Page 2 of 8
....
Posted: November 26, 2005 5:31 pm
by VancouverIslander
Popcorn and beer!
I'm so glad IAM Canadian sometimes during arguments like this.
Posted: November 26, 2005 5:33 pm
by bravedave
chalksoperations wrote:I would like to propose another thought. I think the system is working just fine.
The teacher made his views on things very clear in the form of the information he put in his quiz. The students, knowing there could have been many ways to convey the basic context of the class material in this quiz, took the initiative to call him on it.
As a result, the teacher has to answer for it. I feel the students did see it as hyberbolic and tongue-in-cheek and also didn't appreciate it. As a group, some of them took it upon themselves to act on their feelings and tell him he was full of BS.
Maybe, just maybe....there is hope for our public education system after all.
On a side note, my most sincerest thank you to all you teachers. The two most important jobs in the world are mothers and teachers, and a double thanks to those who choose both professions.
VS.
a1aara wrote:I agree that politics should be kept out of the public schools. Last year in my daughters school district there was a problem with a teacher giving her political/religous views on abortion. She was "preaching" this to second graders. A number of parents on both sides of the fence were a little upset. This was way to much for your average second grader to understand.
I think I come down on your side of the fence in this particular case, Chalks. If these kids are old enough to earn a place on the Debate Team, why not let them spar with a teacher on a topic they have feel has merit.
The example from his quiz was delivered tongue-in-cheek, but he still opened the door for some honest debate.
No foul. Play on.
Posted: November 26, 2005 5:35 pm
by Sam
Burny Charles wrote:You sidestepped my question.
But, to answer your question, I think ol' Billy was speaking coherently when he said he didnt have sexual relations with Lewy, he was lying his arse off, but man, the conviction he said that with, sheesh.
Well how is this for an answer...he is not the best nor the worst speaker I have ever heard what is your point? Perhaps enunciation is his problem. Maybe he should wear his glasses more often.
However I do believe that generally yes he does speak coherently and the media and those who bash him capitalize on every slip up (verbal or otherwise) he makes.
Posted: November 26, 2005 6:08 pm
by buffettbride
I can't pronounce "dubya" right.
Posted: November 26, 2005 6:10 pm
by buffettbride
What's the difference between a "liberal" and a "left-wing extremist"? Is that like saying a Republican is different than a "Bushie"?
Posted: November 26, 2005 6:10 pm
by buffettbride
I wonder if Clinton and Dubya would share a bowl of popcorn if they had the opportunity?
Do you think they like the lube-job butter topping?
Posted: November 26, 2005 6:11 pm
by buffettbride
I like cheese popcorn. It tastes good and it's easy to pronounce.
Posted: November 26, 2005 6:12 pm
by buffettbride
I wonder how many of the presidents (liberals and Bushies alike) wear fur.
The world may never know.
Posted: November 26, 2005 6:12 pm
by buffettbride
I believe that children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride.
Posted: November 26, 2005 6:13 pm
by buffettbride
This one time, in high school, I had a really evil Spanish teacher. I wasn't doing very well in class, despite the fact both English and Spanish were used at home. When my parents went in for parent-teacher conferences, my step-dad tried speaking Spanish to the teacher and she had no clue what he was saying.
Posted: November 26, 2005 6:30 pm
by CandyLMT
bravedave wrote:chalksoperations wrote:I would like to propose another thought. I think the system is working just fine.
The teacher made his views on things very clear in the form of the information he put in his quiz. The students, knowing there could have been many ways to convey the basic context of the class material in this quiz, took the initiative to call him on it.
As a result, the teacher has to answer for it. I feel the students did see it as hyberbolic and tongue-in-cheek and also didn't appreciate it. As a group, some of them took it upon themselves to act on their feelings and tell him he was full of BS.
Maybe, just maybe....there is hope for our public education system after all.
On a side note, my most sincerest thank you to all you teachers. The two most important jobs in the world are mothers and teachers, and a double thanks to those who choose both professions.
VS.
a1aara wrote:I agree that politics should be kept out of the public schools. Last year in my daughters school district there was a problem with a teacher giving her political/religous views on abortion. She was "preaching" this to second graders. A number of parents on both sides of the fence were a little upset. This was way to much for your average second grader to understand.
