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Pardon me while I do not consider talent or art to be applied to ANY rapper.
Successful?? Okies fine...where did he donate anything besides participation in ONE fund raiser and his blatantly derogatory and attacking comments?
A Siamese cat in heat may well be art and music to any male cat, but not to any humans I know that ever owned one.
BLEEP HIM and the Jesse Jacksons and race baiters...

Anyone know where Jesse Jackson's church is located? Perhaps between the legs of girl that had his baby?


Do you have anything to back up your claims about tourists being given a priority? Do you think a tourist, being a tourist would not be the first ones to get out of town? They have no family or place to stay...DUH!!!! They are tourists.

I am sick of the Federal Goverment being bashed... Have you or the media EVEN READ the G.D. Federal Guidelines and recommendations?
People could not deny their own responsibility and culpability. They KNEW the storm was coming.

THEY KNEW AND KNOW what they needed to have on hand. I don't know of anyone regardless of color/race/gender /etc that does not know what they need to have on hand in this area which is in the hurricane zone.
Most every newspaper and grocery store or stop and rob, in the area, has pamphlets telling people what those recommendations and guidelines are.
Among other things.......they are told to HAVE FOOD AND WATER FOR AT LEAST 3 DAYS, as it may take some time for relief workers to arrive!

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PRESIDENT BUSH DID CALL FOR THE RELIEF /FEMA/ WHOEVER TO BE PUT INTO ACTION.


Forget blaming the Federal Goverment and start placing the blame on the local levels! But too many President Bush bashers are out there that won't accept it.... Let's see the MSM put the heat where it belongs.

The Governor and the Mayor dropped the ball. So what they get on TV and scream and yell??? BUT JUST WHO DID THEY ASK FOR HELP?
Let me guess if I get on the airwaves and demand help without contacting proper authorities should I realistically expect them to respond??

Someone earlier bitcherd and whined about people and families going without water for 4 days....well IF they had any responsibility and followed the guidelines then they wouldn't have would they?

Name me one natural disaster that no one complained that the help arrived in time.
I can name any numerous hurricanes over the years.
How many remember any of them?
Sure the President was displeased at the response time, but WHAT would you have him do?? Besides liking to b**** about him you have no real gripe.
People say things should be preplaced for disasters...ok...So just WHERE do you place them? How do you prevent them from being looted or destroyed in the disaster?

What about the poor white people? We saw a majority of people that were black. Anyone care to tell me there were no poor white or other people?
Only a stupid idiot would claim there was racism involved in who is saved.
Economics may well have a place in who can afford to go elsewhere, but THERE ARE RICH BLACK AMERICANS in New Orleans. SO WHAT??? Were they discriminated against as well??
ALSO THE MAYOR who happens to be BLACK also made public transportation available....He DID NOT utilize everything he could have though.

If you care to say there are no Rich Black Americans in New Orleans ..I will take it you have never done any research and are simply race baiting and wanting to cause troubles for whatever reason.
Just as that idiot rapper and the Jessie Jacksons are doing.
How much concern and money have they given??Even BEFORE Katroina.

What about the poor white people that live in the bayous? on Pascagoula? In Biloxi? Anywhere in the effected area?

Nothing but President Bush bashing by those of different political goals and agenda, and using another disaster and the detrimental losses for their own political gain.

Sam wrote:Pardon me while I do not consider talent or art to be applied to ANY rapper.

Well Sam, that would be silly. There are lots of talented rappers.

A more accurate statement would be "I'm too old and cantankerous to like rap music."

My $ .02 worth here.
All the finger pointing and politicizing is not going to help the efforts to fix the problems presented. If politiciians want to help...then cut the red tape and allow things to move faster and left the many, many restrictions that these family's will come across. (here in San Diego (After the fires of 2003) we see it first hand that so few people have been able to rebuild because of red tape and restrictions) If celebrities want to help...donate $$ in sums in equal % to what you or I will do. Its a time to put up and shut up!

Sam wrote:where did he donate anything besides participation in ONE fund raiser and his blatantly derogatory and attacking comments?
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although I don't agree with his opinion or actions it is known that he can be quite generous with donations to many charitable orginizations.

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Pardon me while I do not consider talent or art to be applied to ANY rapper.

Well Sam, that would be silly. There are lots of talented rappers.

A more accurate statement would be "I'm too old and cantankerous to like rap music."

(C)Rap rhymes with CRAP for a reason...Just some people refuse to (C).

Too old and cantankerous? I suppose you will compare (C)rap with people of another generation and comments about "Rock-N-Roll"???

