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aeroparrot wrote:

LIPH wrote:

jonesbeach10 wrote:Is he still HOF worthy? I'm especially interested for those who thought he was before the suspension.










I say no.

I said no before and I haven't changed my mind.

The HOF cannot be just for offensive players. He is not a great defensive player and only reason why he won the Gold Glove is because he played 10 games at first and then DH for the rest of the year (I can't remember the year) and he didn't have any errors. He won the gold glove for First.

jonesbeach10 wrote:The thing with that argument about hand-eye coordination is that most everyone who plays professional baseball from single-A to the bigs has great eye-hand coordination. There are bery few position players who make it far because of their fielding. Power often separates a career minor-leaguer from a superstar in the bigs. To some I guess, the 'roids get them over that hump and get them the $$$. Remember the minimum salary is 300K per year and the average is over $2 million.

I find it ironic that after Canseco published his book, most all of the players mentioned in the book raised a red flag and adamently denied it. However, you'd think some of them might sue Canseco for basically hurting their rep...if it was really false. However, no one has done that. One of those players is Bret Boone. He is having a horrible year at the plate. He was already released once and may be again before the year is out. You can tell that he is one of those players who "is off the 'roids."

However, as we've seen in Jason Giambi this past month, hard work can bring you back to MLB form.

RAGTOP wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:One thing no one has mentioned is that Palmero COULD be arrested and tried for perjury to Congress for his testimony. He could be sent to prison for it.

never happen. They have no way of knowing if he was on roids when he made the statement. He could just say I started taking them after my testimony.

aeroparrot wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:One thing no one has mentioned is that Palmero COULD be arrested and tried for perjury to Congress for his testimony. He could be sent to prison for it.

never happen. They have no way of knowing if he was on roids when he made the statement. He could just say I started taking them after my testimony.

Or even say that he didn't know that the stuff he was taking included the banned substances.

RinglingRingling wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:One thing no one has mentioned is that Palmero COULD be arrested and tried for perjury to Congress for his testimony. He could be sent to prison for it.

never happen. They have no way of knowing if he was on roids when he made the statement. He could just say I started taking them after my testimony.

Or even say that he didn't know that the stuff he was taking included the banned substances.

on the arrest, probably not. That is something he is going to have to wake up in the middle of the nights and soul-search over. As for the majority of the 90s stars who mysteriously put on 40 pounds of muscle as they got older (like Bonds), it's pretty simple: we can't prove you cheated, but we can treat you like cancer and excise you.

And before anyone says anything: if you can keep Rose out for his off-field transgressions, or let Cobb in with his on-field transgressions, you can certainly keep a bunch of guys with suspect numbers out to the point they have to go in on the legacy ballot. The person who raised the point about Canseco's book being false resulting in lawsuits for defamation is right. Asterisk the hell out of the record book if you want to keep them, but for me, the span from about 1988-2004, the majority of records don't count.

aeroparrot wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:One thing no one has mentioned is that Palmero COULD be arrested and tried for perjury to Congress for his testimony. He could be sent to prison for it.

never happen. They have no way of knowing if he was on roids when he made the statement. He could just say I started taking them after my testimony.

Or even say that he didn't know that the stuff he was taking included the banned substances.

on the arrest, probably not. That is something he is going to have to wake up in the middle of the nights and soul-search over. As for the majority of the 90s stars who mysteriously put on 40 pounds of muscle as they got older (like Bonds), it's pretty simple: we can't prove you cheated, but we can treat you like cancer and excise you.

And before anyone says anything: if you can keep Rose out for his off-field transgressions, or let Cobb in with his on-field transgressions, you can certainly keep a bunch of guys with suspect numbers out to the point they have to go in on the legacy ballot. The person who raised the point about Canseco's book being false resulting in lawsuits for defamation is right. Asterisk the hell out of the record book if you want to keep them, but for me, the span from about 1988-2004, the majority of records don't count.

Now I have heard that Bonds is going to sit out the rest of the year. Coincindence? I think not.

tequilatom wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:One thing no one has mentioned is that Palmero COULD be arrested and tried for perjury to Congress for his testimony. He could be sent to prison for it.

never happen. They have no way of knowing if he was on roids when he made the statement. He could just say I started taking them after my testimony.

Or even say that he didn't know that the stuff he was taking included the banned substances.

on the arrest, probably not. That is something he is going to have to wake up in the middle of the nights and soul-search over. As for the majority of the 90s stars who mysteriously put on 40 pounds of muscle as they got older (like Bonds), it's pretty simple: we can't prove you cheated, but we can treat you like cancer and excise you.

And before anyone says anything: if you can keep Rose out for his off-field transgressions, or let Cobb in with his on-field transgressions, you can certainly keep a bunch of guys with suspect numbers out to the point they have to go in on the legacy ballot. The person who raised the point about Canseco's book being false resulting in lawsuits for defamation is right. Asterisk the hell out of the record book if you want to keep them, but for me, the span from about 1988-2004, the majority of records don't count.

Now I have heard that Bonds is going to sit out the rest of the year. Coincindence? I think not.

i've been saying all year that he is trying to clean out his system.

tequilatom wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:One thing no one has mentioned is that Palmero COULD be arrested and tried for perjury to Congress for his testimony. He could be sent to prison for it.

never happen. They have no way of knowing if he was on roids when he made the statement. He could just say I started taking them after my testimony.

