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ph4ever wrote:
You know I've never seen a PETA group at a rodeo. Wonder why?

Don't have a clue..I don't go to either one....rodeo or circus

ph4ever wrote:

Moonie wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

captainjoe wrote:PETA is entitled to their opinions the same way that Sam and longlinergirl are. I am a fisherman and a hunter but I do see where they are coming from. They both (Tucker and PETA) both make valid points.

You're right - my distaste for PETA stands from personal experience with them harrassing kids and parents that were attending Ringling Bros Circus.

I detest circuses, and will continue to do my part to make it illegal for them to have elephants and tigers, or lions...

horses, dogs. etc.. no problem, ...there is no place for an elephant in a circus, as well as tigers and lions..

IMHO there's no place at all where a grown person should harass and scare little children either. While I can respect and understand a few of their views their tactics are what bothers me.

You know I've never seen a PETA group at a rodeo. Wonder why?

Well there is Halloween of course..... MUHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA

Well probably because they would be so easy to pick out of the crowd and they are afraid of the "bull milking" event which they would be forced to participate in..... They are probably naive enough to believe that a cow has only one udder...and go for it. LOL

If your are from my area and are unfortunate enough to have PETA’s world headquarters located in your back yard, Norfolk, Virginia then PETA is called

PEOPLE EMBARASSING The TIDEWATER AREA.


A local radio station has a yearly fishing tournament and rally right next to there riverfront location. I wonder how they like that.

VB for Buffett wrote:If your are from my area and are unfortunate enough to have PETA’s world headquarters located in your back yard, Norfolk, Virginia then PETA is called

PEOPLE EMBARASSING The TIDEWATER AREA.


A local radio station has a yearly fishing tournament and rally right next to there riverfront location. I wonder how they like that.

KEWL someone mentioned that earlier....I think people should leave a dead mullet or other fish wrapped in newspaper on their front steps.....( no doubt spreading some chum around in the summer months would be greatly appreciated too,...maybe splash some up against the wall.

I know a whilke back they were going after the BSA( Boy Scouts) for fishing....
I have no empathy for PETA ( Other than People Eat Tasty Animals and the one you mentioned...)They are rated right up there with eco terrorists in my book with a bunch of misguided followers that have no clue as to what they are really participating in or contributing to.

So does anyone have any ideas for a t-shirt design? I am going to estimate here that the design of the silkscreen and colors would cost around $130.00 maybe less ....maybe more....a few years ago it was less so I added a bit for price increases. I dunno the cost of the shirts now so would not even begin to guess.....but they were fairly inexpensive at the time when bought in large numbers.

I have a sort of idea for a ball cap too....but that is another thing all together....or maybe getting a patch made ...used to be able to get patches made pretty inexpensively.....I would not think that has changed too much....

captainjoe wrote:

Moonie wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

captainjoe wrote:PETA is entitled to their opinions the same way that Sam and longlinergirl are. I am a fisherman and a hunter but I do see where they are coming from. They both (Tucker and PETA) both make valid points.

You're right - my distaste for PETA stands from personal experience with them harrassing kids and parents that were attending Ringling Bros Circus.

I detest circuses, and will continue to do my part to make it illegal for them to have elephants and tigers, or lions...

horses, dogs. etc.. no problem, ...there is no place for an elephant in a circus, as well as tigers and lions..

How can you draw a line and say "Well, go ahead and mistreat the dogs but leave the elephants and tigers alone"?

OK good point. But don't we every day say that?

I will eat lamb but not Sheep?
Cow but not Horse?
Pig but not Goat??


also I am opposed to Dog racing no other reason than
when I see the Highlghts of a Day at the track
there is almost always a spill or a dog getting slammed in the face by the
arm because the dog is going the wrong way..
or some other Mishap..


and and and Uh OH

I am not opposed to going to see the Fish fights (yes peeps they DO exist.) no moral Issue for me at all, fish fighting?? I got 5 on the
blue one.

and Cockl fighting the same way I have no moral issue
I got 5 on the Gray one..

yes they are against the law (in most states)
but I have no moral issues

But Dogs???? no way lock up them SOBs and hang them

no way do I want to see a dog fight and IMHO it should be against the law.


so I guess in some way we all do pick a line and draw it.

Moonie wrote:as far as I know, Louisiana is the only state that dog fighting is still legal.

