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PirateJeff wrote:There is a time and place to express a view like that, and that wasn't it.

Actually, it was a perfect time.

Just the fact that it makes some persons feel uncomfortable proves it is a valid viewpoint
that you WISH you would not have to think about. George W. probably feels the same way right now...

I think the same thing was said of Cindy Sheehan last month?

Come on Kanye, Do you really think the slow reponse was because most victoms in New Orleans were black?
I think the slow response was because this was way worse than anyone expected. Although I guess you can say that that's not really an excuse since there were a few days notice. I do recall seeing people on tv beforehand predicting how bad it would be. Fact is, someone dropped the ball (The mayor?, the governor? the president? etc.).
Bush himself has said he was not pleased with the slow response.
Wonder why Condi works with him if he does not care about blacks?
I don't know if it's still holds true but at one time this was the most diverse white house ever.
I can't picture the president sitting around saying "screw em, they're black".
And I'm not saying the racism is not out there (heck I've experienced it myself) but from the president of the U.S. with all eyes on him and at a time like this? get real!

And for the record I've got Kanye's new cd and it's off the heezy fa sheezy, also note it's spelled Kanye and not Kayne

sonofabeach wrote:Come on Kanye, Do you really think the slow reponse was because most victoms in New Orleans were black?
I think the slow response was because this was way worse than anyone expected. Although I guess you can say that that's not really an excuse since there were a few days notice. I do recall seeing people on tv beforehand predicting how bad it would be. Fact is, someone dropped the ball (The mayor?, the governor? the president? etc.).
Bush himself has said he was not pleased with the slow response.
Wonder why Condi works with him if he does not care about blacks?
I don't know if it's still holds true but at one time this was the most diverse white house ever.
I can't picture the president sitting around saying "screw em, they're black".
And I'm not saying the racism is not out there (heck I've experienced it myself) but from the president of the U.S. with all eyes on him and at a time like this? get real!

And for the record I've got Kanye's new cd and it's off the heezy fa sheezy

You can't help but wonder how different the situation would be if it were 60,000 big boobed blondes. I'm thinkin that it would not have taken 4 days to get help in there. No matter who was at fault (mother nature included) - it did seem like a long time and some people are just p*** beyond belief. Rapper who I never heard of IMHO - had a valid issue at the wrong time. He saw an opportunity to voice his opinion and get heard and forget to remember where he was and why he was there.

Where's Rodney King when we need him?

Elrod wrote:This might be a good time for me to mention that I'd never heard of Kanye West until Friday.

Would he have appeared on the show Friday if he hadn't released a new album on Tuesday?

Multi-Grammy award winning artist. If this was two years ago before he broke, I might wonder, but he's already a superstar.

He's remarkably talented.

Not sure you're exactly his demographic tho E.

Sidew13 wrote:Where's Rodney King when we need him?

Or at LEAST Rodney Dangerfield???

SMLCHNG wrote:Why doesn't anyone ever say (and I'm not speaking of the hurricane tragedy) the "white leaders"?

I do not want to sound judgemental about either side, but there is no "White Caucus" in Congress, for example. There are black leadership organizations.

bravedave wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:Why doesn't anyone ever say (and I'm not speaking of the hurricane tragedy) the "white leaders"?

I do not want to sound judgemental about either side, but there is no "White Caucus" in Congress, for example. There are black leadership organizations.

The "white caucus" IS Congress.

bravedave wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:Why doesn't anyone ever say (and I'm not speaking of the hurricane tragedy) the "white leaders"?

I do not want to sound judgemental about either side, but there is no "White Caucus" in Congress, for example. There are black leadership organizations.

Yes, because generic American whites have not endured an experience like racism and the civil rights movement that created a "community" and "leaders".

There is also a latino community, a native American community, a jewish community etc...

Lightning Bolt wrote:

PirateJeff wrote:There is a time and place to express a view like that, and that wasn't it.

Actually, it was a perfect time.

Just the fact that it makes some persons feel uncomfortable proves it is a valid viewpoint
that you WISH you would not have to think about. George W. probably feels the same way right now...

I think the same thing was said of Cindy Sheehan last month?

no one is saying it isn't a valid viewpoint... it has been for centuries. The fact that he can't distinquish the appropriate time to address his viewpoint makes him a poor candidate to be the one to deliver the message.