Or even say that he didn't know that the stuff he was taking included the banned substances.

on the arrest, probably not. That is something he is going to have to wake up in the middle of the nights and soul-search over. As for the majority of the 90s stars who mysteriously put on 40 pounds of muscle as they got older (like Bonds), it's pretty simple: we can't prove you cheated, but we can treat you like cancer and excise you.

And before anyone says anything: if you can keep Rose out for his off-field transgressions, or let Cobb in with his on-field transgressions, you can certainly keep a bunch of guys with suspect numbers out to the point they have to go in on the legacy ballot. The person who raised the point about Canseco's book being false resulting in lawsuits for defamation is right. Asterisk the hell out of the record book if you want to keep them, but for me, the span from about 1988-2004, the majority of records don't count.

Now I have heard that Bonds is going to sit out the rest of the year. Coincindence? I think not.

i've been saying all year that he is trying to clean out his system.

DisisDave wrote:Since there seemed to be much debate on the HOF before, I bet Palmero takes the fall here and doesn't get in, and rightfully so...if only brittle Barry tried to play this year we might have seen his fall too.
I wouldn't be suprised if Barry never played again.

RAGTOP wrote:

tequilatom wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RAGTOP wrote: never happen. They have no way of knowing if he was on roids when he made the statement. He could just say I started taking them after my testimony.

Or even say that he didn't know that the stuff he was taking included the banned substances.

on the arrest, probably not. That is something he is going to have to wake up in the middle of the nights and soul-search over. As for the majority of the 90s stars who mysteriously put on 40 pounds of muscle as they got older (like Bonds), it's pretty simple: we can't prove you cheated, but we can treat you like cancer and excise you.

And before anyone says anything: if you can keep Rose out for his off-field transgressions, or let Cobb in with his on-field transgressions, you can certainly keep a bunch of guys with suspect numbers out to the point they have to go in on the legacy ballot. The person who raised the point about Canseco's book being false resulting in lawsuits for defamation is right. Asterisk the hell out of the record book if you want to keep them, but for me, the span from about 1988-2004, the majority of records don't count.

Now I have heard that Bonds is going to sit out the rest of the year. Coincindence? I think not.

i've been saying all year that he is trying to clean out his system.

I could be wrong but I believe he is still eligiable to be drug tested even though he is not playing.

RAGTOP wrote:it's a shame that they will elect Palmerio, Sosa, Bonds etc into the Hall of Fame and yet Jim Rice will always be on the outside looking in

tequilatom wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:it's a shame that they will elect Palmerio, Sosa, Bonds etc into the Hall of Fame and yet Jim Rice will always be on the outside looking in

what hurt Rice was he wasn't media friendly. If you see him on NESN he comes accross as the nicest guy in the world.

Bonds isn't media friendly and there are others that are in. Rice should be there. I think next year he will. It's a very week class next year.

aeroparrot wrote:

tequilatom wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:it's a shame that they will elect Palmerio, Sosa, Bonds etc into the Hall of Fame and yet Jim Rice will always be on the outside looking in

what hurt Rice was he wasn't media friendly. If you see him on NESN he comes accross as the nicest guy in the world.

Bonds isn't media friendly and there are others that are in. Rice should be there. I think next year he will. It's a very week class next year.

If Bonds gets in (with or without the steriods question) then Rice MUST get in.

tequilatom wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

tequilatom wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

aeroparrot wrote: Or even say that he didn't know that the stuff he was taking included the banned substances.

on the arrest, probably not. That is something he is going to have to wake up in the middle of the nights and soul-search over. As for the majority of the 90s stars who mysteriously put on 40 pounds of muscle as they got older (like Bonds), it's pretty simple: we can't prove you cheated, but we can treat you like cancer and excise you.

And before anyone says anything: if you can keep Rose out for his off-field transgressions, or let Cobb in with his on-field transgressions, you can certainly keep a bunch of guys with suspect numbers out to the point they have to go in on the legacy ballot. The person who raised the point about Canseco's book being false resulting in lawsuits for defamation is right. Asterisk the hell out of the record book if you want to keep them, but for me, the span from about 1988-2004, the majority of records don't count.

Now I have heard that Bonds is going to sit out the rest of the year. Coincindence? I think not.

i've been saying all year that he is trying to clean out his system.

I could be wrong but I believe he is still eligiable to be drug tested even though he is not playing.

that is a good question. i do think though you have to be a roster player to be tested.

ParrotheadGator wrote:

tequilatom wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

tequilatom wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote: on the arrest, probably not. That is something he is going to have to wake up in the middle of the nights and soul-search over. As for the majority of the 90s stars who mysteriously put on 40 pounds of muscle as they got older (like Bonds), it's pretty simple: we can't prove you cheated, but we can treat you like cancer and excise you.

And before anyone says anything: if you can keep Rose out for his off-field transgressions, or let Cobb in with his on-field transgressions, you can certainly keep a bunch of guys with suspect numbers out to the point they have to go in on the legacy ballot. The person who raised the point about Canseco's book being false resulting in lawsuits for defamation is right. Asterisk the hell out of the record book if you want to keep them, but for me, the span from about 1988-2004, the majority of records don't count.

Now I have heard that Bonds is going to sit out the rest of the year. Coincindence? I think not.

i've been saying all year that he is trying to clean out his system.

I could be wrong but I believe he is still eligiable to be drug tested even though he is not playing.

that is a good question. i do think though you have to be a roster player to be tested.

Actually he can still be tested...(just heard this discussed on sports radio)