Oklahoma has made it against the law, but some of the legislators are making an effort to water-down the original law passed, because their constituents want it that way. Talk about neanderthals... I figure they probably have some kind of interest in it.

I have seen dogs after a fight. It's the most disgusting, brutal, horrifying thing I've ever had to witness. I've never seen a fight, I know those who have. It can also be very dangerous to mess with this crowd, very few show up without being well armed.

I think cock fighting was included in it..or they made it illegal to cross state lines with the roosters. It's every bit as burtal as dog fighting and I simply do not understand, nor do I want to, anyone who would see sport out of somthing that is as violent as either one is..


Hmmm..another reason I left Oklahoma....

I know many Greyhounds are put down for various reason, same a horse racing. I guess it's all for sport.....same as fox hunting...

I guess the thing is I do not condone Dog Racing
But I still go to the Ponys once in a while
and I was just pointing out that we all have a line
that by Individual we have set for ourselves.



and yes the Dog fighting crew do not see the inside of a sunday school
room very often..

As the owner of race horses we know that it is possible that some owners will put down their horses at the end of a season or sell them overseas or for dog food. But not all race horse owners do that, we don't know of any that do and wouldn't associate with them if they did. The only time a horse has been put down at our home track is when they were absolutely suffering and that was the most humane thing to do to them. Race horses know when they are racing - they sense it by the routine change. They get excited.

Fighting roosters is a pretty big time thing in various places around the world.One thing they do to the roosters is add on these blades so they can litterally kill each other.

Takes the sport out of it.
Fighting dogs in this area I am sure,, it is done by some. but no one seems to know who or when or where. People's dogs had a way of disappearing and no one knows how or why. Someone I know had several dogs just up and dissappear. One of mine did.She was an old Dobie. May God have mercy on the bastards souls if they took her and if I ever find out they did. It is Christmas and I have some Christmas Spirit I am more than happy to share with them.
I have seen the results of some dog fights and it is clearly sickening and the money the bastards make and is exchanged is unreal.

Meanwhile here is something from PETA trying to buy commercial time on tv.

If you take the link you can see the video and suppposedly others made by the people named in the article.
I don't really wonder if these people donated the money to actually helping animals being fed and watered, sheltered and spaying and neutering animals and/or finding them homes, rather to a bunch of eco-terrs....that seek wanton destruction, commit acts of arson and what not.....They might just accomplish some actual good....

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http://tmz.aol.com/article1?id=20051129174309990001

The Joaquin Video the Networks Didn't Want You to See
Phoenix ad too hot for TV
PETA (PHOTO)
Pamela Anderson

Other celebrity PETA ads
Pamela Anderson
Charlize Theron
Alicia Silverstone
William Shatner
Bill Maher
Alec Baldwin
Dennis Franz

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TMZ has obtained a 30-second PETA commercial featuring Joaquin Phoenix gleefully pushing a shopping cart through grocery aisles. Suddenly, the scene turns dark as Joaquin eyeballs dead turkeys. The 'Walk the Line' star looks into the camera lens with an ominous warning: "Holidays can be murder on turkeys."

Joaquin Phoenix's never-before-seen ad for PETA
Officials from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) say they attempted to purchase commercial time on the major TV networks for this ad several years ago, before Phoenix rose to mega-stardom. PETA tells TMZ the networks rejected the offer, some calling it "too graphic," others claiming it inappropriately advocated a position.


TMZ placed calls to the major networks. They never got back to us.

Can I add that to my Sig line???


Holidays can Be murder on Turkeys!!!!!



WAIT what about the Yams?? and The Spuds???

and.. Cranberries??!!!

ragtopW wrote: Can I add that to my Sig line???


Holidays can Be murder on Turkeys!!!!!



WAIT what about the Yams?? and The Spuds???

and.. Cranberries??!!!

OH MY, THE INHUMANITY OF IT!!!! Yams and spuds, and cranberries have rights!!!! Must save them!!!

Go For it!!!
You know, I did not hear anything abou them offering to give away "tofu turkeys" this year... I wonder what was up with that....Did they finally figure out that ver few if anyone actually ate them???

For anyone that continues to think PETA ( NOT THE People Eat Tasty Animals group) are a decent and real animal protection group....see just how much they spend on the animals they claim to protect.....

