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Posted: September 2, 2005 12:27 pm
by Margarita Matt
sy wrote:
Well, seeing as there isn't any place for them to go and apply for a job, no place for them to spruce up for an interview, no electricity for them to turn on a light to fill out a job application, etc. I'm not so sure what you'd like them to do. If you were standing down there, in the midst of the rubble of your house and everything that was yours, how would you go about improving your life if you couldn't have gotten out of there?
How about they get to the evacuation sites? The only excuse are teh disabled. Anybody that can walk, can find something to float on and paddle their way to dry ground and make it to the evac. sites. They are being shipped to Texas by the boatload. Get a free cot, and some MREs. Get out and pound the pavement. Say I'll do ANYTHING to earn some $$ for my family and I. Most will sit around waiting for their government aide check. I wouldn't be one of them.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:29 pm
by Margarita Matt
ParrotheadGator wrote:If it's irrelevent, tell me this. What do you get out of scolding or belittling the new folks or ones you disagree with in public, while the others you just PM? Probably so you can use cop outs like "you have no idea what is said in PM".
Let him say what he will. I have the thickest skin on here from what I've seen.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:30 pm
by sy
Margarita Matt wrote:
ALL over this country, more and more of the costs of public schools are being passed on to the actual PEOPLE THAT USE THEM. I'm all for that. I have to pay for other's children, and then pay $14K/yr per child for a good school on top of that? Where is the justice in that? Now, I will say that this tax-payer-funded daycare is better than them running around causing mischief, so it is indeed a worthwhile cause. They may learn something, most won't, but aleast they won't be vandalizing my house.
Really?
Then I could very easily take the stance of what benefit am I getting out of tax payer funded daycare? Kids are their parents responsibility, not mine. Why should I care? I have no kids to take advantage of this. It's just 'government stolen money' in your terminology. And if you're paying extra for schooling, that's your choice, not anyone else's.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:32 pm
by iuparrothead
Margarita Matt wrote:iuparrothead wrote:
My goodness, aren't you mother f*ckin' brilliant!?!? I wish we all had your perfect 20/20 hindsight vision. You're clearly a racist bigot with an elitist, uncompassionate, hate-filled attitude. You're a bigger waste than the people you are criticizing who are suffering miserably in the aftermath of this hurricane. Karma's a b**** and you keep running your mouth the way you are and it's gonna bite you in the a$$... and then I invite you to come back here and tell us all how disfortunate you are... we'll laugh. But because for the most part, we are a caring and compassionate group around here, we'd actually probably help you if we could... just because we are decent people. Best of luck to you, loser...
You'll be destitute long before I ever will.
You have no idea how grossly incorrect that statement is, but please... be my guest and continue in your ignorant bliss.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:32 pm
by Margarita Matt
sy wrote:
How do you know that? Really? You have no idea how much any of us are worth or not worth, what we do with our money, or how we live our lives.
You must be on the Forbes most wealthy lists to be so sure of your future.
I live an extremely frugal life. I save a rediculous amount of my income. I drive decade old vehicles that have been paid off for nearly that long. I could work minimum wage and make my mortgage, food, and insurance payments. I am insured up the ying-yang. I am prepared. My family will never be forced to deal with crap like this.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:35 pm
by Margarita Matt
sy wrote:
Really?
Then I could very easily take the stance of what benefit am I getting out of tax payer funded daycare? Kids are their parents responsibility, not mine. Why should I care? I have no kids to take advantage of this. It's just 'government stolen money' in your terminology.
Those kids aren't out causing damage to your personal property.
And if you're paying extra for schooling, that's your choice, not anyone else's.
No, that's my RESPONSIBILITY. Obviously they don't have any. Unless you live in taxachussets, your public schools probably aren't making the grade compared to privates. Why do you think that is?
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:35 pm
by sy
Margarita Matt wrote:
I live an extremely frugal life. I save a rediculous amount of my income. I drive decade old vehicles that have been paid off for nearly that long. I could work minimum wage and make my mortgage, food, and insurance payments. I am insured up the ying-yang. I am prepared. My family will never be forced to deal with crap like this.
Actually, I was referring to the notion if a natural disaster swept through your area. Minimum wage doesn't do anything if there's nowhere to work, and neither does a car that is destroyed or an area that is levelled.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:36 pm
by Margarita Matt
sy wrote:
Actually, I was referring to the notion if a natural disaster swept through your area. Minimum wage doesn't do anything if there's nowhere to work, and neither does a car that is destroyed or an area that is levelled.
I don't live in an area that experiences natural disasters. Part of that whole being smart thing.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:40 pm
by RinglingRingling
Margarita Matt wrote:sy wrote:
Actually, I was referring to the notion if a natural disaster swept through your area. Minimum wage doesn't do anything if there's nowhere to work, and neither does a car that is destroyed or an area that is levelled.
