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longlinergirl wrote:Forgive me if this has been said but i'm too tired to read through 6 pages right now. The police seem to be only arresting people who are caught looting things that aren't neccassary to survival. This is not new...looting and shooting at rescue workers, it happened after Andrew as well. I don't know what the answer is...or if there is one. I feel so bad for everyone down there. No one can really say what they would do in that situation until they are in that situation...

lovin_jimmy wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:Forgive me if this has been said but i'm too tired to read through 6 pages right now. The police seem to be only arresting people who are caught looting things that aren't neccassary to survival. This is not new...looting and shooting at rescue workers, it happened after Andrew as well. I don't know what the answer is...or if there is one. I feel so bad for everyone down there. No one can really say what they would do in that situation until they are in that situation...

did you see the story about the family who stole a car, loaded it up w/ their family and neighbors and tried to leave? they arrested the driver and made evryone get out. they were just trying to leave the city. the owner of that car prolly had no idea where it was anyway. im sure the family would of abandoned it as soon as it ran out of gas anyway. even if they had money, there is no gas. it is the only time i was rooting for a car theif.

longlinergirl wrote:
but I still can't take the attitude of some that they had their chance now forget em. That is really heartless. I'm kinda sad that people really seem to feel that way. Yeah it was stupid, but jeeze these people lost everything..everything.

Sam wrote:

big hat carmen wrote:

Margarita Matt wrote:

Four Play wrote:
Compassion is one of the major factors separating us from other animals. I think we're better off with it than without it.

I am compassionate about those that DESERVE it. Those in NO don't. FACT.

NO, that is an OPINION, these things need to be decided on a case by case basis. Has anyone thought about why these people are so driven to desperate measures?

Now, if it is proven that someone fired upon rescue personnel with intent of harm, then let them face the consequences of their actions.

Well why else would the helicopters and rescue personel come under fire and become targets???

Why did FEMA cancel the air ops for aid, rescue, and recovery because of danger to the aid and relief workers? I am sure that you think that it had nothing to do with safety of the crews, workers, or aircraft.

Pardon me if one wants to tolerate rats, roaches, and other vermin inside their house....that is their choice...I don't know of very many people that would eat in restaurants that tolerated such.

It is not society's fault. That is a cop out and more feel good crap. It is not our fault 3 people were murdered last night. It is not societys fault of the rapes that took place last night.
Personal reliability is in there somewhere and yes society does have "SOME" responisbility in it....such as does our society tolerate such conduct and accept it or reject it???
Did everyone just stand by and knowingly allow it to happen??? Would that be all of society or just those nearby???

If one really beleives it is the whole society at fault, then all is chaos and we are doomed. After all no one in California or North Dakota or Florida or New Jerseyor anywhere else could have done a single GD thing to prevent or o protect the victims in NO could they>> Want to blame society for rapes and murders? Pardon me while in our curreent judicial system.... they place an actual person on trial rather than all of society.

We kill sick puppies and kittens to protect the rest of the litter.....and we don't blame the whole species for the illness of the one...perhaps those who want to lay blame on all of our society should and could learn from that and accept he fact that sick minded indiviuals are out there. They will kill and rape as they see fit....you may want to console them and try yor best to save them....let me know what you think when it happens to you or your loved one or a friend's loved one.

Four Play,
I agree I had friends in Charleston during Hugo and in Miami and in La when Andrew came to party....and....
disregarding previous disparaging remarks from others....I will say more than one looter was shot and killed in the after effects of Andrew....something that was not mentioned or covered by the MSM.

Meanwhile people pulled together and everyone shared what they had and people ate very good for a short while to utilize what was in freezers before it spoiled.No one went hungry. For the most part....People pulled together. People found strength and reliability in one another. And none of those prople were raped or murdered or robbed....
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I stand by awaiting a different and better answer/solution to shooting and killing these bozos and scum. I have as of yet to see anyone offer any answer than to blame ourselves. Well if the people were armed and knew how to appropriately use the weapons, then they could have prevented and protected at least some of the people. After allwhat you do to protect your loved one/ wife/girlfriend/ daughter/ child or your friend or team mate???

Are you going to place blame on society or would you shoot/ kill the SOB POS to protect them as best that you can. A staff is nothing more than a stick...it is a weapon that has been around since time began. The human mind is a very formidable weapon as long as a person is capable of and can think and reason.