Let me know where that generation had heard music about promoting the killing of policemen or about women being bitches and ho's.

You know, Lee I suppose you are right ...it is gawd awfully silly for anyone to think (C)rap does not involve a talented or artistic or music and that any person to get up and promote such with language and violence and death

Everyone has an opinion ... just like that Siamese cat....

MEANWHILE BACK TO THE TOPIC....

See : http://FederalistPatriot.US/news/depot.asp

and there is this:

From the Federal Patriot 05-36 Brief

The Culture of Blame—on assigning blame for Hurricane Katrina: "Let me make this clear: Everything which has happened as the result of Hurricane Katrina is my fault. Mine. Alone. No one else's. Stop wasting energy pointing fingers and put your hands to work helping out. It was me. Got it? I was a United States Senator from Louisiana in 2001 when the levee at Lake Pontchartrain was declared unsafe and I didn't have enough clout with my Senatorial brethren to get sufficient money appropriated to fix it. It was my fault. Oh. I almost forgot. I was the Commander-in-Chief of all United States Armed Forces in the 1960s which includes the Corps of Engineers. The cost-benefit analysis? My fault. It is my fault that, as the Governor of Louisiana, I didn't foresee the need to have enough Louisiana National Guard troops—the vast majority of whom are NOT currently in Iraq, or Afghanistan or, for that matter, Indiana—pre-positioned and ready to preserve order. I, frankly, forgot that there is a portion of the population which will steal anything from anyone given any opportunity and then will blame it on me because I didn't—in spite of ample warnings by sociologists from large Eastern Universities—foresee the need to have 27" flat-screen television sets available to every family in the New Orleans city limits as soon as the electricity went out. That one WAS my bad. It is my fault that, as Mayor of New Orleans, I was boogying down Bourbon Street the night before the hurricane hit rather than being where I should have been—on the roof of the Superdome pounding in extra nails to hold the roof on. As the architect of the Superdome, it was my fault for claiming that the Dome could survive 200 mile-per-hour winds. It couldn't even handle a relatively gentle 160 mile-per-hour zephyr. Strap me to my drafting table and set me adrift. Global warming? My fault. Despite the fact that nearly every serious climatologist in America has stated over and over again that there is no clear evidence tying human-generated greenhouse gasses to global warming, and even if there were, there is no evidence tying global warming to hurricanes in the Atlantic basin, I was opposed to the Kyoto treaty and so it is my fault. It is also my fault that during the administration of Bill Clinton the U.S. Senate rejected the terms of the Kyoto protocols by a vote of 95-0. That would be zero, zilch, nada, nil, bupkis. As the Grand Poohbah in Charge of all TV Coverage, it is my fault that there is constant video of looters and almost none of humanitarian activities. I am the person who issued the statement: 'No more rescue footage UNLESS the person rescued complains about how long they had to wait or, if he shoots at the rescuers.' And, finally, as Chairman of the National Association of Gasoline Producers it is my fault that I had the bad judgment to put so much of my drilling, refining and transportation assets in a hurricane-prone area like the Caribbean basin. What...was...I...thinking? If I could re-do that whole thing, I would have put all that equipment in Lake Erie and Lake Michigan. There may not be any oil there, but hurricanes are very rare. So. There you have it. Everything that has happened is my fault. Now. Shut up and help."—Rich Galen

Sam wrote:Too old and cantankerous? I suppose you will compare rap with people of another generation and comments about "Rock-N-Roll"???

Let me know where that generation had heard music about promoting the killing of policemen or about women being bitches and ho's.

You know, Lee I suppose you are right ...it is gawd awfully silly for anyone to think (C)rap does not involve a talented or artistic or music and that any person to get up and promote such with language and violence and death

You're being silly Sam. Just because you can't relate to or understand it doesn't mean it's not made by talented people. I don't often listen to it either, but I recognize talent and musical innovation.

You view a lot of the world through a very narrow prism. What rap music do you base your generalizations about the genre on? Which artists have you listened to?

I'll send you some good rap music for christmas there buddy... we'll have you hip-hopping for the holidays!

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Too old and cantankerous? I suppose you will compare rap with people of another generation and comments about "Rock-N-Roll"???

Let me know where that generation had heard music about promoting the killing of policemen or about women being bitches and ho's.

You know, Lee I suppose you are right ...it is gawd awfully silly for anyone to think (C)rap does not involve a talented or artistic or music and that any person to get up and promote such with language and violence and death

You're being silly Sam. Just because you can't relate to or understand it doesn't mean it's not made by talented people. I don't often listen to it either, but I recognize talent and musical innovation.

