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RinglingRingling wrote:

ToplessRideFL wrote:Girl Question Alert....

How long does it take for steriods to get out of your system? Or be untraceable in your body?

well, there is the loss of hair, acne eruptions, and the testicle shrinkage issue, even after the system flushes most of it out..

Lovely.... but I mean the time frame... Like a 5 panel drug test will detect weed, coke, and 3 others going back period of 30 days. Hair strand is way longer.... Just curious how steroids test?

So sworn grand jury testimony isn't good enough for you???
You're kidding, right?

RinglingRingling wrote:

FFishstick wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

FFishstick wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:Barry Bonds could hit 1,000 HRs but I my view and in the view of many other Hammerin' Hank will still be the Home Run King.

another record that goes with Maris' 61 that until there is complete testing to ensure it's just training and skill, still stands even if Bonds does surpass it on paper.

We can't go back and test the atheletes of the past, Why should we hold the atheletes of the present to a different standard? Read my lasts posts before jumping on me about this one. I am just posing a question. There is plenty of evidence and speculation, that the players of Maris's, Aaron's, and Ruth's era were not all on the up and up either. Just because the technology to "prove" it exists for todays players, does not answer any concerns from the past. A record is a record until it is proven to have been gained by breaking the established rules. If Bonds should end up with the HR record, it will stand and be valid until proven otherwise. At this point, no one has proven that Bonds earned his HRs by breaking any of the established rules. Likewise, no one has proven that Maris, Ruth or Aaron broke any rules, but many speculated that they did.

so Maris and Aaron were the equivalent of 'roided up? I don't think so. Both of them were fairly normal-sized individuals who were not growing to monsterous proportions as they grew older.

And frankly, I don't care if you can "prove it", or if you want to weasel it out. I find it hard to believe that Raf wasn't using all along, and believe him to be doubly-stupid to continue using after he got up in front of Congress claiming to be clean.

It comes down to the appearance of impropriety. In my book, the records by the folks named in Canseco's book are suspect. That there was no attempt to fight back on the claims made there, means there has to be at least a grain of truth there, at least enough to throw out any judgement about libel. Thus, they are guilty of ethics violations.

Settle down tiger. Like Canseco is a reputable source... As for weaseling out.. I simply stated that back in the era of Maris, Ruth, and Aaron, there was plenty of speculation that they were illegally using performance enhancing substances. Blood doping was a big thing in the 50's and 60's. If you had read my previous posting, I never used the words steroids in direct conjuction with Ruth, Maris, and Aaron. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. I simply posed a question as to holding todays atheletes to a different standard than those of the past. Conjecture, and Cansecos book are not evidence of any impropriety. How can their silence equal "guilty of ethics violations". Until proven, as is the case of Palmeiro, their records should and will stand. Bonds included.

and if you had read mine instead of flapping your fingers between classes, you would have seen the word "equivalent of"...

And yes, the book is. Silence? no. Weaseling out from under on the questions, yes. A simple yes or no answer, "Did you, during your career, use any substances that are or were considered 'performance-enhancing'?" Until they can answer that with a truthful no, their records don't count.

Again, Settle down tiger. It is very apparent that you don't like me, and frankly I can give a Rat's A$$ about that. If I were to say, "the sky sure is blue today", you would quip back that actually it is light blue, and only because of light refraction. Obviously when it comes to baseball, you were blessed with the ability to determine "Truth" vs. Lying with the absence of evidence. So from now on can we all just take ringlings word as truth and request that MLB run all records by ringling for his approval.

Again, Settle down tiger. It is very apparent that you don't like me, and frankly I can give a Rat's A$$ about that. If I were to say, "the sky sure is blue today", you would quip back that actually it is light blue, and only because of light refraction. Obviously when it comes to baseball, you were blessed with the ability to determine "Truth" vs. Lying with the absence of evidence. So from now on can we all just take ringlings word as truth and request that MLB run all records by ringling for his approval.

No. I don't like you. And I could give a fat rat's a$$ whether or not you're here. The condescension of the phrase, "settle down tiger" probably isn't making your case any easier either.

And yes, since I am a fan, at least in the corner of the universe that I reside in, I can recognize their achievements, or I can chose to believe that their "achievements" are tainted. And I believe that they are, barring quantifiable proof that they are clean of anything the IOC screens for.

You up'ed my rat's a$$ to a fat rat's a$$ Now that's damn funny.

FFishstick wrote:You up'ed my rat's a$$ to a fat rat's a$$ Now that's damn funny.

and for the Yiddish-speakers in the audience, "a fat rat's tuchas"

FFishstick wrote:There is plenty of evidence and speculation, that the players of Maris's, Aaron's, and Ruth's era were not all on the up and up either.

