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Posted: **August 2, 2005 2:34 pm**

tikitatas wrote:This was a haunting cover.

I played football against him when I was in high school. I think he was about 25 at the time.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 2:41 pm**

FFishstick wrote:
Quiet and Shy wrote:Interesting discussion....

I find it interesting that if Rose should be banned, then any one on steroids should also be banned. If you go by the rules of the game, Rose broke a rule that is posted on every clubhouse door. Anyone using steroids wasn't breaking baseball rules until this season.

What's amazed me most is that the players (until now) have been allowed to do something within the sport (use steroids) that has been illegal for the general public...that's how messed up this whole situation has been. And, the players' union is the group that had previously refused steroids to be banned and tested for...but then the owners liked the crowds drawn by the big home run hitters.

I've always been a big baseball fan, but they've really gotten themselves into a mess this time. The record books are forever messed up, players' weights and stats are dropping like crazy, doesn't seem as if anyone can or should be trusted....

I'd vote for Andre Dawson, Ron Santo, and Jim Rice.
Well stated. As you said, prior to this year, no rules had been broken concerning steroids. Unfortunately, the records stand.

Do the records stand? Yes.

Should they.....? That's a completely different question.

I'm sure there will be more premature deaths from steroid use. But, sacrificing the chance to play pro ball for something that might haunt you in another 10-20-30 years....? "I love the now...."

Using similar logic (and no offense to those who do), smoking will kill half of the people who do it and/or will shorten lives by ~13 years. And still, a lot of people smoke. (Sure there are endless examples, but few with the kind of data linked to tobacco.)

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:24 pm**

Do the records stand? Yes.

Should they.....? That's a completely different question.

and this is the one I have the difficulty with.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:47 pm**

RinglingRingling wrote:
Do the records stand? Yes.

Should they.....? That's a completely different question.
and this is the one I have the difficulty with.

Then why didn't you just say so

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:50 pm**

RinglingRingling wrote:
Do the records stand? Yes.

Should they.....? That's a completely different question.
and this is the one I have the difficulty with.

I certainly understand.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:51 pm**

tikitatas wrote:
LIPH wrote:
tikitatas wrote:I just googled to see some of the before and after photos of this guy.
Can there BE a question???
Have you seen Sammy Sosa lately? The first time I saw the Orioles play this year I came to work the next day and asked the guy I share my office with "Who's the little guy who stole Sammy Sosa's uniform?"
I HAVE. When we go to the Dominican every winter, I ask the guys there about the players and even they talk about the steroid use. Not many Dominican men have that huge muscle composition, Ortiz excepted.

And steroids are legal in the Dominican. In his completely phony broken English testimony, Sosa was very careful to say that he never used a substance that is illegal in this country. He was very well coached.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:53 pm**

iuparrothead wrote:
tikitatas wrote:
LIPH wrote:
tikitatas wrote:I just googled to see some of the before and after photos of this guy.
Can there BE a question???
Have you seen Sammy Sosa lately? The first time I saw the Orioles play this year I came to work the next day and asked the guy I share my office with "Who's the little guy who stole Sammy Sosa's uniform?"
I HAVE. When we go to the Dominican every winter, I ask the guys there about the players and even they talk about the steroid use. Not many Dominican men have that huge muscle composition, Ortiz excepted.
And steroids are legal in the Dominican. In his completely phony broken English testimony, Sosa was very careful to say that he never used a substance that is illegal in this country. He was very well coached.

his testimony made me want to vomit.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:54 pm**

FFishstick wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
Do the records stand? Yes.

Should they.....? That's a completely different question.
and this is the one I have the difficulty with.
Then why didn't you just say so

FFishstick,

I want to ask you someting that has been bothering me for a long time. I never wanted to come right out and say it, but damn it, it is bothering the hell out of me. So here is my question: How do you pronounce your wife's name? I have been racking my brain trying to figure it out!

Thanks,
Joe

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:57 pm**

RAGTOP wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
tikitatas wrote:
LIPH wrote:
tikitatas wrote:I just googled to see some of the before and after photos of this guy.
Can there BE a question???
Have you seen Sammy Sosa lately? The first time I saw the Orioles play this year I came to work the next day and asked the guy I share my office with "Who's the little guy who stole Sammy Sosa's uniform?"
I HAVE. When we go to the Dominican every winter, I ask the guys there about the players and even they talk about the steroid use. Not many Dominican men have that huge muscle composition, Ortiz excepted.
And steroids are legal in the Dominican. In his completely phony broken English testimony, Sosa was very careful to say that he never used a substance that is illegal in this country. He was very well coached.
his testimony made me want to vomit.

All of them made me want to vomit. I believe that everyone that was there was on the juice.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:58 pm**

RAGTOP wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
tikitatas wrote:
LIPH wrote:
tikitatas wrote:I just googled to see some of the before and after photos of this guy.
Can there BE a question???
Have you seen Sammy Sosa lately? The first time I saw the Orioles play this year I came to work the next day and asked the guy I share my office with "Who's the little guy who stole Sammy Sosa's uniform?"
I HAVE. When we go to the Dominican every winter, I ask the guys there about the players and even they talk about the steroid use. Not many Dominican men have that huge muscle composition, Ortiz excepted.
And steroids are legal in the Dominican. In his completely phony broken English testimony, Sosa was very careful to say that he never used a substance that is illegal in this country. He was very well coached.
his testimony made me want to vomit.

