Tolerance - give it a try.

thegoatgod · Post by **thegoatgod** » November 14, 2005 11:51 pm

Tiki Bar wrote:
Catch 22!

i went fishing today, but i didnt catch 22

prrthd1987 · Post by **prrthd1987** » November 14, 2005 11:51 pm

I am actually in a group like this in my school: DOVE (Developing Opportunities that Value Everyone). Our club motto is a quote from Ghandi:

"Be the change you wish to see in the world"

Tiki Bar · Post by **Tiki Bar** » November 14, 2005 11:51 pm

maggiemay56 wrote:
Tiki Bar wrote:
UAHparrothead wrote:All the African-American kids sit in one section, all the jocks sit in one section, the band geeks in one, the "goth" kids in one.
I think for the most part it's just a natural inclination to hang out with and befriend people you share interests with. If an individual participates in multiple extra-curricular activities, and is friendly to any and everyone, they can choose whichever "table" they want to sit with, and switch it up every day!

I don't see it as a problem unless there is exclusivity, and I honestly never experienced that.
I graduated from both H.S. & college in the 70's, so my memory's a little foggy , but from what I remember, cliques were pervasive then. And having 2 of my 3 kids through school, it doesn't seem much has changed.

Groups & cliques are great when people can share common interests. Sometimes, however, it seems like certain people in groups appear to derive pleasure or status by excluding people from their group. It's not always a matter of just be nice and any group will accept you.

If only it were that simple.

This is true! It's not fair of me to generalize based solely on my experiences. I guess what I was trying to say was that there are always exceptions to "the rule".

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » November 14, 2005 11:55 pm

Elrod wrote:
Gulfbreeze wrote:
mings wrote:I thought that this thread was about alcohol tolerance.
So did RTW...
Maybe we should have lunch and discuss that?

MMM and while in Key West I found a new favorite drink...

MMMM must share..

Tiki Bar · Post by **Tiki Bar** » November 14, 2005 11:57 pm

prrthd1987 wrote:I am actually in a group like this in my school: DOVE (Developing Opportunities that Value Everyone). Our club motto is a quote from Ghandi:

"Be the change you wish to see in the world"

I don't know who this Ghandi character is, but that's a very powerful statement! Words to live by even!

Oh, and

to my first statement!

prrthd1987 · Post by **prrthd1987** » November 14, 2005 11:58 pm

Tiki Bar wrote:Oh, and to my first statement!

Gulfbreeze · Post by **Gulfbreeze** » November 15, 2005 12:03 am

thegoatgod wrote:
Tiki Bar wrote:HEY!!!! Please discontinue the hijacking!

by asking us to discontinue the hijacking, you are not being very tolerant of our conversation, and that bothers me

Wait a minute...let me check the rules...yep, you are in compliance... carry on goat

On The Edge · Post by **On The Edge** » November 15, 2005 12:09 am

I am leaving the staff room tomorrow and eating lunch among the kids. I will choose a tabel of students that I have not taught, or coached, and I will take time to get to know them, and let them show me how I can effect a positive change in their lives at school. I will be buying their lunch tomorrow.

Tiki Bar · Post by **Tiki Bar** » November 15, 2005 12:18 am

On The Edge wrote:I am leaving the staff room tomorrow and eating lunch among the kids. I will choose a tabel of students that I have not taught, or coached, and I will take time to get to know them, and let them show me how I can effect a positive change in their lives at school. I will be buying their lunch tomorrow.

So you're going to "buy" their acceptance? I think you'd be better off just sitting amongst them, so as not to dillute your intent.

On The Edge · Post by **On The Edge** » November 15, 2005 12:25 am

Tiki Bar wrote:
On The Edge wrote:I am leaving the staff room tomorrow and eating lunch among the kids. I will choose a tabel of students that I have not taught, or coached, and I will take time to get to know them, and let them show me how I can effect a positive change in their lives at school. I will be buying their lunch tomorrow.
So you're going to "buy" their acceptance? I think you'd be better off just sitting amongst them, so as not to dillute your intent.

No not at all..... my intent will not be dilluted. Only comments like that dillute positive intentions. The lunch ladies already know, and the kids I will be eating lunch with simply won't be charged.

Tiki Bar · Post by **Tiki Bar** » November 15, 2005 12:44 am

On The Edge wrote:
Tiki Bar wrote:
On The Edge wrote:I am leaving the staff room tomorrow and eating lunch among the kids. I will choose a tabel of students that I have not taught, or coached, and I will take time to get to know them, and let them show me how I can effect a positive change in their lives at school. I will be buying their lunch tomorrow.
So you're going to "buy" their acceptance? I think you'd be better off just sitting amongst them, so as not to dillute your intent.
No not at all..... my intent will not be dilluted. Only comments like that dillute positive intentions. The lunch ladies already know, and the kids I will be eating lunch with simply won't be charged.

Well, no offense, but that's the impression I get. If you just sit with them and talk with them, they may think - "wow, that was cool", but you risk them thinking "what a dork", or "what the heck was that", or "that was weird." You're more likely to get an honest reaction.

Throw in a free lunch, and they almost inevitably think "wow that was cool", or worst case "whatever - he can sit here any day if he's buying!"