There is? Other than the fact that Babe Ruth probably was an alcoholic, Mickey Mantle definitely was (and I'm sure there were others) and a bunch of guys in the late 70's-early 80's were coke heads I never heard ANY speculation about performance enhancing drugs such as steroids or human growth hormones until the last 10 years or so.

FFishstick wrote:Like Canseco is a reputable source...

If anything he said in the book was false, it's libel. If anything he said in any of his many media appearances was false, it's slander. None of the players he mentioned have sued him. Unless and until they do, that's reputable enough for me.

Actually it's a know fact that many players in the 40's, 50's, and 60's were hopped up on stimulants on regular basis. Performance enhancing? I'm not sure about that, but it sure will help you play 10 games in 10 days much like roids do.

NYCPORT wrote:Actually it's a know fact that many players in the 40's, 50's, and 60's were hopped up on stimulants on regular basis. Performance enhancing? I'm not sure about that, but it sure will help you play 10 games in 10 days much like roids do.

That is what I am speaking of. I was looking for some of my Grandfather's old sports page clippings so I could dig em up online, to show evidence of what I was pointing out. Truth be told, it doesn't matter how strong or big you are, you still have to be able to hit and throw that ball. If you are taking anything that helps you do that day in and day out, then all records would be under question. That is all I am saying.

I know you guys are busy discussing this topic... but I was just trying to educate myself... not that I am thinking about taking steriods anytime soon....Just may need to make dinner conversation some day!

Here's what I found out....

Substance Steroids (anabolic oral)
Detection Period 14-28 days

Substance Steroids (anabolic parenterally)
Detection Period 1-3 months

ToplessRideFL wrote:I know you guys are busy discussing this topic... but I was just trying to educate myself... not that I am thinking about taking steriods anytime soon....

What's the matter, don't want your nuts to shrivel up?

LIPH wrote:What's the matter, don't want your nuts to shrivel up?

LOL thats what I have a pool for

ToplessRideFL wrote:

LIPH wrote:What's the matter, don't want your nuts to shrivel up?

LOL thats what I have a pool for

Psssssssssst, Susan . . . you don't HAVE nuts.

tikitatas wrote: Psssssssssst, Susan . . . you don't HAVE nuts.

Sure I do.... Dave just carries them around for me.

ToplessRideFL wrote:

tikitatas wrote: Psssssssssst, Susan . . . you don't HAVE nuts.

Sure I do.... Dave just carries them around for me.

SPEW!!!!!!!!


squeegee, please.

Interesting discussion....

I find it interesting that if Rose should be banned, then any one on steroids should also be banned. If you go by the rules of the game, Rose broke a rule that is posted on every clubhouse door. Anyone using steroids wasn't breaking baseball rules until this season.

What's amazed me most is that the players (until now) have been allowed to do something within the sport (use steroids) that has been illegal for the general public...that's how messed up this whole situation has been. And, the players' union is the group that had previously refused steroids to be banned and tested for...but then the owners liked the crowds drawn by the big home run hitters.

I've always been a big baseball fan, but they've really gotten themselves into a mess this time. The record books are forever messed up, players' weights and stats are dropping like crazy, doesn't seem as if anyone can or should be trusted....

I'd vote for Andre Dawson, Ron Santo, and Jim Rice.

Quiet and Shy wrote:Interesting discussion....

I find it interesting that if Rose should be banned, then any one on steroids should also be banned. If you go by the rules of the game, Rose broke a rule that is posted on every clubhouse door. Anyone using steroids wasn't breaking baseball rules until this season.

What's amazed me most is that the players (until now) have been allowed to do something within the sport (use steroids) that has been illegal for the general public...that's how messed up this whole situation has been. And, the players' union is the group that had previously refused steroids to be banned and tested for...but then the owners liked the crowds drawn by the big home run hitters.

I've always been a big baseball fan, but they've really gotten themselves into a mess this time. The record books are forever messed up, players' weights and stats are dropping like crazy, doesn't seem as if anyone can or should be trusted....

I'd vote for Andre Dawson, Ron Santo, and Jim Rice.

Well stated. As you said, prior to this year, no rules had been broken concerning steroids. Unfortunately, the records stand.

Over the years some football players have died at relatively young ages, Lyle Alzado and John Matuszak come to mind, as a result of steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. I wonder if some of the suspect members of this generation of baseball players will die before they're 50 for the same reason.

LIPH wrote:Over the years some football players have died at relatively young ages, Lyle Alzado and John Matuszak come to mind, as a result of steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. I wonder if some of the suspect members of this generation of baseball players will die before they're 50 for the same reason.

I am certain they will.

This was a haunting cover.