They are a front for ELF AND ALF among other known domestic terrorists groups. There is information on the site about the groups.and damage and attacks they have done.
I am only posting a small part of one page and some of the info it contains

Go here for the full info :
http://www.activistcash.com/organizatio ... cfm/oid/21
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People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
501 Front Street, Norfolk, VA 23510
Phone 757-622-7382 | Fax 757-622-0457 | Email info@peta-online.org



People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has been described as "by far the most successful radical organization in America." The key word is radical. PETA seeks "total animal liberation," according to its president and co-founder, Ingrid Newkirk. That means no meat or dairy, of course; but it also means no aquariums, no circuses, no hunting or fishing, no fur or leather, and no medical research using animals. PETA is even opposed to the use of seeing-eye dogs.
SOURCE LIBRARY AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
» Click here to learn what motivates PETA.
» Click here to read about PETA's "black eyes."
» Click here to find out where PETA's millions come from.
» Click here for audio and video of PETA officers and other animal rights extremists.
» Click here to discover how PETA is connected to other activist groups.
» Click here to see PETA's cash donation to the terrorist Earth Liberation Front.
» Click here to see $70,000 in PETA grants to a convicted animal-rights arsonist.
» Click here to see the money trail between PETA and its phony "physicians committee" front group.
» Click here to learn about PETA's hypocritical practice of killing thousands of animals.


Amidst the dozens of animal rights organizations, PETA occupies the niche of -- in Newkirk's own words -- "complete press sluts." Endlessly seeking media exposure, PETA sends out dozens of press releases every week.

In the past, PETA has handled the press for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), a violent, underground group of fanatics who plant firebombs in restaurants, destroy butcher shops, and torch research labs. The FBI considers ALF among America's most active and prolific terrorist groups, but PETA compares it to the Underground Railroad and the French Resistance. More than 20 years after its inception, PETA continues to hire convicted ALF militants and funds their legal defense. In at least one case, court records show that Ingrid Newkirk herself was involved in an ALF arson.

PETA has even begun to adopt the tactics of an ALF offshoot known as SHAC (Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty). This group is notorious for taking protests outside the boardroom and into the living room, attacking their targets at their homes.

In 2001, three masked SHAC members brutally bludgeoned a medical researcher outside his home in England. The lead attacker was arrested and sentenced to three years in prison. A few months later, SHAC attacked another research industry employee on his doorstep with a chemical spray to his eyes, leaving him temporarily blinded and writhing in pain. The following year, Newkirk was asked her opinion of SHAC in the Boston Herald. Her response? "More power to SHAC if they can get someone's attention."

By 2003, PETA activists had adopted SHAC's protest techniques, stalking and harassing fast-food restaurant executives. Not content to write letters and picket the chain restaurant's offices, PETA's leaders met with the CEO's pastor, and visited his country club and the manager of one of his favorite restaurants. PETA activists, one dressed in a chicken suit, even protested at the church of two executives, annoying worshipers by driving a truck with giant screens of slaughterhouse video back and forth along the street.

In an effort to win more media exposure, PETA has adopted the counter-intuitive tactic of buying stock in restaurant and food companies that serve and sell meat. After buying just enough shares to qualify, PETA's pattern is to introduce shareholder resolutions that would require animal-rights-oriented practices in the way animals are handled and slaughtered.

PETA's goal as a shareholder, of course, is not to turn a profit. Its resolutions, if passed, would increase the cost of doing business and lower the value of everyone's investment. The group has claimed that it's "not trying to remove meat from the menu." But with a stated long-term goal of "total animal liberation," pushing for animal-welfare changes is just a first step. PETA's short-term goals are to economically cripple these companies, force them to increase the retail price of meat, and nudge consumers toward eating less of it.

PETA collected almost $29 million in donations in 2004 alone, but few donors understand exactly where their money is going. During the past ten years, PETA has spent four times as much on criminals and their legal defense than it has on shelters, spay-neuter programs, and other efforts that actually help animals.

From both a moral and a legal standpoint, there are far too many objectionable things about PETA to list here in detail. But the following "top ten list" is a good start: ....
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I can make a shirt for nothing ...I have a transfer thing that goes through my printer...its not the best quality, but its pretty nice...if someone has a design and will email it to me or post it!