On The Edge · Post by **On The Edge** » November 15, 2005 1:33 am

Tiki Bar wrote:
On The Edge wrote:
Tiki Bar wrote:
On The Edge wrote:I am leaving the staff room tomorrow and eating lunch among the kids. I will choose a tabel of students that I have not taught, or coached, and I will take time to get to know them, and let them show me how I can effect a positive change in their lives at school. I will be buying their lunch tomorrow.
So you're going to "buy" their acceptance? I think you'd be better off just sitting amongst them, so as not to dillute your intent.
No not at all..... my intent will not be dilluted. Only comments like that dillute positive intentions. The lunch ladies already know, and the kids I will be eating lunch with simply won't be charged.
Well, no offense, but that's the impression I get. If you just sit with them and talk with them, they may think - "wow, that was cool", but you risk them thinking "what a dork", or "what the heck was that", or "that was weird." You're more likely to get an honest reaction.

Throw in a free lunch, and they almost inevitably think "wow that was cool", or worst case "whatever - he can sit here any day if he's buying!"

It is not as if the students I will be eating lunch with are unaware of the "mix it up" program, actually I was invited by a few groups of kids I have not taught or coached, buying them lunch is the least I can do to thank them for the invite. The kids will also be eating lunch with others they have never eaten lunch with before.

I really appreciate however the possibile things the kids may think of me.

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » November 15, 2005 6:48 am

big hat carmen wrote:
SMLCHNG wrote:
On The Edge wrote:As for the "study" and "research" , it is extensive and reaches back to the days our founding fathers sat down and wrote the preamble, the declaration of independance, and the constitution. The modern movement has it's roots in the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s.
Please elaborate and show us where the facts, websites, and studies are to back this up? I'm rather curious.
I also took the research classes and realize that I can make statistics say exactly what my funding source wants it to say.

amen to that.

rsgeist · Post by **rsgeist** » November 15, 2005 9:15 am

There seems to be an undercurrent of intolerance here for the original premise presented (or perhaps it's more directed at the poster involved). While I may be a bit skeptical as to the practicality of any of these types of programs, I'm not willing to dismiss them as "just more of what's been tried before".

"All we are saying, is give peace a chance."

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » November 15, 2005 9:23 am

On The Edge wrote:I am leaving the staff room tomorrow and eating lunch among the kids. I will choose a tabel of students that I have not taught, or coached, and I will take time to get to know them, and let them show me how I can effect a positive change in their lives at school. I will be buying their lunch tomorrow.

So, basically you're gonna find a bunch of kids you haven't had a chance to screw up yet, and sieze the opportunity to do so. Nice...

sunseeker · Post by **sunseeker** » November 15, 2005 9:30 am

Maybe I am clueless as to the hostility toward this thread. I don't know the background of On The Edge or who he/she is and what has occurred on this board. I do however work in education at the college level and still see intolerance of groups every day! I truly don't think that we can change EVERY single person in the world but it does seem that this concept has good intentions. Stepping out of your normal social circle can open up a world that you never knew existed. Whether we like it or not cliques still exist in high school, college, churches, workplaces, etc. If we each may a conscious effort to try and break down a "few" of these barriers then it can postively change the world even if just a little bit. Its the pay it forward mentality...and we don't need research to tell us that this makes since and works.

I do agree with many of you that research can and "does" in some cases say what people want it to day. But in most studies there are many many educated people that scrutinize and have rebuttals for the person doing the research. And without research and studies we would all truly be flying blind. would any of us want to take a drug if it had not been throughly researched and studied? Sometimes, in life we have to use common sense...sometimes we have to rely on what others know. In some case we have to do both.

maggiemay56 · Post by **maggiemay56** » November 15, 2005 10:18 am

Interesting topic, too bad it seems other issues are getting in the way of an intelligent discussion.

Sunseeker & rsgeist expressed things very well.

I'm not an educator, by profession, nor am I your basic touchy-feely- sit around & sing Cumbuya (sp?

) person. But intolerance exists - any other ideas on how to minimize intolerance? Aren't those of us that are baby boomers "supposed" to care?

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » November 15, 2005 10:24 am

maggiemay56 wrote:Interesting topic, too bad it seems other issues are getting in the way of an intelligent discussion.

Sunseeker & rsgeist expressed things very well.

I'm not an educator, by profession, nor am I your basic touchy-feely- sit around & sing Cumbuya (sp? ) person. But intolerance exists - any other ideas on how to minimize intolerance? Aren't those of us that are baby boomers "supposed" to care?

Since there's an inherent bias already at work in this thread it's highly unlikely to evolve into an actual intelligent conversation. It goes to show the nature of BN that some people that are not even aware of On the Edge's past history here have been able to pick up on that without even being told. As long as that bias exists the conversation is much more likely to devolve into the usual hijacking topics of cheese, boobies, sporks, etc. (and no, BB, that's not directed at you). I'm just speaking from experience...

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » November 15, 2005 10:39 am

Jahfin wrote: (and no, BB, that's not directed at you). I'm just speaking from experience...

Thanks Jah. No offense taken.

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » November 15, 2005 10:48 am

Intolerance exists, always has and always will. It's the nature of the beast. You can have all kinds of programs in school every day until you run out of things to say but no 2 kids are alike and no matter how much lip service they pay to it if someone is different, whether they look different, act different or speak different, there will always be other kids who break their chops. Whether it's good or bad, that's how kids are.