everyone have to sue at the drop of a hat?

Because they can. And it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault.

LIPH wrote:

Sidew13 wrote:But why does everyone have to sue at the drop of a hat?

Because they can. And it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault.

Fine. I'm sueing you for taking too much of Tina's time

Word of the day: litigious

jonesbeach10 wrote:Jay Leno had an interesting quote about this a couple days ago. Something like, "It was okay to steal cars and recklessly kill people, but bring up sex, and you're in a whole new ballpark!"

Well said. Just look at movies. All the bad language, death and destruction you can handle and they slap and "R" on it. Take all of that away and throw in some nudity......same rating.

Around here if the kids buy something I don't like their money or mine, I take it. Their loss. Teenage kids know exactly what they're buying. Her grandson knew. So take the game from him, smack him in the head for buying it and make him pay her back. The end.
And yes I love the idea of an adult section of video games.