Many common household items can be easily utilized and made into improvised weapons.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND AND PROTECT our loved ones and ourselves. WE DO NOT have the Right to lay the blame on or accuse society when those items are ignored and overlooked!

Someone want to blame me for the rapes and murders and aid and relief workers being shot at and what not by the bozos and bad guys, ....guess again.....

lovin_jimmy wrote: they are still people and they deserve compassion.
what about all the children who have no choice. they do what their parents say. their suffering is not their fault.

Margarita Matt wrote:

lovin_jimmy wrote: they are still people and they deserve compassion.
what about all the children who have no choice. they do what their parents say. their suffering is not their fault.

There are NO people left in NO besides the rescue workers. Everybody else are just ANIMALS. STBthem.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Let's see...folks were told by officials to go to the Convention Center for help...and yet there is no help there...no food, no water, no officials, nothing.

There is no place for them to get food or water. The supplies that have been brought in have been minimal. How come we can get relief supplies to other countries within 24 hours and we can't do that in our own backyard?

Even if transportation was provided for them to get out, it was too little too late. And many of those folks don't have cars...they would still have had to have found a way to get to where the buses were picking people up. It wasn't like the buses drove down every street and stopped to pick people up.

longlinergirl wrote:I hate to clue you in, but we are ALL animals...

ejr wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Let's see...folks were told by officials to go to the Convention Center for help...and yet there is no help there...no food, no water, no officials, nothing.

There is no place for them to get food or water. The supplies that have been brought in have been minimal. How come we can get relief supplies to other countries within 24 hours and we can't do that in our own backyard?

Even if transportation was provided for them to get out, it was too little too late. And many of those folks don't have cars...they would still have had to have found a way to get to where the buses were picking people up. It wasn't like the buses drove down every street and stopped to pick people up.

And, when questioned tonight about the people that were told to go to the convention center, and who were told they would be provided for, the head of FEMA admitted that today was the first he had heard that anyone was there!!!!!

Margarita Matt wrote:

lovin_jimmy wrote: they are still people and they deserve compassion.
what about all the children who have no choice. they do what their parents say. their suffering is not their fault.

There are NO people left in NO besides the rescue workers. Everybody else are just ANIMALS. STBthem.

lovin_jimmy wrote: you obviously do not have children, or a clue

Margarita Matt wrote:

lovin_jimmy wrote: you obviously do not have children, or a clue

In what regard? If you mean I am INTELLIGENT ENOUGH NOT TO LIVE BELOW SEA LEVEL, than you are correct. If you mean I AM INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO GET THE HELL OUT OF A SOUPBOWL OF A CITY WITH A CAT5 HURRICANE HEADING TOWARDS IT, you are correct. If you mean that I am stupid enough to stay, and then try to steal TVs and Nikes, then no, I am not a worthless sack of human excrement.

Margarita Matt wrote:And many of those folks don't have cars...they would still have had to have found a way to get to where the buses were picking people up. It wasn't like the buses drove down every street and stopped to pick people up.



Who lives BELOW SEA LEVEL, BELOW AN ADJOINING LAKE, and DOESN'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION?

OceanCityGirl wrote:I"m not saying we shouldn't rescue or offer food or water. I'm saying we should think carefully about risking lives to rescue people who don't want rescue. When I think about it, I would say the military needs to go in and offer rescue while there's even a chance of any innocent person who really wants to get out.
I didn't feel bothered by the rescue, even though they should have left until there was horrible, blatant looting by women carrying their children, until helicopters were shot at, until I saw footage of people and heard some very troublesome quotes. But I do realize that is not everybody and there are still folks there who need help. No I don't think we should just go around attempting to shoot people. But I don't think we should be exercising the same caution as we would during a minor episode of shoplifting at the local mini-mart. I don't know. I'm a mix of compassion and anger at these people. I really want to feel bad, but I can't in any waqy justify what's happening. I've lived thru a hurricane, not as bad but with flooding, loss of water and electricity. I've lived thru a storm that wiped out both bridges on either side of my house so we were trapped fweveral weeks, other then walking. After a week we walked to the other side of the bridge where neighbors who we didn't know at all drove us to the store. We biked much further to borrow somebody's car to get to work. We would have done the same for them. I know this doesn't compare but the though process is the same.