It was a joke. The sportswriters here in Chicago were having a field day criticizing him afterwards... they've heard him speak & heard him answer tough questions before and never did he have that hard of a time pronouncing and enunciating words.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 3:59 pm**

captainjoe wrote:
RAGTOP wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
tikitatas wrote:
LIPH wrote:
tikitatas wrote:I just googled to see some of the before and after photos of this guy.
Can there BE a question???
Have you seen Sammy Sosa lately? The first time I saw the Orioles play this year I came to work the next day and asked the guy I share my office with "Who's the little guy who stole Sammy Sosa's uniform?"
I HAVE. When we go to the Dominican every winter, I ask the guys there about the players and even they talk about the steroid use. Not many Dominican men have that huge muscle composition, Ortiz excepted.
And steroids are legal in the Dominican. In his completely phony broken English testimony, Sosa was very careful to say that he never used a substance that is illegal in this country. He was very well coached.
his testimony made me want to vomit.
All of them made me want to vomit. I believe that everyone that was there was on the juice.

I don't want to sound like a homer but there really is no evidence of Schilling being on the juice... I think they asked him there because he enjoys listening to himself speak and because he is a media whore.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 4:03 pm**

captainjoe wrote:
FFishstick wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
Do the records stand? Yes.

Should they.....? That's a completely different question.
and this is the one I have the difficulty with.
Then why didn't you just say so
FFishstick,

I want to ask you someting that has been bothering me for a long time. I never wanted to come right out and say it, but damn it, it is bothering the hell out of me. So here is my question: How do you pronounce your wife's name? I have been racking my brain trying to figure it out!

Thanks,
Joe

Mikelin - three syllables - Mi ke lin - or pronounced Michael in

Posted: **August 2, 2005 4:05 pm**

RAGTOP wrote:I don't want to sound like a homer but there really is no evidence of Schilling being on the juice... I think they asked him there because he enjoys listening to himself speak and because he is a media whore.

Yep, I was just about to say the same thing. I don't think Schilling was there because anyone even suspected him of having used and being on steroids... he just talks tough and provides good quotes.

Now Big Mac on the other hand... he always had some acne right? But is it possibly his acne scarring is soooo bad from the juice?

Posted: **August 2, 2005 4:07 pm**

FFishstick wrote:
captainjoe wrote:FFishstick,

I want to ask you someting that has been bothering me for a long time. I never wanted to come right out and say it, but damn it, it is bothering the hell out of me. So here is my question: How do you pronounce your wife's name? I have been racking my brain trying to figure it out!

Thanks,
Joe

Mikelin - three syllables - Mi ke lin - or pronounced Michael in

Shouldn't it be "Brian in"? come on, somebody had to say it

iuparrothead wrote:
RAGTOP wrote:I don't want to sound like a homer but there really is no evidence of Schilling being on the juice... I think they asked him there because he enjoys listening to himself speak and because he is a media whore.
Yep, I was just about to say the same thing. I don't think Schilling was there because anyone even suspected him of having used and being on steroids... he just talks tough and provides good quotes.

Schilling was there because he was hammering everybody who was suspected of being on the juice. Then he got there and pussied out.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 4:13 pm**

LIPH wrote:
FFishstick wrote:
captainjoe wrote:FFishstick,

I want to ask you someting that has been bothering me for a long time. I never wanted to come right out and say it, but damn it, it is bothering the hell out of me. So here is my question: How do you pronounce your wife's name? I have been racking my brain trying to figure it out!

Thanks,
Joe

Mikelin - three syllables - Mi ke lin - or pronounced Michael in
Shouldn't it be "Brian in"? come on, somebody had to say it

.

Hey that was almost funny

No wait a minute, for a lawyer, that was damn funny.

Now go bill someone $40.00 for a 2 minute phone call

Posted: **August 2, 2005 4:36 pm**

FFishstick wrote:Hey that was almost funny... Now go bill someone $40.00 for a 2 minute phone call

Speaking of funny - it is freakin' hilarious that a teacher in a state which ranks 46th in the U.S. with regards to academic performance, but whose teachers enjoy the highest average salary in the nation, would make referneces to anyone else being overpaid for their services.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 4:59 pm**

go to another thread if you are looking to hijack it and turn it into a bash ffishstick thread, This is gettin kind of old Don't ya think.

But since you brought it up, This is what California is up against.

State / Nation

Economically Disadvantaged (%) 47.2 / 38.5

English Language Learners (%) 25.2 / 8.4

Students with Disabilities (%) 10.6 / 13.4

Meanwhile out of over 1100 middle schools, the school I teach at is in the top 100 according to our API scores. While being one of the most socially diverse schools not only in the state but in the nation. Yeah, top 10% in the state, I'd say I earn my pay. I can live with those numbers.

Posted: **August 2, 2005 11:57 pm**

FFishstick wrote:Meanwhile out of over 1100 middle schools, the school I teach at is in the top 100 according to our API scores. While being one of the most socially diverse schools not only in the state but in the nation. Yeah, top 10% in the state, I'd say I earn my pay. I can live with those numbers.

You must be so proud. Just remember, that white speck on top of a pile of chickensh*t, is still chickensh*t.

Posted: **August 3, 2005 12:01 am**

rednekkPH wrote:
FFishstick wrote:Meanwhile out of over 1100 middle schools, the school I teach at is in the top 100 according to our API scores. While being one of the most socially diverse schools not only in the state but in the nation. Yeah, top 10% in the state, I'd say I earn my pay. I can live with those numbers.
You must be so proud. Just remember, that white speck on top of a pile of chickensh*t, is still chickensh*t.

Yeah I thought that white speck looked like you. Thanks for the confirmation.

Posted: **August 3, 2005 12:04 am**

Shut up. Yes. SHUT UP. Most everyone is pretty tired of hearing the bickering, etc..

Please and thank you.

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