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Any time you're dealing with an illegal activity you're going to have shady owners out there. There's no way an intelligent individual can even think that illegal races are the same as legal races that are governed by state mandated rules and regulations.

As far as horses being sold for dog food or shipped abroad I would be willing to bet that in my part of the country it happens mainly to horses that go to public auction - I know that was true in Texas as well, in fact the Houston SPCA has actually gone out to these auctions with the sole purpose of buying these horses so the overseas market and the dog food companies don't get them. Most of the owners we know retire the horse to pasture by either giving it or selling it to be a saddle horse. We've even given our retired horses to kids.

Again I say that you can't condemn a whole group of individuals for the actions of a small percentage. Horse owners do have a monitory investment in their horses - we're not going to take a horse that's winning and could produce future winners and sell it for Alpo. And if you have a lot of money and time invested in that horse you're simply not going to want your horse to be sold for a loss to be nothing more than Alpo.

PETA as a group sanctions it's harassment of people and children. They glorify a nude woman standing in front of a circus. I don't know but isn't public nudity a crime and with PETA encouraging the actions aren't they in fact being criminal as well. If you urge someone to rob a bank, aren't you just as guilty? And let's not forget PETA employees are currently facing federal animal cruelty charges for killing and dumping dogs and cats. PETA has a HIGH percentage, around 85%, for euthanizing any animal that it comes in contact with.


In my opinion before any PETA member or employee can honestly try to make positive changes for animals - they need to start within their own organization before they try to clean up anyone else's act.

The fact that race horses or others are being sold for pet food or to the glue factory or whatever, being done by some, does not say that all people that own horses do it ....any more than the "E" in PETA means that PETA are/is really for ETHICAL Treament of Animals. They are nothing but extremists being supported by many misguided people and weak minded idiots. ( How intelligent does one have to be to hold up a sign and protest tthat "RATS HAVE RIGHTS!"???

Some people, may have probably gotten rid of the horses as a simple tax write off. They never cared about the animal. Probably never saw much more than photo of it..or perhaps they did see it and had bad interreaction with it. Who knows???

I really do not know if foxes are endangered in England/the U.K. I know they are not endangered here.

PETA took in around $29,000,000.00 in ONE YEAR.
I think one of the pages said PETA spends around 1% of the money taken in on animals. You can do the math and figure out what 1% of that amount is. Does that sound like they are really ETHICAL in their treatment of animals.....let alone the ones they euthanize. How many hungry people could they have fed or clothed or found jobs for or even housed? Yet find where they actually help people out, other than the domestic terrorists....

With $29,000,000.00 how many animals could they have realistictly helped and fed and payed for spaying and neutering or finding homes?
How many shelters could they have helped? REMEMBER that $29,000,000.00 is only one years take for PETA.
Read the site: http://www.activistcash.com/organizatio ... cfm/oid/21
The details are there of just what PETA REALLY IS and and ACTUALLY DOES.

Contributing, supporting, and defending ALF and ELF and other organizations and crimminals who assualt and batter people, commit acts of arson, and destroy private and other property. Go to the site and see who a lot of PETA employees are. ( convicted felons from ALF and perhaps other so called "activists"...)

PETA is about activism and shock value. They took the lesson of, teaching the kids, then they will ( they feel ) eventually control the future generation. I call it brainwashing for lack of a better term.

Do I think animals should be treated ethically and humanely....well not by PETA's standards, nor do I know of many that do.

I will give credence and preference to the life of an innocent person. I do not buy into PETA's pseudointellect of of claiming "A rat is pig is a dog is a boy." A rat is a rat. A pig is pig. A dog is a dog. A boy is a boy and human. A cockroach is a cockroach. We exterminate rats, mice, cockroaches, and other vermin.

Too bad PETA is allowed to pull the stunts and acts they do under the presumption and guise, they are for protecting or treating animals ethically, when all they are really doing is lining their pockets and supporting eco-terrorists, the destruction of private and public property and assualt and battery on humans.

ph4ever wrote:Any time you're dealing with an illegal activity you're going to have shady owners out there. .

Horse racing wasn't illegal...per se, they made BETTING legal, pari mutual betting. The race itself was never illegal, same as a turtle race, gaming on the race was illegal, at one time.

It's very difficult to pick out the unscrupulous horse broker who is only at an auction representing a factory or overseas interests, they keep it well hidden, unfortunately.. it's big business..., the ASPCS, HSUS does what it can, but it's an auction, they go to the highest bidder..