You view a lot of the world through a very narrow prism. What rap music do you base your generalizations about the genre on? Which artists have you listened to?

I'll send you some good rap music for christmas there buddy... we'll have you hip-hopping for the holidays!

I'll send ya some Biggie Smalls. He was my favorite. Listening to him right now.

Key Lime Lee wrote:

Sam wrote:Too old and cantankerous? I suppose you will compare rap with people of another generation and comments about "Rock-N-Roll"???

Let me know where that generation had heard music about promoting the killing of policemen or about women being bitches and ho's.

You know, Lee I suppose you are right ...it is gawd awfully silly for anyone to think (C)rap does not involve a talented or artistic or music and that any person to get up and promote such with language and violence and death

You're being silly Sam. Just because you can't relate to or understand it doesn't mean it's not made by talented people. I don't often listen to it either, but I recognize talent and musical innovation.

You view a lot of the world through a very narrow prism. What rap music do you base your generalizations about the genre on? Which artists have you listened to?

I'll send you some good rap music for christmas there buddy... we'll have you hip-hopping for the holidays!

Careful there. Lee

I'd hate to see Sam trying to krunk, getting all tripped up by his Stars 'n' Bars, and knocking over the still.

One only had to watch the news BEFORE Katrina made landfall to see the tourists evacuating...and the fact that so few are there now backs that up.

They had no possessions or homes to lose...yet they were encouraged to leave long before the residents were...why didn't anyone come down harder and sooner on those that lived there to get them out?

And it's not like the tourists were living on the streets, they had hotels they were staying in. Don't get me wrong...as a tourist I would have high tailed it out of there. My question is why the tourists seemed to get the info that it would be wise to leave long before the residents did? Is it possible that the tourist dollars were considered more important to the local economy than the folks that live there? NOTE: I am not saying that statement is true, I'm asking a QUESTION, for those that can't distinguish the difference between the two.

Sam-
Kanye West does not do this kind of music that you speak of so your point is non valid.
Neither do tons of other rappers out there.
He's more of a social issues type rapper.
I would also argue that it is art, not as easy as one would think.
Sure lots can do it but not many sound good at it. The turntables are an instrument (In my day I was not too bad on them myself although I have not touched them in years). Also more and more rappers are using live music/bands.
If african drums are music .....so is rap.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:One only had to watch the news BEFORE Katrina made landfall to see the tourists evacuating...and the fact that so few are there now backs that up.

They had no possessions or homes to lose...yet they were encouraged to leave long before the residents were...why didn't anyone come down harder and sooner on those that lived there to get them out?

And it's not like the tourists were living on the streets, they had hotels they were staying in. Don't get me wrong...as a tourist I would have high tailed it out of there. My question is why the tourists seemed to get the info that it would be wise to leave long before the residents did? Is it possible that the tourist dollars were considered more important to the local economy than the folks that live there? NOTE: I am not saying that statement is true, I'm asking a QUESTION, for those that can't distinguish the difference between the two.

From a lot of the interviews I've heard, it seems to be a matter of pride.

"I rode out Camille in '69... I'm not lettin' any hurricane push me out."

Sam wrote: I am sick of the Federal Goverment being bashed... Have you or the media EVEN READ the G.D. Federal Guidelines and recommendations?
People could not deny their own responsibility and culpability. They KNEW the storm was coming.

THEY KNEW AND KNOW what they needed to have on hand. I don't know of anyone regardless of color/race/gender /etc that does not know what they need to have on hand in this area which is in the hurricane zone.
Most every newspaper and grocery store or stop and rob, in the area, has pamphlets telling people what those recommendations and guidelines are.
Among other things.......they are told to HAVE FOOD AND WATER FOR AT LEAST 3 DAYS, as it may take some time for relief workers to arrive!

*************************************************************

PRESIDENT BUSH DID CALL FOR THE RELIEF /FEMA/ WHOEVER TO BE PUT INTO ACTION.


Forget blaming the Federal Goverment and start placing the blame on the local levels! But too many President Bush bashers are out there that won't accept it.... Let's see the MSM put the heat where it belongs.

The Governor and the Mayor dropped the ball. So what they get on TV and scream and yell??? BUT JUST WHO DID THEY ASK FOR HELP?
Let me guess if I get on the airwaves and demand help without contacting proper authorities should I realistically expect them to respond??