I'm also curious... why no criticism of Aaron Neville? His statement was far more damning and incendiary than Wests...

Key Lime Lee wrote:I'm also curious... why no criticism of Aaron Neville? His statement was far more damning and incendiary than Wests...

no one ever listens to what he has to say... they are too mesmorized by that thing on his forehead

Key Lime Lee wrote:I'm also curious... why no criticism of Aaron Neville? His statement was far more damning and incendiary than Wests...

what did Mr. Neville say?

and I agree that a) Mr. West said something topical, and timely, and probably true. b) what is sad is that the other side of the coin is also being heard. On the M'ville board, one of the regulars said that after hearing evacuees were going to be housed at her apartment complex "in a 97% white neighbourhood", her first thought was, "I pay good money for my apartment here, why should we take in refugees?".

Key Lime Lee wrote:I'm also curious... why no criticism of Aaron Neville? His statement was far more damning and incendiary than Wests...

Because he looks (and sings) like Smokey Robinson on steroids?

The race issues we have in this country are perpetuated and caused by THESE type of imbeciles!!!

These people are nothing but RACIST!!! They do not care about trying to help relations they want to keep it stirred up because it's profitable and gets them in the news!

RinglingRingling wrote: On the M'ville board, one of the regulars said that after hearing evacuees were going to be housed at
her apartment complex "in a 97% white neighbourhood", her first thought was, "I pay good money for my apartment here, why should we take in refugees?".

12vmanRick wrote: The race issues we have in this country are perpetuated and caused by THESE type of imbeciles!!!

Just double-checking.... which type of imbecile were YOU speaking of?

Being a part-time FEMA employee, let me say that things were being done long before the storm made landfall. The reason that the response seemed slow was because this was a tri-disaster situation covering a large area. This type of scenario is something that FEMA has never dealt with before. Not only was there the storm itself, there was the flood (disaster # 2), and then the unrest in the city (disaster #3.) Unfortunately, the area that got the most media attention was New Orleans. The media failed to show the relief efforts that were proceeding, as early as Monday evening, in the rest of LA, Mississippi, and Alabama.

i was wondering when someone would say that.. i remember hearing that Bush put things into effect saturday so FEMA could get a head start..

Tony5150RN wrote:Being a part-time FEMA employee, let me say that things were being done long before the storm made landfall. The reason that the response seemed slow was because this was a tri-disaster situation covering a large area. This type of scenario is something that FEMA has never dealt with before. Not only was there the storm itself, there was the flood (disaster # 2), and then the unrest in the city (disaster #3.) Unfortunately, the area that got the most media attention was New Orleans. The media failed to show the relief efforts that were proceeding, as early as Monday evening, in the rest of LA, Mississippi, and Alabama.

I believe the Tsunami victums were dropped water within 2 days. People in NO went for days with no water or food drops - that is completely unacceptable.

And being that NO is deep in the south you can expect the race issue to be played. HOWEVER the fact is that of the people that were left there, many were poor and elderly. The fact is they are Humans and US Citizens and they did not diserve to be ignored, abondended and left to die - which is what happened for whatever reason. Many are to blame for this tragedy - starting with the NO Government responsible for the levies; not researching and spending their money foolishly. BUT the fact is that this was a US disaster which happened during Bush's term. Bush could have ordered aid there quicker and he didn't. It wasn't until he started to be criticized by numerous people did he step up the way he should a week ago.

This is a national disgrace. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Tony5150RN wrote: ... this was a tri-disaster situation covering a large area. This type of scenario is something that FEMA has never dealt with before. Not only was there the storm itself, there was the flood (disaster # 2), and then the unrest in the city (disaster #3.) Unfortunately, the area that got the most media attention was New Orleans. The media failed to show the relief efforts that were proceeding, as early as Monday evening, in the rest of LA, Mississippi, and Alabama.

I can respect your perspective as a relief worker that you felt assistance was being handled, but...
I cannot buy, not for one moment, that this was a situation NEVER DEALT with before???
What about Hurrican Andrew? It was more surprisingly intense than Katrina. Didn't that relief mismanagement of '92 teach FEMA anything?
You could see this storm coming for DAYS!!!

When this is reviewed later, I'm sure the summation of this debacle will state,
"We were under-manned, and under-supplied". Where else have we heard that said lately?

This has been a management blunder unprecedented, and heads should roll