I think I come down on your side of the fence in this particular case, Chalks. If these kids are old enough to earn a place on the Debate Team, why not let them spar with a teacher on a topic they have feel has merit.
The example from his quiz was delivered tongue-in-cheek, but he still opened the door for some honest debate.
No foul. Play on.
I agree....
These are high school students. By the time they graduate they are of the age to vote. I think they are much more politically savvy than we give them credit for.
Getting kids to debate a subject is an excellent learning experience. Perhaps they may even learn the skills necessary to argue a point concisely and coherently on a message board
Posted: November 26, 2005 7:54 pm
by buffettbride
CandyLMT wrote:
Getting kids to debate a subject is an excellent learning experience. Perhaps they may even learn the skills necessary to argue a point concisely and coherently on a message board
Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like much "debate" happened. Seems more like someone ran to mommy and daddy because they didn't like what the teacher used as an example to teach.
Posted: November 26, 2005 7:57 pm
by Touch O Parrotdise
same kids that make us sit pretzel style, call it a holiday tree and make us not celabrate birthdays..
Posted: November 26, 2005 8:09 pm
by Sam
buffettbride wrote:CandyLMT wrote:
Getting kids to debate a subject is an excellent learning experience. Perhaps they may even learn the skills necessary to argue a point concisely and coherently on a message board
Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like much "debate" happened. Seems more like someone ran to mommy and daddy because they didn't like what the teacher used as an example to teach.
Go back and REREAD it, maybe this time you will see where it says about no one knows who complained. Besides you know what they say opinions don't you, or at least you should by now.
So just what was the teacher trying to teach? His own political agenda and views?
Since you are now a parent... is the teacher/school system
ALWAYS RIGHT in what they teach? and should you as a parent or any parent, have no say in what and how your child is taught???
As for my post being incoherent or whatever, again you should know what they say about opinions, and if you don't I am sure someone else willl let you know or I can let you know....
Posted: November 26, 2005 8:18 pm
by jonesbeach10
Wow. After reading both sides, I am even more convinced that our country is ready for a moderate candidate to come into the mix, someone who is willing to go both sides, dems and republicans. I'm just sick of hearing the bickering from both sides.
Posted: November 26, 2005 8:31 pm
by Touch O Parrotdise
like gov Pataki??
Posted: November 26, 2005 8:32 pm
by jonesbeach10
Touch O Parrotdise wrote:like gov Pataki??
Or America's Mayor...Rudy Guliani.
Ya gotta be doing something right if you're an elected republican in New York, no less mayor of NYC or governer of the state.
Posted: November 26, 2005 8:33 pm
by CandyLMT
Sam wrote:buffettbride wrote:CandyLMT wrote:
Getting kids to debate a subject is an excellent learning experience. Perhaps they may even learn the skills necessary to argue a point concisely and coherently on a message board
Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like much "debate" happened. Seems more like someone ran to mommy and daddy because they didn't like what the teacher used as an example to teach.
Go back and REREAD it, maybe this time you will see where it says about no one knows who complained. Besides you know what they say opinions don't you, or at least you should by now.
So just what was the teacher trying to teach? His own political agenda and views?
Since you are now a parent... is the teacher/school system
ALWAYS RIGHT in what they teach? and should you as a parent or any parent, have no say in what and how your child is taught???
As for my post being incoherent or whatever, again you should know what they say about opinions, and if you don't I am sure someone else willl let you know or I can let you know....
My post was in no way inferring to the coherency of your argument or anyone else's in this thread. I was a teacher at one time and my statement was that debating a subject is an excellent learning experience... teaches a student how to present his side and to listen to the other side being presented. These skills carry over into daily living... such as debating a subject on a message board.
What was he trying to teach? The article states that the teacher shares his views in order to prompt debate from his students.
Posted: November 26, 2005 8:47 pm
by CandyLMT
...and a good debate gives our Canadian friend Vancouver Islander something to watch while enjoying popcorn and beer
Posted: November 26, 2005 8:48 pm
by Touch O Parrotdise
hmmm.. you know better..thats not what was happening here..sorry.
debating like you said is a great way to teach.. thats not what this teacher did..