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FFishstick wrote: This is gettin kind of old, don't ya think?

THINK? I KNOW.

SMLCHNG wrote:

Shut up. Yes. SHUT UP. Most everyone is pretty tired of hearing the bickering, etc..

Please and thank you.

With all due respect, there is only one person left on this Earth who has earned the right to order me around like that, and I severely doubt my father posts here.

That said, I bid you goodnight.

rednekkPH wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:
Shut up. Yes. SHUT UP. Most everyone is pretty tired of hearing the bickering, etc..
Please and thank you.

With all due respect, there is only one person left on this Earth who has earned the right to order me around like that, and I severely doubt my father posts here.
That said, I bid you goodnight.

With all due respect to your father, Frank? Point taken.



It's just that the bickering is getting old. Fast.

rednekkPH wrote: I severely doubt my father posts here..

I couldnt resist....

It is now being reported that the steroids found in Palmeiro couldn't have been found as an ingrediant in his Viagr- I mean over-the-counter drugs. Basically, he knowingly took the steroids and then lied to us when he said he didn't know he was taking them.

"I did not take steroids!"

Yeah Right!
"You are a complete a$$!"

ToplessRideFL wrote:

rednekkPH wrote: I severely doubt my father posts here..

I couldnt resist....

Couldn't resist what?

Report says that the steriod found in his system was "potent" and not available in dietary supplements or in Viagra

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113

The problem of atheletes taking performance enhancing drugs or herbs dates back to the early Roman times and early Olympics. Not only are the athletes themselves responsible for their doping but in the early 1900's thru 1960's the trainers, owners and coaches also participated in doping professional athletes. In fact cocaine did not become an "illegal" drug until 1915, after the passing of the Harrison Act of 1914. Prior to that, cocaine could be found in soft drinks and purchased over the counter at your grocery store. Amphemedines (sp) were given to our solders in WWII to combat fatigue. Unfortunately the history of the world is filled with some sort of drug/herb use to enhance either performance or mental awareness (or so it was believed).

It wasn't until the late 1960's did the governing bodies of professional sports make the use of drugs a violation of league rules. IMHO any question of a player's historic achievements should NOT be considered because back then doping was not against the rules and was in fact quite the norm. Not that I think it was right but since it wasn't wrong then I don't think it's right for us to consider their records invalid because of possible participation in a practice that was common and the norm at that time.

I do not support the use of Steroids or any performance enhancing substance. After listening to a detailed report on KGO radio yesterday, it is clear that if the 2005 standards were to apply to all baseball history, there would not be many records without a little asterisk next to them. It is also clear that MLB would never place that asterisk next to the name of a player only suspected of using such a substance, there would need to be positive proof or admition of such use, even then, many of these substances were not rules violations prior to the 2005 season. The records stand! Unfortunately this is a problem of society and it's acceptance of such practice. We (the fans) buy tickets and merchandise, and the league and the owners percieve that we like the faster pitching, the long ball homeruns, and the higher scores. They jack up the prices, and we (the fans) continue to pay.

Until the 2005 season in MLB there was no policy restricting the use of steroids and other performance enhancing chemicals. Although some of these substances are not legal in the U.S., they are legal in other countries such as the Dominican Republic. If an athelete were to take these substances off of US soil, they are not breaking any laws, and as prior to the 2005 season, they were not breaking any MLB rules. Therefore, any athelete not admitting or proven to have used these substances on U.S. soil prior to this MLB season, their records should not be looked at as invalid.

The quote from this article speaks to the pre 2005 drug policy in the MLB, and statistics from the MLB "survey" drug testing suggests that the use of performance enhancing substances including steroids was common practice.

"In addition to not having a mandatory drug testing policy, presently baseball is the only major sport that does not test for recreational drugs. In fact the only testing that MLB actually does is a “survey” testing for steroids (a policy which is only valid through the 2004 season). Under this policy players are only allowed to be tested twice a year - once in the spring and once during the regular season - and these tests are easy to get around according to insiders. Even with this pitiful excuse for testing, it is written into the policy, that a player testing positive will receive no punishment!"

NEW YORK (AP) -- Rafael Palmeiro's positive steroid test was for stanozolol, a powerful anabolic steroid that is not available in dietary supplements, according to a newspaper report.

The New York Times, citing a person in baseball with direct knowledge of the sport's drug-testing program, reported on its Web site Tuesday that Palmeiro tested positive for the drug known by the brand name Winstrol, most notably linked to the Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson of Canada.

I was at Camden Yards the day before this happened. They have a huge Congratulations Raffy 3000 banner hanging on one of the buildings next door. I can only wonder what people think when they see that banner now....

Ilph wrote:I was at Camden Yards the day before this happened. They have a huge Congratulations Raffy 3000 banner hanging on one of the buildings next door. I can only wonder what people think when they see that banner now....

It has been reported by the Baltimore Sun that the banner has been taken down.

aeroparrot wrote:

Ilph wrote:I was at Camden Yards the day before this happened. They have a huge Congratulations Raffy 3000 banner hanging on one of the buildings next door. I can only wonder what people think when they see that banner now....

It has been reported by the Baltimore Sun that the banner has been taken down.

Yeah, I didn't expect that it would be up there too long.

now....

they're talking about sending him back to congress for possible perjury charges!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

uh-oh Raffy! looks like you got some 'splainin' to do!

Lightning Bolt wrote:now....

they're talking about sending him back to congress for possible perjury charges!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

uh-oh Raffy! looks like you got some 'splainin' to do!

I heard somewhere that he could only be charged for perjury if it was proven that he had done steroids in the past, before he testified. Anything after that, is a different case.