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Great Op-Ed from Monday's Washington Post

Posted: August 5, 2005 10:41 pm
by Fins in Low Places
Who's Paying for Our Patriotism?

By Uwe E. Reinhardt

Monday, August 1, 2005; Page A17

President Bush assures us that the ongoing twin wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are worth the sacrifices they entail. Editorialists around the nation agree and say that a steadfast American public was willing to stay the course.

Should anyone be surprised by this national resolve, given that these wars visit no sacrifice of any sort -- neither blood nor angst nor taxes -- on well over 95 percent of the American people?

At most, 500,000 American troops are at risk of being deployed to these war theaters at some time. Assume that for each of them some 20 members of the wider family sweat with fear when they hear that a helicopter crashed in Afghanistan or that X number of soldiers or Marines were killed or seriously wounded in Iraq. It implies that no more than 10 million Americans have any real emotional connection to these wars.

The administration and Congress have gone to extraordinary lengths to insulate voters from the money cost of the wars -- to the point even of excluding outlays for them from the regular budget process. Furthermore, they have financed the wars not with taxes but by borrowing abroad.

The strategic shielding of most voters from any emotional or financial sacrifice for these wars cannot but trigger the analogue of what is called "moral hazard" in the context of health insurance, a field in which I've done a lot of scholarly work. There, moral hazard refers to the tendency of well-insured patients to use health care with complete indifference to the cost they visit on others. It has prompted President Bush to advocate health insurance with very high deductibles. But if all but a handful of Americans are completely insulated against the emotional -- and financial -- cost of war, is it not natural to suspect moral hazard will be at work in that context as well?

A policymaking elite whose families and purses are shielded from the sacrifices war entails may rush into it hastily and ill prepared, as surely was the case of the Iraq war. Moral hazard in this context can explain why a nation that once built a Liberty Ship every two weeks and thousands of newly designed airplanes in the span of a few years now takes years merely to properly arm and armor its troops with conventional equipment. Moral hazard can explain why, in wartime, the TV anchors on the morning and evening shows barely make time to report on the wars, lest the reports displace the silly banter with which they seek to humor their viewers. Do they ever wonder how military families with loved ones in the fray might feel after hearing ever so briefly of mayhem in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Moral hazard also can explain why the general public is so noticeably indifferent to the plight of our troops and their families. To be sure, we paste cheap magnetic ribbons on our cars to proclaim our support for the troops. But at the same time, we allow families of reservists and National Guard members to slide into deep financial distress as their loved ones stand tall for us on lethal battlefields and the family is deprived of these troops' typically higher civilian salaries. We offer a pittance in disability pay to seriously wounded soldiers who have not served the full 20 years that entitles them to a regular pension. And our legislative representatives make a disgraceful spectacle of themselves bickering over a mere $1 billion or so in added health care spending by the Department of Veterans Affairs -- in a nation with a $13 trillion economy!

Last year kind-hearted folks in New Jersey collected $12,000 at a pancake feed to help stock pantries for financially hard-pressed families of the National Guard. Food pantries for American military families? The state of Illinois now allows taxpayers to donate their tax refunds to such families. For the entire year 2004, slightly more than $400,000 was collected in this way, or 3 cents per capita. It is the equivalent of about 100,000 cups of Starbucks coffee. With a similar program Rhode Island collected about 1 cent per capita. Is this what we mean by "supporting our troops"?

When our son, then a recent Princeton graduate, decided to join the Marine Corps in 2001, I advised him thus: "Do what you must, but be advised that, flourishing rhetoric notwithstanding, this nation will never truly honor your service, and it will condemn you to the bottom of the economic scrap heap should you ever get seriously wounded." The intervening years have not changed my views; they have reaffirmed them.

Unlike the editors of the nation's newspapers, I am not at all impressed by people who resolve to have others stay the course in Iraq and in Afghanistan. At zero sacrifice, who would not have that resolve?

The writer is James Madison professor of political economy at Princeton University.

This was published Monday. His son was injured in one of the bombings later in the week.

Posted: August 6, 2005 4:07 am
by Sam
To the author of Uwe E. Reinhardt :
The enemy has said and firmly believes America does not have what it takes or the stomach for a long fight.....Thank you for proving them right in the aspects that some Americans do believe that.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Posted: August 6, 2005 9:46 am
by OceanCityGirl
I used to think I'd be thrilled to have my sons serve in the military. Now I'd still be proud but very uncomfortqble. I don't believe they are supported and I don't believe we are fighting to win over there. They need to either get very serious about kicking butt in spite of the money and perhaps lives it will cost or get out. Otherwise we're going to keep losing men wastefully. I will admit I don't have thorough military knowledge so if you do and disagree I'm sorry.

