Citizen Kaine- and Since 1941... No More Creativity.

kurt · Post by **kurt** » October 14, 2005 10:01 pm

Hi all. I was watching the AMC channel last night (rarely do) and I re-watched Orson Welles's, "Citizen Kaine". Why can't Hollywood make something that is TRULY original these days like Citizen Kaine???

Today Hollywood just blows and they hope that we spend our $$$ on remakes- The Exorcist, Dukes of Hazzard, Bewitched, Herbie, Amityville Horror...

I'm sure I've missed many more.

Hollywood.... use your brain(s)...

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » October 14, 2005 10:09 pm

I know and you used to walk to school barefoot and uphill in the snow

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There are plenty of great movies out there. Even in the old daze there were bad movies. Every movie can't be a Pulp Fiction or Sin City.
Myself I've never seen Citizen Kaine but I do like old movies

kurt · Post by **kurt** » October 14, 2005 10:16 pm

Watch it and you will be enlightened! BTW, I had a sled named Rose something.... can't think of the name...but I will.

sailingagain · Post by **sailingagain** » October 14, 2005 10:16 pm

FANTASTIC movie.

I actually caught "Casablanca" the other night. It's amazing how those movies stand the test of time.

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » October 14, 2005 10:23 pm

I have Casablanca, Key Largo, African Queen, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, and To have and have not. Bogey is one of the best ever!!!
Other old faves are True Grit and The Bridge over River Kaui etc. but I also enjoy plenty of new movies. The sky is not falling.

My dad's always trying to get me to watch an old favorite movie called The Manchurian Candidate.

After reading ASPOL I've been wanting to get my hands on The Man Who would be King and see what the big deal is.

johnson2113 · Post by **johnson2113** » October 15, 2005 1:48 am

We were having this conversation the other day. I haven't been to theatre to see a movie, in 3 or 4 years. Sequels and remakes are gettin' real old. I've read a ton of books that would be great movies, I don't know why they just don't rip them off.

I heard they're working on a Dallas remake for next year. Some of these shows and movies were great the first time around, don't tarnish that image with more crap.

CaptainP · Post by **CaptainP** » October 15, 2005 2:47 am

sailingagain wrote:FANTASTIC movie.

I actually caught "Casablanca" the other night. It's amazing how those movies stand the test of time.

My fav.

You're right, though.....originality IS lacking these days. Once in a while you see something original and great, but it's hard to find through all the crap.

Sidew13 · Post by **Sidew13** » October 15, 2005 5:22 am

Never been a "oldies" fan. But Saw Key Largo coming on tv and thought I'd give it a whirle. WOW, Pooh and I was held captive. She hated the ending thought, wanted to see Boggy and Bacall together for that final kiss.

Time to see another "oldie"

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » October 15, 2005 9:38 am

WOW!! Side...you and Pooh are missing out...all of the Bogart/Becall movies are great..and his w/o Becall are excellent, also. The Maltese Falcon is one of the best movies I've seen..

The Big Sleep was Becall/Bogart's first movie..you gotta see it !!!.

"You know how to whistle doncha?" GREAT line from that movie...

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » October 15, 2005 9:56 am

sonofabeach wrote:I have Casablanca, Key Largo, African Queen, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, and To have and have not. Bogey is one of the best ever!!!
Other old faves are True Grit and The Bridge over River Kaui etc. but I also enjoy plenty of new movies. The sky is not falling.

My dad's always trying to get me to watch an old favorite movie called The Manchurian Candidate.

After reading ASPOL I've been wanting to get my hands on The Man Who would be King and see what the big deal is.

The Manchurian Candidate (original) is not a bad movie. They did punch it up a bit (brought it forward from 1965ish to now and making the players Gulf War vets rather than Korean War vets.) when they rereleased it a couple years ago.

The Man Who Would Be King, is Connery and Caine if I remember right, a good bit of acting before Connery really became the "coolest guy in the world" (this was post Bond, and he had made Zardoz... but before The Untouchables put him back up on top); and Caine had hit something of a low between his younger successes and older character work.

