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rednekkPH wrote:

LIPH wrote: And if paying taxes = the government stealing your money, if you should be unfortunate enough to have a fire in your house I'm assuming you'll refuse to let the fire department put it out. After all, unless they're volunteers the department is funded by tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money.

Larry, just a quick correction from the land of the volunteer fire company. Volunteer fire companies do recieve a fair amount of federal/state/local tax money for operating costs, equipment, etc. It's not nearly enough to keep them in the black, though.

LI is also the land of volunteer fire departments. Poetic license to make a point.

[quote="Margarita Matt

Have you ever been to La? You say you bet people have tv and the likes. Again, have you ever been there?

Not in the past 15 years. I tried to stay out of the bad areas when I was there, just like I try to do when I visit any area. Had a hurricane struck when I was there, I would have been teh HELL OUT OF THERE LONG BEFORE IT EVER MADE LANDFALL.[/quote]

My point was that a lot of the poor in the areas (ok I dont know how many or if a lot is the correct term) but enough of thenm are poor to the point where there is no electricity and as for plumbimg...well have you ever been to Italy...where they have holes in the floor...well think along those lines.

Margarita Matt wrote:

LIPH wrote:You'll also refuse all police protection because the PD is funded by tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money.

The government exists to protect me from FOREIGN and DOMESTIC aggressors. The police fall under that. Unfortunately, the police are all but mere revenue collectors for the municipality. I'll call them after I have dispatched the aggressors. They can do the paperwork and send a cleanup crew.

But you'd still let your house burn down instead of allowing the fire department to put out the fire? We have to be consistent here.

longlinergirl wrote:well have you ever been to Italy...where they have holes in the floor...well think along those lines.

Its not exactly a hole in the floor. It is difficult to fathom not having a throne to sit on though. Freaked me out.

LIPH wrote:Tiki --
Don't you know every 6 year old in New Orleans is smart enough, and rich enough, to be able to move to Happy Land?

Happy Land = Matt's Delusion Land

Margarita Matt wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:well have you ever been to Italy...where they have holes in the floor...well think along those lines.

Its not exactly a hole in the floor. It is difficult to fathom not having a throne to sit on though. Freaked me out.

Oh no..my family has an actual hole in the floor..no seat or anything. I saw the hole in the floor with the seat and thought gee how fancy...lol

LIPH wrote: But you'd still let your house burn down instead of allowing the fire department to put out the fire? We have to be consistent here.

If my house started to burn, the sucker would be nothing more than the exterior 10" of brick and plaster in short time. Fire dept wouldn't be able to do anything to save it. Its fine, I'm insured. Everything is replacable but my family.

LIPH wrote:LI is also the land of volunteer fire departments.

Really, I wouldn't have guessed that. Learn something new every day...

LIPH wrote: Poetic license to make a point.

Gotcha.

Margarita Matt wrote:

LIPH wrote:You'll also refuse all police protection because the PD is funded by tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money.

The government exists to protect me ...

Let's stop right there. All government activity is funded by tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money (your words, not mine). Since theft is a crime how can you, in good conscience, accept anything from a thief? And if you do, that makes you an accessory after the fact. Different only in degree from the people you've spent the last few pages of this thread railing against.

Ain't life grand?

LIPH wrote: Let's stop right there. All government activity is funded by tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money (your words, not mine). Since theft is a crime how can you, in good conscience, accept anything from a thief? And if you do, that makes you an accessory after the fact. Different only in degree from the people you've spent the last few pages of this thread railing against.

Ain't life grand?

There are TWO legitimate purposes of the government. DEFENSE FROM FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC AGGRESSORS.

We either need to pay someone to promote this goal, or conscript people to perform this role. Regardless, that's its purpose. Giving people money to sit on their butts and eat chips isn't a role the government should be in. Charities, Churches, and Family should be filling this role, not the Fed gov.

Margarita Matt wrote:

LIPH wrote: Let's stop right there. All government activity is funded by tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money (your words, not mine). Since theft is a crime how can you, in good conscience, accept anything from a thief? And if you do, that makes you an accessory after the fact. Different only in degree from the people you've spent the last few pages of this thread railing against.

Ain't life grand?

There are TWO legitimate purposes of the government. DEFENSE FROM FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC AGGRESSORS.

We either need to pay someone to promote this goal, or conscript people to perform this role. Regardless, that's its purpose. Giving people money to sit on their butts and eat chips isn't a role the government should be in. Charities, Churches, and Family should be filling this role, not the Fed gov.

But you're still paying them with tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money. If that's really how you feel, how can you justify accepting any government services?

Would a hurricane qualify as a domestic aggressor? I mean, makes sense to me. I sure as hell would want the government to protect me from/in the time of a disaster like that.

LIPH wrote:But you're still paying them with tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money. If that's really how you feel, how can you justify accepting any government services?

Let me see two line items where I can see the cost of Defense from FOREIGN aggressors, and one where there is Defense from DOMESTIC aggressors, and I will be satiated. Show me the line item for paying people not to work, and I will nix that one. It isn't a LEGITIMATE purpose of the government.

Am I the only one that see's these arguments for what they really are?



Blatent attempts to boost post count

UAHparrothead wrote:Am I the only one that see's these arguments for what they really are?



Blatent attempts to boost post count

You can take your cheese and....

UAHparrothead wrote:Am I the only one that see's these arguments for what they really are?



Blatent attempts to boost post count

Nah. I use meaningless posts to boost post count.


If a post has one of the following words in it, it is being used to boost post count

Pie
Cheese
Spork
so
Monkey
minivan

PHBeerman wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:Am I the only one that see's these arguments for what they really are?



Blatent attempts to boost post count

Nah. I use meaningless posts to boost post count.


If a post has one of the following words in it, it is being used to boost post count

Pie
Cheese
Spork
so
Monkey
minivan

You forgot boobies.

Margarita Matt wrote:

LIPH wrote:But you're still paying them with tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money. If that's really how you feel, how can you justify accepting any government services?

Let me see two line items where I can see the cost of Defense from FOREIGN aggressors, and one where there is Defense from DOMESTIC aggressors, and I will be satiated. Show me the line item for paying people not to work, and I will nix that one. It isn't a LEGITIMATE purpose of the government.

But you're being a hypocrite. You think the government is stealing your money by taking taxes out of your pay, yet you're willing to accept some government services because it's a benefit to you to accept them. You can't have it both ways.

LIPH wrote:

Margarita Matt wrote:

LIPH wrote:But you're still paying them with tax dollars, a/k/a stolen money. If that's really how you feel, how can you justify accepting any government services?

Let me see two line items where I can see the cost of Defense from FOREIGN aggressors, and one where there is Defense from DOMESTIC aggressors, and I will be satiated. Show me the line item for paying people not to work, and I will nix that one. It isn't a LEGITIMATE purpose of the government.

But you're being a hypocrite. You think the government is stealing your money by taking taxes out of your pay, yet you're willing to accept some government services because it's a benefit to you to accept them. You can't have it both ways.

You're confusing him with that whole "Black"/"White"/grey thing again...

UAHparrothead wrote:Am I the only one that see's these arguments for what they really are?



Blatent attempts to boost post count

I know the cure for that:
"Mods, please delete this thread"


Actually, if Sam is OK with that, I wouldn't complain either.