Posted: August 6, 2005 10:12 am
by Sam
OceanCityGirl wrote:I used to think I'd be thrilled to have my sons serve in the military. Now I'd still be proud but very uncomfortqble. I don't believe they are supported and I don't believe we are fighting to win over there. They need to either get very serious about kicking butt in spite of the money and perhaps lives it will cost or get out. Otherwise we're going to keep losing men wastefully. I will admit I don't have thorough military knowledge so if you do and disagree I'm sorry.
I understand your concern about having a loved one in the military!!!
You have nothing to be sorry for!!!
I DO DISAGREE with your feeling that we are not fighting to win!!! There have been many, MANY mission completes and many more successes that the news never tells us about. We are serious about kicking butt over there. Example: In one op.....we killed well over 100 terrs.....the news media reports that 10 or so Americans were killled with little to mention of the mission accomplishment. There are many numerous others......
I know many people do not support the military. Yet there are many more of us that REALLY DO.
The terrs are banking on America not having the stomach to stick it out thus ensuring a victory...
Several members of the media have come forth and admitted the bias AGAINST the war....and are not telling and showing the whole picture....or how much of the country is pacified.

The media DOES not care when it announces how many AMERICAN troops were wounded and killed and the families that are sitting on pins and needles wondering if it was THEIR TROOP that was injured and killed.
A local was killed the other day......He had been wounded once before and went back. I would say most of the troops do want to back with their team mates and see the job finished.
The media is aiding and abetting and fueling the morale of the terrs by NOT showing us the whole truth.

Posted: August 6, 2005 12:50 pm
by iuparrothead
The Washington Post? I'll skip this read for something a little less biased... :-?

Posted: August 6, 2005 1:05 pm
by a1aara
iuparrothead wrote:The Washington Post? I'll skip this read for something a little less biased... :-?
What isn't biased to one side or the other?

Posted: August 6, 2005 2:47 pm
by Fins in Low Places
Sam wrote:To the author of Uwe E. Reinhardt :
The enemy has said and firmly believes America does not have what it takes or the stomach for a long fight.....Thank you for proving them right in the aspects that some Americans do believe that.... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Did you actually read the whole piece? I suppose we get what we want out of anything. This president & congress, just like past, as well as much of this country does not support our military (past or present). Support is not slapping a magnet bought at Wal-Mart (probably made in China) that brags or pleads to other motorists to "Support our troops." Support is demanding and seeing that the brave men and women fighting are properly armored while in theater and cared for when required. Very little has been made of the number of men and women coming back to this country missing one or more limbs. Seldom do we hear about the hardships of spouses of National Guardsmen & women left to care for themselves & children on a fraction of the salary they were living on b/c our government won't fully replace their salary while in combat. I am not arguing for or against the war (and neither was the column), just that our soldiers are taken care of while in combat as well as when they return.

Since you would rather take the discussion in another direction, why do you believe insurgents are flocking to Iraq? I don't think it is b/c they hate our freedom & don't want Iraqi's to have any freedoms either. The argument against pulling out "too early" (no one can really explain when "too early" is), is that the there would be chaos in the country. I'm not so sure that chaos isn't a good word to describe the current situation. So if foreign fighters are entering the country to fight what is seen in their eyes as a US occupation, doesn't logic hold that removing our troops would diminish this effect to some extent? Unless of course, this war is about more than liberating Iraqi citizens (I know it is hard to keep up with, but that was the last reason we were give wasn't it?).

Posted: August 6, 2005 5:08 pm
by Sam
Fins in Low Places wrote:
Sam wrote:To the author of Uwe E. Reinhardt :
The enemy has said and firmly believes America does not have what it takes or the stomach for a long fight.....Thank you for proving them right in the aspects that some Americans do believe that.... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Did you actually read the whole piece? I suppose we get what we want out of anything. This president & congress, just like past, as well as much of this country does not support our military (past or present). Support is not slapping a magnet bought at Wal-Mart (probably made in China) that brags or pleads to other motorists to "Support our troops." Support is demanding and seeing that the brave men and women fighting are properly armored while in theater and cared for when required. Very little has been made of the number of men and women coming back to this country missing one or more limbs. Seldom do we hear about the hardships of spouses of National Guardsmen & women left to care for themselves & children on a fraction of the salary they were living on b/c our government won't fully replace their salary while in combat. I am not arguing for or against the war (and neither was the column), just that our soldiers are taken care of while in combat as well as when they return.