Hmm, I've never seen PETA, or any other organization protesting at a horse race..?? wonder why?.

When will PETA start doing something about those horrible wild animals, be it wolves, lions, tigers, bears, alligators, etc. who brutally murder and eat the poor, innocent smaller animals

Sam wrote:Some people, may have probably gotten rid of the horses as a simple tax write off. They never cared about the animal. Probably never saw much more than photo of it..or perhaps they did see it and had bad interreaction with it. Who knows???

Some of these horses also come from poorly run carriage companies, places that provide pony rides, some of the lesser credible riding 'schools', and so on. In PA, there are several around my way that still have horse auctions, and the couple of times I went, I found this out from some of the better dealers there who knew who the 'slaughter' buyers were.

phjrsaunt wrote:*Foxhunting: It IS a sport. A native of Virginia, I know a thing or two about it. I've never known any hunt to hunt the actual fox; they're practically extinct. It's even become illegal (or almost) in England for the same reason.

I only hunt the 2-legged kind.

ph4ever wrote:We've even given our retired horses to kids.

Connie, not knowing much about horses, would a retired race horse make a good (safe) saddle horse for an inexperienced rider, especially a kid?

rednekkPH wrote:

ph4ever wrote:We've even given our retired horses to kids.

Connie, not knowing much about horses, would a retired race horse make a good (safe) saddle horse for an inexperienced rider, especially a kid?

Frankie, are you looking for a horse for a child?

sy wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

ph4ever wrote:We've even given our retired horses to kids.

Connie, not knowing much about horses, would a retired race horse make a good (safe) saddle horse for an inexperienced rider, especially a kid?

Frankie, are you looking for a horse for a child?

No, I was just curious. I know eventually Christine wants one - but that will have to wait until we get our land straightened out and build.

rednekkPH wrote:

sy wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

ph4ever wrote:We've even given our retired horses to kids.

Connie, not knowing much about horses, would a retired race horse make a good (safe) saddle horse for an inexperienced rider, especially a kid?

Frankie, are you looking for a horse for a child?

No, I was just curious. I know eventually Christine wants one - but that will have to wait until we get our land straightened out and build.

Ah ok, I know you're not all that far from me, and there are some very good places around me that have semi-retired horses that are still fairly young (under 10), very reasonably priced, and have very gentle dispositions. They're good for western and trail riding.

Didn't I hear somewhere that PETA is protesting against KFC for mistreatment of chickens.


Do they understand the purpose of KFC?

diamonddan wrote:Didn't I hear somewhere that PETA is protesting against KFC for mistreatment of chickens.

Do they understand the purpose of KFC?

The were protesting the care of the chickens before they were slaughted.

Here's their propaganda site for that particular target:

http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/petakfc.asp

I didn't read through all of the posts, and I'm not going to be a goofball here. After skimming the article I have this one thought:

Has anyone at PETA thought that moving too far to the extreme will not win over any more fans? It seems like each thing they do is only to be outdone by the next, and no thought is actually given to how they're being perceived by the rest of the country. After seeing the rat protest - did anyone really join PETA's cause? I bet it was less than the number of people they forever "turned off" to their cause that day. Brilliant, people. Brilliant.

mings wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, and I'm not going to be a goofball here. After skimming the article I have this one thought:

Has anyone at PETA thought that moving too far to the extreme will not win over any more fans? It seems like each thing they do is only to be outdone by the next, and no thought is actually given to how they're being perceived by the rest of the country. After seeing the rat protest - did anyone really join PETA's cause? I bet it was less than the number of people they forever "turned off" to their cause that day. Brilliant, people. Brilliant.

The answer to that would be a resounding no. If you've ever tried to actually have a coherent conversation with any of these people who call themselves members (I have, seriously), they do not want to hear what you think. They don't want to hear anything that does not coincide with their own 'beliefs'. The simple fact that you would attempt to discuss both sides or any side of an issue other than theirs automatically puts you on the 'other side' and then you might as well just walk away.

sy wrote:

mings wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, and I'm not going to be a goofball here. After skimming the article I have this one thought:

Has anyone at PETA thought that moving too far to the extreme will not win over any more fans? It seems like each thing they do is only to be outdone by the next, and no thought is actually given to how they're being perceived by the rest of the country. After seeing the rat protest - did anyone really join PETA's cause? I bet it was less than the number of people they forever "turned off" to their cause that day. Brilliant, people. Brilliant.

