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Tolerance - give it a try.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:06 pm
by On The Edge
Based on PMs from the past, I thought some might find this to be interesting reading. This was the national movement that inspired my Masters Thesis. Much of my work and research has been sited in several publications. The point is to address bullying and clique behavior in schools. This week is national "Break Down the Walls" week. My classroom and our school is very involved. It's a good read, and may provoke some thought.
http://www.tolerance.org/teens/dialogue.jsp
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:28 pm
by ragtopW
I built up quite a tol.... oH you did not mean to Booze did you????

Posted: November 14, 2005 9:32 pm
by SMLCHNG
My thoughts? Bullying and cliques have been around for hundreds of YEARS, and it's just the way some humans or animal species act. And no amount of dialogue or touchy feely programs are going to change some people. And my level of tolerance has been pushed to the limit by some, and I'm a VERY tolerant person.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:36 pm
by ragtopW
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:37 pm
by On The Edge
SMLCHNG wrote:My thoughts? Bullying and cliques have been around for hundreds of YEARS, and it's just the way some humans or animal species act. And no amount of dialogue or touchy feely programs are going to change some people. And my level of tolerance has been pushed to the limit by some, and I'm a VERY tolerant person.
Interesting statement, but research tends to disagree with you. I prefer the optimistic outlook.

Posted: November 14, 2005 9:40 pm
by SMLCHNG
On The Edge wrote:Interesting statement, but research tends to disagree with you. I prefer the optimistic outlook.

Who's research? Just because someone does 'research' doesn't make it right. I'm very optimisitc, but also realistic.
Re: Tolerance - give it a try.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:41 pm
by Tiki Bar
On The Edge wrote:This week is national "Break Down the Walls" week.
Will you be looping JB's "Coast of Carolina"?
Cliques have always existed in high school. They keep them around as fodder for classic movies like Grease, Revenge of the Nerds, Breakfast Club, American Pie, etc.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:41 pm
by On The Edge
This movement is far from touchy feely, in fact standing up for one's self, one's beliefs and one's values is one of the interventions used for dealing with intolerant behavior. The research concerning adult behavior does vary slightly from that of children, perhaps the key is to start with the children. If that is the case, our school district is on the right track.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:43 pm
by Tiki Bar
SMLCHNG wrote:My thoughts? Bullying and cliques have been around for hundreds of YEARS, and it's just the way some humans or animal species act.
GPHMTA!!

Posted: November 14, 2005 9:43 pm
by On The Edge
SMLCHNG wrote:On The Edge wrote:Interesting statement, but research tends to disagree with you. I prefer the optimistic outlook.

Who's research? Just because someone does 'research' doesn't make it right. I'm very optimisitc, but also realistic.
I suggest you read the site, look at the links, and read the research yourself. It is very clear.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:44 pm
by On The Edge
Tiki Bar wrote:SMLCHNG wrote:My thoughts? Bullying and cliques have been around for hundreds of YEARS, and it's just the way some humans or animal species act.
GPHMTA!!

Or is it the way some humans act like animals?
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:46 pm
by Tiki Bar
On The Edge wrote:Tiki Bar wrote:SMLCHNG wrote:My thoughts? Bullying and cliques have been around for hundreds of YEARS, and it's just the way some humans or animal species act.
GPHMTA!!

Or is it the way some humans act like animals?
This coming from the "woof" guy!

Posted: November 14, 2005 9:50 pm
by On The Edge
Tiki Bar wrote:On The Edge wrote:Tiki Bar wrote:SMLCHNG wrote:My thoughts? Bullying and cliques have been around for hundreds of YEARS, and it's just the way some humans or animal species act.
GPHMTA!!

Or is it the way some humans act like animals?
This coming from the "woof" guy!

