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Key Lime Lee wrote:"nasty, brutish and short."

Can we leave Shane out of this please...
j/k

bravedave wrote:

Key Lime Lee wrote:"nasty, brutish and short."

Can we leave Shane out of this please...
j/k

Shane's not nasty.

What a shame. Evidently, all societies ills can just be solved by execution. Oh what a wonderful world that would be.

Four Play wrote:
Compassion is one of the major factors separating us from other animals. I think we're better off with it than without it.

I am compassionate about those that DESERVE it. Those in NO don't. FACT.

iuparrothead wrote:What a shame. Evidently, all societies ills can just be solved by execution. Oh what a wonderful world that would be.

Yes, infact, I would appreciate such a world. There'd be alot less scum around. Apparently you appreciate scum. Go down there and help them since you feel they have been oppressed, dealt a chitty hand, or whatever other EXCUSE they would like to throw out.

Margarita Matt wrote:

Four Play wrote:
Compassion is one of the major factors separating us from other animals. I think we're better off with it than without it.

I am compassionate about those that DESERVE it. Those in NO don't. FACT.

NO, that is an OPINION, these things need to be decided on a case by case basis. Has anyone thought about why these people are so driven to desperate measures?

Now, if it is proven that someone fired upon rescue personnel with intent of harm, then let them face the consequences of their actions.

big hat carmen wrote: NO, that is an OPINION, these things need to be decided on a case by case basis. Has anyone thought about why these people are so driven to desperate measures?

Let's just see a couple of FACTS here.

#1. They were ORDERED OUT.
#2. FREE TRANSPORTATION AND LOGDING WAS PROVIDED for them 24 hours in advance.
#3. They were too STUPID to follow #1 or 2.

FACT.

Margarita Matt wrote:

big hat carmen wrote: NO, that is an OPINION, these things need to be decided on a case by case basis. Has anyone thought about why these people are so driven to desperate measures?

Let's just see a couple of FACTS here.

#1. They were ORDERED OUT.
#2. FREE TRANSPORTATION AND LOGDING WAS PROVIDED for them 24 hours in advance.
#3. They were too STUPID to follow #1 or 2.

FACT.

1. The first evacuations were not mandatory.
2. Were there enough busses to move everyone? NO, no one was prepared for an event of this magnitude. Did you see the pictures of the massive traffic jams on the highways?
3. What about the mentally retarded or mentally ill. I have a client who is too frightened to use public transportation.

Margarita Matt wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:What a shame. Evidently, all societies ills can just be solved by execution. Oh what a wonderful world that would be.

Yes, infact, I would appreciate such a world. There'd be alot less scum around. Apparently you appreciate scum. Go down there and help them since you feel they have been oppressed, dealt a chitty hand, or whatever other EXCUSE they would like to throw out.

You're coming across as more of a lowlife scum right now than they are.

iuparrothead wrote:

Margarita Matt wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:What a shame. Evidently, all societies ills can just be solved by execution. Oh what a wonderful world that would be.

Yes, infact, I would appreciate such a world. There'd be alot less scum around. Apparently you appreciate scum. Go down there and help them since you feel they have been oppressed, dealt a chitty hand, or whatever other EXCUSE they would like to throw out.

You're coming across as more of a lowlife scum right now than they are.

wAnns. Brilliant, my friend.

iuparrothead wrote: You're coming across as more of a lowlife scum right now than they are.

I have NEVER stole anything, nor rioted. They = scum. You = sympathizer of scum.

Ponder that. Condoning their REDICULOUS actions makes you as bad as them.

Someone please dispute the FACTS that they were ordered to leave, and transportation and lodging were provided, yet they ignored it, and then decided that in addition to liqour, cigarettes, MINOR food, and FLAT SCREEN TVs, and GUNS, they decided to either steal, or burn down everything in sight. They should carpet bomb the area.

big hat carmen wrote:
1. The first evacuations were not mandatory.

YES, they WERE.

2. Were there enough busses to move everyone? NO, no one was prepared for an event of this magnitude. Did you see the pictures of the massive traffic jams on the highways?

95% of the busses left EMPTY.

3. What about the mentally retarded or mentally ill. I have a client who is too frightened to use public transportation.

Too FRIGHTENED to use public transportation? WTF?

Would appreciate it if the comments and posts weren't quite so hostile, please. Thank you.

Margarita Matt wrote:Someone please dispute the FACTS that they were ordered to leave, and transportation and lodging were provided, yet they ignored it, and then decided that in addition to liqour, cigarettes, MINOR food, and FLAT SCREEN TVs, and GUNS, they decided to either steal, or burn down everything in sight. They should carpet bomb the area.

OK....

Mayor Ray Nagin ordered an immediate mandatory evacuation Sunday for all of New Orleans, a city of 485,000 people, as Hurricane Katrina bore down with wind revved up to nearly 175 mph (282 kph) and a threat of a massive storm surge.
Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort including the Superdome arena. "There doesn't seem to be any relief in sight," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said, joining the mayor at a news conference.

They were ordered out Sunday, but even the mayor acknowledged that many wouldn't have time to get out, the financial resources to leave, or even places to go to.

I've seen no news reports suggesting that there were either free transportation or lodging provided outside of the city for the residents, except in very isolated cases.

big hat carmen wrote:

Margarita Matt wrote:

Four Play wrote:
Compassion is one of the major factors separating us from other animals. I think we're better off with it than without it.

I am compassionate about those that DESERVE it. Those in NO don't. FACT.

NO, that is an OPINION, these things need to be decided on a case by case basis. Has anyone thought about why these people are so driven to desperate measures?

Now, if it is proven that someone fired upon rescue personnel with intent of harm, then let them face the consequences of their actions.