Since you would rather take the discussion in another direction, why do you believe insurgents are flocking to Iraq? I don't think it is b/c they hate our freedom & don't want Iraqi's to have any freedoms either. The argument against pulling out "too early" (no one can really explain when "too early" is), is that the there would be chaos in the country. I'm not so sure that chaos isn't a good word to describe the current situation. So if foreign fighters are entering the country to fight what is seen in their eyes as a US occupation, doesn't logic hold that removing our troops would diminish this effect to some extent? Unless of course, this war is about more than liberating Iraqi citizens (I know it is hard to keep up with, but that was the last reason we were give wasn't it?).
Are you a vet? I am...all of four my brothers served.My Dad was USN retired. I don't think anyone is more aware of what politicians and others do or don't do for vets otherthan a veteran. They are the ones that feel and see and experience the direct effects....FIRST HAND!
I live in area that more or less is largely a military community with alot of military retirees and veterans.
There is ALOT MORE to supporting our troops than:
Support is demanding and seeing that the brave men and women fighting are properly armored while in theater and cared for when required.
Everyone that is a member of our military and guard and reserves are there,because they volunteered and know about all of these things and generally rely upon and support themselves and others within the circle....because they always have.Because they have learned long ago how fickle the opinion can turn against them.

One I did not take this in another direction...he has his opine as you have yours and I have mine.
THEY ARE NOT INSURGENTS...THEY ARE PHREAKING TERRORISTS! Plain and simple. They intentionally target children and women and other "noncombatants". Calling them insurgents tends to give undeserved credence to their actions. It makes people not see them for what they really are.

What does it matter why we are there??? It is about containment...would you send an RSVP letter to the terrs asking them to please meet us for tea and scones so we can kill you?

Not being allowed to win in Iraq, will DEFINITELY be seen as a loss for the U.S. and will bolster the enemy morale and cause more attacks and further their cause.

Posted: August 6, 2005 5:54 pm
by Crazy Navy Flyer
Well said Sam.

CNF, USN/USA retired.

Posted: August 6, 2005 6:18 pm
by Sam
Crazy Navy Flyer wrote:Well said Sam.

CNF, USN/USA retired.
Thank you!!! and.... WELCOME HOME, BRO!!!

Posted: August 7, 2005 11:36 am
by a1aara
Soldier's mom protests near Bush's ranch

Saturday, August 6, 2005; Posted: 8:57 p.m. EDT (00:57 GMT)



Supported by more than 50 demonstrators who chanted, "W. killed her son!" Cindy Sheehan told reporters: "I want to ask the president, 'Why did you kill my son? What did my son die for?"'

Sheehan, 48, didn't get to see Bush, but did talk about 45 minutes with national security adviser Steve Hadley and deputy White House chief of staff Joe Hagin, who went out to hear her concerns.

Appreciative of their attention, yet undaunted, Sheehan said she planned to continue her roadside vigil, except for a few breaks, until she gets to talk to Bush. Her son, Casey, 24, was killed in Sadr City, Iraq, on April 4, 2004. He was an Army specialist, a Humvee mechanic.

"They (the advisers) said we are in Iraq because they believed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, that the world's a better place with Saddam gone and that we're making the world a safer place with what we're doing over there," Sheehan said in a telephone interview after the meeting.

"They were very respectful. They were nice men. I told them Iraq was not a threat to the United States and that now people are dead for nothing. I told them I wouldn't leave until I talked to George Bush."

She said Hagin told her, "I want to assure you that he (Bush) really does care."

"And I said if he does care, why doesn't he come out and talk to me."

Sheehan arrived in Crawford aboard a bus painted red, white and blue and emblazoned with the words, "Impeachment Tour." Sheehan, from Vacaville, California, had been attending a Veterans for Peace convention in Dallas.

The bus, trailed by about 20 cars of protesters and reporters, drove at about 15 mph toward Bush's ranch. After several miles, they parked the vehicles and began to march, in stifling heat, farther down the narrow country road.

Flanked by miles of pasture, Sheehan spoke with reporters while clutching two photographs, one of her son in uniform, and the other, a baby picture, when he was seven months old.

She said she decided to come to Crawford a few days ago after Bush said that fallen U.S. troops had died for a noble cause and that the mission must be completed.

"I want to ask the president, `Why did you kill my son? What did my son die for?" she said, her voice cracking with emotion. "Last week, you said my son died for a noble cause' and I want to ask him what that noble cause is?"

White House spokesman Trent Duffy said response that Bush also wants the troops to return home safely.

"Many of the hundreds of families the president has met with know their loved one died for a noble cause and that the best way to honor their sacrifice is to complete the mission," Duffy said.

"It is a message the president has heard time and again from those he has met with and comforted. Like all Americans, he wants the troops home as soon as possible."

The group marched about a half-mile before local law enforcement officials stopped them at a bend in the road, still four to five miles from the ranch's entrance. Capt. Kenneth Vanek of the McLennan County Sheriff's Office said the group was stopped because some marchers ignored instructions to walk in the ditch beside the road, not on the road.

"If they won't cooperate, we won't," Vanek said.