Yes, humor is a wonderful quality.
Re: Tolerance - give it a try.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:53 pm
by sunseeker
On The Edge wrote:Based on PMs from the past, I thought some might find this to be interesting reading. This was the national movement that inspired my Masters Thesis. Much of my work and research has been sited in several publications. The point is to address bullying and clique behavior in schools. This week is national "Break Down the Walls" week. My classroom and our school is very involved. It's a good read, and may provoke some thought.
http://www.tolerance.org/teens/dialogue.jsp
good website......i'd love to hear how things turn out at your school. I actually can use some of these ideas with my freshman orientation at the college level.
Interesting that someone mentioned The Breakfast Club.....because that is exactly what the movie did. It mixed up and challenged boundaries....hmmmmm
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:54 pm
by UAHparrothead
It is very interesting. One of the most segragated places in the country is a high school lunchroom. All the African-American kids sit in one section, all the jocks sit in one section, the band geeks in one, the "goth" kids in one. That is at least the way it was at my high school. Even at Vanderbilt, where there is suppose to be so much tolerance and open-mindedness, in my Hebrew Bible class (a required class, so lecture has about 80 students), the African-American students almost all sit in one section of the classroom. Very interesting.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:56 pm
by SMLCHNG
On The Edge wrote:SMLCHNG wrote:On The Edge wrote:Interesting statement, but research tends to disagree with you. I prefer the optimistic outlook.

Who's research? Just because someone does 'research' doesn't make it right. I'm very optimisitc, but also realistic.
I suggest you read the site, look at the links, and read the research yourself. It is very clear.
I did read. All I got out of it was this:
Mix it Up is a nationwide campaign to identify, question and break down walls of division. The Study Circles Resource Center and Tolerance.org and Teaching Tolerance — two projects of the Southern Poverty Law Center — combined efforts to create Mix It Up. Nothing more to me than a bunch of talking. Just like HR departments try to do on the job with treating others the 'right' way. Some folks just won't, no matter how much they talk or how many seminars they go to.
Again, it doesn't make it gospel just because someone did a 'study' and reasearch.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:58 pm
by SMLCHNG
Tiki Bar wrote:SMLCHNG wrote:My thoughts? Bullying and cliques have been around for hundreds of YEARS, and it's just the way some humans or animal species act.
GPHMTA!!


Re: Tolerance - give it a try.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:58 pm
by On The Edge
sunseeker wrote:On The Edge wrote:Based on PMs from the past, I thought some might find this to be interesting reading. This was the national movement that inspired my Masters Thesis. Much of my work and research has been sited in several publications. The point is to address bullying and clique behavior in schools. This week is national "Break Down the Walls" week. My classroom and our school is very involved. It's a good read, and may provoke some thought.
http://www.tolerance.org/teens/dialogue.jsp
good website......i'd love to hear how things turn out at your school. I actually can use some of these ideas with my freshman orientation at the college level.
Interesting that someone mentioned The Breakfast Club.....because that is exactly what the movie did. It mixed up and challenged boundaries....hmmmmm
Luckily our Counseling Department is fully behind us. This year they were able to get the Lance Armstrong style bracelets in our school colors. A nice little message about character and change printed on them. More and more schools jump on board each year. The links are good, the activities are very appropriate for middle, high school and even college ages. I would love to sit in on some of the college level converstations that would arise out of these activities. I have seen "different side of the tracks" friendships arise out of this week every year. A small step in the right direction.
Posted: November 14, 2005 9:59 pm
by sunseeker
SMLCHNG wrote:On The Edge wrote:SMLCHNG wrote:On The Edge wrote:Interesting statement, but research tends to disagree with you. I prefer the optimistic outlook.

Who's research? Just because someone does 'research' doesn't make it right. I'm very optimisitc, but also realistic.
I suggest you read the site, look at the links, and read the research yourself. It is very clear.
I did read. All I got out of it was this:
Mix it Up is a nationwide campaign to identify, question and break down walls of division. The Study Circles Resource Center and Tolerance.org and Teaching Tolerance — two projects of the Southern Poverty Law Center — combined efforts to create Mix It Up. Nothing more to me than a bunch of talking. Just like HR departments try to do on the job with treating others the 'right' way. Some folks just won't, no matter how much they talk or how many seminars they go to.
Again, it doesn't make it gospel just because someone did a 'study' and reasearch.
you are absolutely right Penny. Not everyone is going to get it and you won't be able to change everyones mind. But if you can help SOME people and make a difference in a few lives then it is worth it. At least I like to think so....

Posted: November 14, 2005 10:01 pm
by SMLCHNG
sunseeker wrote:you are absolutely right Penny. Not everyone is going to get it and you won't be able to change everyones mind. But if you can help SOME people and make a difference in a few lives then it is worth it. At least I like to think so....

Absolutely, Shannon.. And I do agree with you.