I don't live in an area that experiences natural disasters. Part of that whole being smart thing.
Valley of the Sun, AZ or ID? no natural disasters?
hmmm...
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:40 pm
by sy
Margarita Matt wrote:Those kids aren't out causing damage to your personal property.
Isn't is your responsibility to find care for your child and not mine to pay for it?
Margarita Matt wrote: Unless you live in taxachussets, your public schools probably aren't making the grade compared to privates. Why do you think that is?
Actually, the public schools in a lot of the areas around where I live are quite good. I went to two 'exclusive' expensive private schools in the area. Both were equally useless.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:41 pm
by rednekkPH
Margarita Matt wrote:
I don't live in an area that experiences natural disasters.
Some would say the fact that you are still breathing is a natural disaster in and of itself. Can't say I'd disagree.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:42 pm
by RAGTOP
Matt the execution of what your trying to get across is poorly done. Your posts are riddled with far too many assumptions and generalities. Although there may be (and I'm sure there is) some truth to what your saying, you just can't blanket an entire population with the title "freeloader" which is essentially what your saying.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:44 pm
by sy
sy wrote:
Isn't is your responsibility to find care for your child and not mine to pay for it?
And by the way for everyone else reading this, this is not my personal stance, so please don't think less of me by my theoretical stance.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:47 pm
by RinglingRingling
RAGTOP wrote:Matt the execution of what your trying to get across is poorly done. Your posts are riddled with far too many assumptions and generalities. Although there may be (and I'm sure there is) some truth to what your saying, you just can't blanket an entire population with the title "freeloader" which is essentially what your saying.
Hush... introducing more than "Black" and "white" into his thought processes is gonna cause him to vapour-lock and he'll be completely useless.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:48 pm
by iuparrothead
Margarita Matt wrote:sy wrote:
How do you know that? Really? You have no idea how much any of us are worth or not worth, what we do with our money, or how we live our lives.
You must be on the Forbes most wealthy lists to be so sure of your future.
I live an extremely frugal life. I save a rediculous amount of my income. I drive decade old vehicles that have been paid off for nearly that long. I could work minimum wage and make my mortgage, food, and insurance payments. I am insured up the ying-yang. I am prepared. My family will never be forced to deal with crap like this.
And you're
assuming that we don't do the same!? And you're
assuming that we aren't bothered by the massive amounts of taxes taken out of our checks every month? And you're
assuming that we don't hold those in receipt of gov't subsidies accountable for their behavior? You're wrong. Glaringly, painfully, grossly wrong!
But there are human beings that are desperate and dying there... no matter what put them in the situation, they are suffering. And I care for them. I care about the human condition.
HUMAN condition. Their lives are not inferior to mine and they deserve my sympathy and compassion. You, never will.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:51 pm
by RinglingRingling
Margarita Matt wrote:I live an extremely frugal life. I save a rediculous amount of my income.
Could we get some numbers on this? We can crunch the results for ourselves.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:51 pm
by Margarita Matt
sy wrote:
Isn't is your responsibility to find care for your child and not mine to pay for it?
Indeed it is. When I said public daycare, I meant public schools. Not tax-payer funded ACTUAL daycare. It is my stance that until the child is school age, that they should be home with mother. Call me old fashioned, elitest, whatever. That's called family values where I come from.
Actually, the public schools in a lot of the areas around where I live are quite good. I went to two 'exclusive' expensive private schools in the area. Both were equally useless.
Not the case where I came from, nor the case here. Unless you live in ONE specific zipcode here (
median home price of $1.2M), your public schools aren't going to have teh funding to provide what a private school can.
A bigger problem with public schools is if its free, few parents take an active interest in their child's schooling. That's a generalization, but a HIGHLY accurate one.
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:52 pm
by LIPH
LIPH wrote:Apparently at least one person is unfamiliar with this quote: It's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth (or unsheath one's typing fingers) and remove all doubt. 
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:52 pm
by sy
Don't forget also, some of those stuck down there now are hospital worked, policemen, and public servants who are not poor, but chose to stay and try to help the community they live in and love. They are now in the same predicament as those they are trying to help.
Do you put them in the same boat as everyone else because they chose to stay perform their jobs to the best of their ability?
Posted: September 2, 2005 12:53 pm
by bravedave
Margarita Matt wrote:I don't live in an area that experiences natural disasters. Part of that whole being smart thing.
OK, everybody. New plan.
We move the population of California, every other coastal area, Tornado Alley, any drought-prone areas, any flood-risk areas, any snowfall zones, and all forests to:
"Valley of the Sun"
We should all be OK there.
(Could be a little snug. Please apply deodorant before deploying.)