Well why else would the helicopters and rescue personel come under fire and become targets???

Why did FEMA cancel the air ops for aid, rescue, and recovery because of danger to the aid and relief workers? I am sure that you think that it had nothing to do with safety of the crews, workers, or aircraft.

Pardon me if one wants to tolerate rats, roaches, and other vermin inside their house....that is their choice...I don't know of very many people that would eat in restaurants that tolerated such.

It is not society's fault. That is a cop out and more feel good crap. It is not our fault 3 people were murdered last night. It is not societys fault of the rapes that took place last night.
Personal reliability is in there somewhere and yes society does have "SOME" responisbility in it....such as does our society tolerate such conduct and accept it or reject it???
Did everyone just stand by and knowingly allow it to happen??? Would that be all of society or just those nearby???

If one really beleives it is the whole society at fault, then all is chaos and we are doomed. After all no one in California or North Dakota or Florida or New Jerseyor anywhere else could have done a single GD thing to prevent or o protect the victims in NO could they>> Want to blame society for rapes and murders? Pardon me while in our curreent judicial system.... they place an actual person on trial rather than all of society.

We kill sick puppies and kittens to protect the rest of the litter.....and we don't blame the whole species for the illness of the one...perhaps those who want to lay blame on all of our society should and could learn from that and accept he fact that sick minded indiviuals are out there. They will kill and rape as they see fit....you may want to console them and try yor best to save them....let me know what you think when it happens to you or your loved one or a friend's loved one.

Four Play,
I agree I had friends in Charleston during Hugo and in Miami and in La when Andrew came to party....and....
disregarding previous disparaging remarks from others....I will say more than one looter was shot and killed in the after effects of Andrew....something that was not mentioned or covered by the MSM.

Meanwhile people pulled together and everyone shared what they had and people ate very good for a short while to utilize what was in freezers before it spoiled.No one went hungry. For the most part....People pulled together. People found strength and reliability in one another. And none of those prople were raped or murdered or robbed....
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I stand by awaiting a different and better answer/solution to shooting and killing these bozos and scum. I have as of yet to see anyone offer any answer than to blame ourselves. Well if the people were armed and knew how to appropriately use the weapons, then they could have prevented and protected at least some of the people. After allwhat you do to protect your loved one/ wife/girlfriend/ daughter/ child or your friend or team mate???

Are you going to place blame on society or would you shoot/ kill the SOB POS to protect them as best that you can. A staff is nothing more than a stick...it is a weapon that has been around since time began. The human mind is a very formidable weapon as long as a person is capable of and can think and reason.

Many common household items can be easily utilized and made into improvised weapons.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND AND PROTECT our loved ones and ourselves. WE DO NOT have the Right to lay the blame on or accuse society when those items are ignored and overlooked!

Someone want to blame me for the rapes and murders and aid and relief workers being shot at and what not by the bozos and bad guys, ....guess again.....

Any sympathy I may have had vanished when BEFORE the hurricane hit, FREE BUS TRANSPORTATION OUT OF THE CITY WAS OFFERED. Anyone that stayed made their bed. Now, I suggest they die in it.

I didn't know this. Now this I can't believe. Tell me were any of these free transport busses empty?
The whoe thing has me ticked off. Healthy strong adults, at least strong enough to carry tv's and guns stayed in a town threatened with a serious hurricane. Then our military, because we are a compassionate civilization, risks their lives doing thousands of helicopter rescues. And this is just the risk of the rescue, not from gunfire.They shoot at the helicopters.
Still compassionate, there are places set up to obtain food and water. There are otherwise healthy strong males, instead of finding a way to help get these supplies to the less able bodied persons they are running around creating chaos.
I live in a hurricane risk area. We have had hurricanes hit, but not for a very long time of that magnitude. But when we have the threat of a hurricane, everybody including low income folks hustle their butts to the grocery store. They buy canned tuna, beans, peanutbutter, bread, water, etc. Like this you could feed a family of five at a subsistance level for a week for under 15. bucks. You gather around you basic needs and figure out what you will need to take if you need to get to high ground. Very few here, even the poorest don't have family, friends or a church who would help them to get somewhere and stay for at least a week. I can't imagine that some of these folks couldn't cram 15 people into a car in misery, split the cost of gas, get to dry land and live in tents. I watch this and these folks did none of this. And in spite of this I was still willing to be compassionate.
But they're going into people's homes and stealing their jewelry. They're stealing busses from hospitals and robbing children's wards, they're raping women. My compassion is out. Save our help and sympathy for the tens of thousands who evacuated. They're going to need every bit of available help to bring back order and to rebuild their lives.

ph4ever wrote:

ParrotheadGator wrote:I saw the clip of the guy carrying out an armful of fishing rods....

now where exactly are you going to fish down there? Unless you want to start eating 3 eyed fish

if I were starving I would

the guy had like 20 poles, i would understand if it were 20 loaves of bread, but that many poles....i dont think so

Margarita Matt wrote:

big hat carmen wrote: NO, that is an OPINION, these things need to be decided on a case by case basis. Has anyone thought about why these people are so driven to desperate measures?

Let's just see a couple of FACTS here.

#1. They were ORDERED OUT.
#2. FREE TRANSPORTATION AND LOGDING WAS PROVIDED for them 24 hours in advance.
#3. They were too STUPID to follow #1 or 2.

FACT.

Please provide the documentation to support your "facts".

Forgive me if this has been said but i'm too tired to read through 6 pages right now. The police seem to be only arresting people who are caught looting things that aren't neccassary to survival. This is not new...looting and shooting at rescue workers, it happened after Andrew as well. I don't know what the answer is...or if there is one. I feel so bad for everyone down there. No one can really say what they would do in that situation until they are in that situation...