The answer to that would be a resounding no. If you've ever tried to actually have a coherent conversation with any of these people who call themselves members (I have, seriously), they do not want to hear what you think. They don't want to hear anything that does not coincide with their own 'beliefs'. The simple fact that you would attempt to discuss both sides or any side of an issue other than theirs automatically puts you on the 'other side' and then you might as well just walk away.

...and therefore with such a reaction like that you've received, I and most of the rest of America will continue to move further and further away from giving a damn about them. Some people should just disappear.

mings wrote:

sy wrote:

mings wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, and I'm not going to be a goofball here. After skimming the article I have this one thought:

Has anyone at PETA thought that moving too far to the extreme will not win over any more fans? It seems like each thing they do is only to be outdone by the next, and no thought is actually given to how they're being perceived by the rest of the country. After seeing the rat protest - did anyone really join PETA's cause? I bet it was less than the number of people they forever "turned off" to their cause that day. Brilliant, people. Brilliant.

The answer to that would be a resounding no. If you've ever tried to actually have a coherent conversation with any of these people who call themselves members (I have, seriously), they do not want to hear what you think. They don't want to hear anything that does not coincide with their own 'beliefs'. The simple fact that you would attempt to discuss both sides or any side of an issue other than theirs automatically puts you on the 'other side' and then you might as well just walk away.

...and therefore with such a reaction like that you've received, I and most of the rest of America will continue to move further and further away from giving a damn about them. Some people should just disappear.

Precisely. They firmly belive somehow that bullying and 'forcing' people to see and hear them and their materials, that it will scare and turn people to see their way.

It's like any other extremist group that only has tunnel vision, there simply is no talking to them rationally.

sy wrote:

mings wrote:

sy wrote:

mings wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, and I'm not going to be a goofball here. After skimming the article I have this one thought:

Has anyone at PETA thought that moving too far to the extreme will not win over any more fans? It seems like each thing they do is only to be outdone by the next, and no thought is actually given to how they're being perceived by the rest of the country. After seeing the rat protest - did anyone really join PETA's cause? I bet it was less than the number of people they forever "turned off" to their cause that day. Brilliant, people. Brilliant.

The answer to that would be a resounding no. If you've ever tried to actually have a coherent conversation with any of these people who call themselves members (I have, seriously), they do not want to hear what you think. They don't want to hear anything that does not coincide with their own 'beliefs'. The simple fact that you would attempt to discuss both sides or any side of an issue other than theirs automatically puts you on the 'other side' and then you might as well just walk away.

...and therefore with such a reaction like that you've received, I and most of the rest of America will continue to move further and further away from giving a damn about them. Some people should just disappear.

Precisely. They firmly belive somehow that bullying and 'forcing' people to see and hear them and their materials, that it will scare and turn people to see their way.

It's like any other extremist group that only has tunnel vision, there simply is no talking to them rationally.

....hence why I can't take their cause seriously and couldn't give a flying (insert rest of cliche here) about them.

UNfortunately... not everyone sees it that way....They collected $29 MILLION dollars in one year.... They are getting Alot of people's attention and money. They are buying stocks in restaurants so they can push idiotic policies to the board members and force votes and come up with procedures that drive up costs...they are not into it for the money....they are in it for control.

Sam wrote:UNfortunately... not everyone sees it that way....They collected $29 MILLION dollars in one year.... They are getting Alot of people's attention and money. They are buying stocks in restaurants so they can push idiotic policies to the board members and force votes and come up with procedures that drive up costs...they are not into it for the money....they are in it for control.

Bingo! and that is it, in a nutshell

Sam wrote:UNfortunately... not everyone sees it that way....They collected $29 MILLION dollars in one year.... They are getting Alot of people's attention and money. They are buying stocks in restaurants so they can push idiotic policies to the board members and force votes and come up with procedures that drive up costs...they are not into it for the money....they are in it for control.

The reason they get money from people is that people are uninformed. They spew their propaganda to them and people say well hell I don't want animals to suffer..heres a dollar, or 5 dollars to help. They go door to door and ask for money and tell their misinformation to people, and people will give them a dollar to go away. Similar things happen with fishing. The enviros hit up people in Kansas(with little or at least less knowledge than people who live on the ocean) and tell them the dolphins are dying, well of course no one wants to see the cute little dolphins die heres some money to help, when all that really does is give them money to wage war against fishermen, commercial and recreational.