As for where the money goes, a lot of money from various "save the____" and enviromental groups go to lawyers that spend their whole career sueing people to get what they awnt done. They are run by people with unlimted funds and way too much time on their hands.

As far as circuses, the animals seem embarrassed. I don't know if animals can be embarassed, but thats always what it seems like, so I don't like to go to them.

Dogs and ponies, I LOVE though, and I'm sure like anything else, there are good and bad owners. I have never seen a dog run backwards and run into the rabbit though...you can adopt dogs that are old racing dogs. There are groups that specifically do just that (adopt them out that is).

Oh and on roosters, you don't have to add spikes, thay come equiped
with them all ready.


There was more, but I'm out of time...

Couple of thoughts about the horse related comments earlier (and as one of those people who was riding before I could walk, I feel qualified to offer this opinion):
*What PH4ever said about racehorses is entirely true. While racing isn't "my" sport, I've NEVER know ANYONE in ANY horse sport put an animal down unless the animal was in misery w/ no hope of recovery.

*Foxhunting: It IS a sport. A native of Virginia, I know a thing or two about it. I've never known any hunt to hunt the actual fox; they're practically extinct. It's even become illegal (or almost) in England for the same reason.

The vast majority of horses in racing, hunting, or jumping ("my" sport, when I was a "few" years younger) ENJOY what they do. They get excited when it's time to go to their job. The really great ones clearly get into "the zone" when it's time to do their job. You would not BELIEVE the lengths people go to NOT to put a horse down, whether it's a working horse or your backyard "pet" horse.

While filming Walk The Line, Pheonix had a wardrobe coordinator from PETA to ensure that all this clothes were cruelty free. Even wearing plastic leather boots.

UAHparrothead wrote:While filming Walk The Line, Pheonix had a wardrobe coordinator from PETA to ensure that all this clothes were cruelty free. Even wearing plastic leather boots.

Johnny's probably still spinning.

rednekkPH wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:While filming Walk The Line, Pheonix had a wardrobe coordinator from PETA to ensure that all this clothes were cruelty free. Even wearing plastic leather boots.

Johnny's probably still spinning.

Plastic cowboy boots are just WRONG

phjrsaunt wrote:The vast majority of horses in racing, hunting, or jumping ("my" sport, when I was a "few" years younger) ENJOY what they do. They get excited when it's time to go to their job. The really great ones clearly get into "the zone" when it's time to do their job. You would not BELIEVE the lengths people go to NOT to put a horse down, whether it's a working horse or your backyard "pet" horse.

Auntie, I didn't know you were a jumper!? Just jumping or 3 day?

I used to have two horses I showed regularly and they always knew when it was time. They couldn't wait to get out there and GO. They took pride in it. The Belgian Draft I have now is my big baby trail horse. He is as spoiled as they come. They are companions, and I'm willing to bet they get as much out of our companionship as people get out of them.

I competed in the Devon horse show twice way back in the day, and that was during the time there used to be local idiots picketing out front for cruelty to animals (horses and dogs, there was a dog show there as well). I don't think they were Peta, but close enough. Used to try and bang on the walls of the trailers as people brought their horses in. Just shows how absolutely ignorant they are.

Cripes, the horses and dogs there, for the most part, are far more spoiled than most humans.

I think my point way back there was to agree with the 'there are good owners and bad owners', just like there are good parents/bad parents, and good/bad people in general.

/end rambling

phjrsaunt wrote:
*Foxhunting: It IS a sport. A native of Virginia, I know a thing or two about it. I've never known any hunt to hunt the actual fox; they're practically extinct. It's even become illegal (or almost) in England for the same reason.

Aunty come to Idaho we got plenty of Fox

and the ones in England are raised for the purpose of being hunted.

phjrsaunt wrote: The really great ones clearly get into "the zone" when it's time to do their job. .

You'd probably be surprized at the number of race horses that ARE sold for dog food, or shipped abroad to be slaughtered. ...

some are excellent horses, just not winners on the track..Many, MANY owners would never consider doing such a thing, however, to a lot of owners, horses are a money making business, that's all. If they can't turn the bucks, they're gone. These aren't just the injured ones. And this isn't information I've picked up on television, horses were raced in Oklahoma long before it became legal, and I knew quite a few trainers, as well as jockeys.....