There are good movies out there, you just have to turn a bit more critical eye now. Remade TV shows and Serial/sequels really are indications of just how little creativity is out there on the part of most studios. But.. for every "Dukes of Hazard" or "American Pie 9"; there is a "The Usual Suspects" or "A History of Violence" or Shrek.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » October 15, 2005 10:47 am

Don't forget "The Quiet Man" with John Wayne and Maureen O'hara,"Gone With the Wind" are other definite classics...maybe not as good as "Bogie and Bacall"....but all quite much better than trash of today.

The

orginal "Star Wars"

is something that seemed to be new and innovative. If anyone remembers the original when it first came out. As was Close Encounters of the Third Kind". The effects and story were awesome at that time.

I think today the movies are going for either with more hi tech and special F/X, or else going for the old try and true "if it worked for tv we can make it into a better movie" type thing. They money people control the purse strings and decide what they want or else get sold on what they think is a "brilliant idea"...unfortunately it seems most of them are not very good at making those decisions or are easily convinced...

Okies, where are "Hawaii, Five-O"and "WKRP"???

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » October 15, 2005 1:52 pm

some of my new faves are Kill Bill (and basically anything by Tarantino) Sin City. If you've got the technology use it (especially since I spent so much foy my tv

) Carlito's Way is also a fave. I've heard the prequel is good but am scared to try it.
I'm one of the few that like all of the Star Wars movies.

I know it's thing "in thing" to say movies s#ck nowadays as well as just about anything else but it's simply not true.
Speaking of, a friend just told me that "Into The Blue" is really good, and not just because Jessica Alba is in it

another of one my fave old movies is The Bridge Over River Kwai with Alec Guiness in his pre-Obi Wan days.

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » October 15, 2005 3:05 pm

I personally like Sgt. York

Sam · Post by **Sam** » October 15, 2005 3:39 pm

sonofabeach wrote:some of my new faves are Kill Bill (and basically anything by Tarantino) Sin City. If you've got the technology use it (especially since I spent so much foy my tv ) Carlito's Way is also a fave. I've heard the prequel is good but am scared to try it.
I'm one of the few that like all of the Star Wars movies.

I know it's thing "in thing" to say movies s#ck nowadays as well as just about anything else but it's simply not true.
Speaking of, a friend just told me that "Into The Blue" is really good, and not just because Jessica Alba is in it

another of one my fave old movies is The Bridge Over River Kwai with Alec Guiness in his pre-Obi Wan days.

I don't think I care for Tarantino movies much, at least from what I have seen of them...they might be ok, but I would not consider them great, in my book and you may consider them great in yours as may others.

But, while every blind hog can find acorns ....occasionally Hollywood does too, they still go through alot of other things.
Generally speaking, movies film critics will often rip apart, do very well at the box office

Another movie that is a classic ...."American Graffiti"... anyone ever count how big names came out of or "got there start" in that movie? It was relatively low budget and shot in under 30 days. Another low budget and great movie was "Phantasm"....They were innovative.... "Blair Witch Project" was definitely innovative..I did not care for the movie though....and I thought it was overhyped....gave me headaches watching it....But people did love it and it did well in the Box office...Rocky and other action flicks got terrible reviews but did well at the box office too...

It used to be GWTW was the one to compare a "blockbuster" with....

As for the F/X, well when alot of the scenes are computer generated...or the "GRAPHIC" blood and gore are for simple shock value and make a movie....well they can keep them and I really don't consider it to be much of a movie..where are the actors capabilities demonstrated when they get shown up by computer generated imagery? Why not just make the whole movie from computers generated imagery? and save the millions on the actual cost of real actors?

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » October 15, 2005 5:42 pm

Granted, there were a lot of great movies in the "golden age" of Hollywood, but there was a lot of crap back then too.

And I just don't get Tarrantino movies. They have absolutely no attraction for me to go see them.