Thank you Sam. It's the thruth. Things broke down on all levels,
1)people not having enough supplies to last 2 days let alone 3 or 4.
2)incompetent mayor who didn't evacuate his city and pointed fingers when his own shortcomings shown thru. (he is no Rudi Guiliani)
3)governer who didn't call the guard troops in quick nor ask for federal help quick enough
4)the federal government for not reading the incompetent minds of the local or state governments.


The federal government just can't walk into a state and take over it has to be asked, that is to protect the states.

Being silly because I don't like it and consider to be the crap that it is???
Thank you for being so kind and generous, but
Please don't put yourselves out or the effort..... and send the money you would spend on postage and the cds to the Hurricane Relief efforts. God only knows they would certainly need and would appeciate it more than I would the cds...

WHAT??? Y'ALL ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE CONCERT??? JB is on LIVE on RM and your listening to (C)rap????

WHAT is WRONG with THIS situation???

Not for nothing the people in Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida lost a lot more and bitched a lot less. They were in the situations where they needed food and water, but their elected leaders did what they had to do to get them help.

PirateJeff wrote:4)the federal government for not reading the incompetent minds of the local or state governments.

The federal government just can't walk into a state and take over it has to be asked, that is to protect the states.

What kind of Sherlock did you have to be to see a MAJOR natural disaster was imminent?
We know of a crisis 3 days prior to arrival, and it takes 4 days to intercede?

C"MON!!

Sam wrote:Being silly because I don't like it and consider to be the crap that it is???

Being silly because you consider it crap because you don't like it, and that anyone who makes it must be talentless, and assuming that all rap is police killing and ho slapping. Those are silly points of view.

Don't be square Sam... get jiggy wit' it.

I bet he like's Cowboy Troy

Jimmy rapped on "overkill" and cussed a bit...the nerve...

Btw, if an actor made the same comments it's okay?

Key Lime Lee wrote:Don't be square Sam... get jiggy wit' it.

Fa real

Lightning Bolt wrote:

PirateJeff wrote:4)the federal government for not reading the incompetent minds of the local or state governments.

The federal government just can't walk into a state and take over it has to be asked, that is to protect the states.

What kind of Sherlock did you have to be to see a MAJOR natural disaster was imminent?
We know of a crisis 3 days prior to arrival, and it takes 4 days to intercede?

C"MON!!

The entire National Disaster Medical System was put on full alert Friday before the storm. That activation includes every DMAT, VMAT, DMORT, and Search and Rescue team, in the United States. This was an unprecedented activation and was done 4 days before the event. The ball was rolling and people were ready.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:One only had to watch the news BEFORE Katrina made landfall to see the tourists evacuating...and the fact that so few are there now backs that up.

They had no possessions or homes to lose...yet they were encouraged to leave long before the residents were...why didn't anyone come down harder and sooner on those that lived there to get them out?

And it's not like the tourists were living on the streets, they had hotels they were staying in. Don't get me wrong...as a tourist I would have high tailed it out of there. My question is why the tourists seemed to get the info that it would be wise to leave long before the residents did? Is it possible that the tourist dollars were considered more important to the local economy than the folks that live there? NOTE: I am not saying that statement is true, I'm asking a QUESTION, for those that can't distinguish the difference between the two.

Hmmm care to talk about KeyWest or other places, where tourists ARE "suggested" or told to leave when facing hurricanes??

Let me guess that is racial or something by doing so???
It seems the Mayor of New Orleans made the decision to get the tourists out first...
Take it up with him....

In other words "We are expecting dangerous conditions now go away....is racists or....???" is being favorite to the tourists??? When everyone knows?
If you hear them telling tourists to evacuate...shouldn't that give you a clue???

Everyone in New Orleans KNEW it was coming.... The Mayor KNEW.... WHAT did he do??
See the link I posted above....
The Governor KNEW, WHAT did she do???

People ignore President Bush for authorizing a headstart and getting the people and plans inplace... No one has said anything much about the Mayor or the Govenor giving a headstart or much else about them ....not many at the state levels are getting any blame at all...yet they sure are blaming the Federal Goverment and FEMA with NO HESITATION aren't they?

Have you watched any hurricanes on the news before? ESPECIALLY when headed towards the Fla Keys???

Tell me... who are the people told to evacuate first??? I don't see any favoritism about it..... I don't hear anyone complaining about it being in such manner in the Fla Keys...

People want to call President racist and non caring and FEMA heads to roll.... try starting with the heads of the Governor and the Mayor...you see how much they cared BEFORE it happened and how much aid they requested.....AGAIN it is not up to the Federal Goverment to arbitraily just drop in.....