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rednekkPH wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:

LIPH wrote:Fishing is just an excuse to waste time and drink beer.

To some of us its a job

How dare you take something as good and pure as fishing and turn it into work? You should be ashamed of yourself.

lol...well if you HAVE to work, it might as well be something you want to do, right?

Jahfin wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Jahfin wrote: ... if racing isn't a sport it has never been dispproved.

Let's deconstruct this statement.

... if racing isn't a sport
My opinion is that it isn't.

... it has never been disproved.
Sounds like you just proved my point. It has never been disproved that racing isn't a sport. Thank you. The prosecution rests.

There goes your lack of comprehension skills again or maybe it just comes from getting a law degree out of the back of Rolling Stone magazine but no one has ever proved racing isn't a sport. For something that's been in existance as long as automobile racing you'd think if it wasn't a sport someone would of concluded otherwise by now. Fact of the matter is, they haven't. It is recognized as a sport the world over.

Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

In an earlier post I addressed what I feel is your basis for sport, the acceptance by many people. (Remember the "fart" analagy?) What everyone accepts does not necessarily make it a cold hard truth. The Loch Ness Monster example is perfect.

I never expected to find a conclusion that all walks of life can agree to just by debating this point. Do I think, in my own opinion, that any form of auto racing is a sport? No. Neither do I think that bowling, figure skating, gymnastics, are sports. Are gymnasts athletes? Yes, but that which they engage in is not a sport. They are two very different things, and that is central to this debate. (something a lot of people missed.)

LIPH wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

LIPH wrote:Fishing is just an excuse to waste time and drink beer.

Duh...

I didn't say it was a bad thing.

But we're not supposed to let the women-folk in on that little secret.

I like to fish with dynamite, now that's sport fishin....

longlinergirl wrote:

mings wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

mings wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:if your sitting down while doing it... it's not a sport.

that's not true. Rowing - you sit, but it is a sport.

No, it's a waste of perfectly good fishing resources.

who wants to fish from a 3/8" think carbon fiber rowing shell?

can you troll at rowing speed? if so, I'm in

never tried it but I do know you can water ski

rednekkPH wrote:

LIPH wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

LIPH wrote:Fishing is just an excuse to waste time and drink beer.

Duh...

I didn't say it was a bad thing.

But we're not supposed to let the women-folk in on that little secret.

Oh sweetie. We know. 'Cause while you're doing that, we're spending all the money at the mall for new Pradas and a divorce lawyer.

mings wrote: Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. I can't help it if your argument is weak but I've got some news for ya, auto racing is a sport. So is motocross and the other activities you mentioned.

LIPH wrote:What proof? I've seen a lot of people, on both sides, say they think it is or isn't a sport but I haven't seen any facts that would convince me one way or the other. My opinion is that it isn't a sport. Other people's opinion is that it is a sport. But that's all it is, is opinion.

Sidew13 wrote:Category 1: A contest of defense and offense -
If you leading a race your on the defense. 2-43 positions are on the offense to take the lead

Category 2: A competition of measured performance -
DUH, the finish line is the measurement. And the faster a car goes and the faster the crew works, the better a driver can be

Category 3: A head-to-head competition to a fixed point - the drivers skill and talent is in driving a 200mph, 3500lb. car with 42 other drivers for 3-5 hours straight. And drivers DO go through strenght training

also....

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/21/Grand ... r_re.shtml
A recent study shows race car drivers are as well-conditioned as other athletes - and their sport is just as demanding.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/driven/

http://www.sportsmanagementworldwide.co ... n_auto.asp


need more proof??

http://www.libraries.psu.edu/business/i ... sdefin.htm

http://www.coopfoodstore.com/news/Archi ... light.html



I used Google.com and typed in are race car drivers athletes
http://www.google.com/search?q=are+race ... art=0&sa=N

any questions?? need more proof???

Jahfin wrote:

mings wrote: Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. I can't help it if your argument is weak but I've got some news for ya, auto racing is a sport. So is motocross and the other activities you mentioned.

Dude, did you get beat up a lot in grade school that you're such a wise guy now. What's the matter with posting with out attacking people.

it's still not a sport

Jahfin wrote:

mings wrote: Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. I can't help it if your argument is weak but I've got some news for ya, auto racing is a sport. So is motocross and the other activities you mentioned.

They are skill tests ....... not a sport of strength/fitness. ...

(and what is the point of looking at racing car drivers - you cant see a thing - not good for female viewers )

creeky wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

mings wrote: Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. I can't help it if your argument is weak but I've got some news for ya, auto racing is a sport. So is motocross and the other activities you mentioned.

They are skill tests ....... not a sport of strength/fitness. ...

(and what is the point of looking at racing car drivers - you cant see a thing - not good for female viewers )

I'm staying out of the "is auto racing a sport" argument, because it's pointless to argue opinions as fact. However, to say that driving a race car or race bike is not an activity that requires strength and physical fitness is ridiculous. In fact, I'd venture to say that it requires a higher level of fitness, as these drivers don't get to rest, as do athletes in just about every other sport.

Jahfin wrote: Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. .

Didnt you get the memo?????

creeky wrote: They are skill tests ....... not a sport of strength/fitness. ...

Agreed. I think that's the base issue at debate here.

rednekkPH wrote:

creeky wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

mings wrote: Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. I can't help it if your argument is weak but I've got some news for ya, auto racing is a sport. So is motocross and the other activities you mentioned.

They are skill tests ....... not a sport of strength/fitness. ...

(and what is the point of looking at racing car drivers - you cant see a thing - not good for female viewers )

I'm staying out of the "is auto racing a sport" argument, because it's pointless to argue opinions as fact. However, to say that driving a race car or race bike is not an activity that requires strength and physical fitness is ridiculous. In fact, I'd venture to say that it requires a higher level of fitness, as these drivers don't get to rest, as do athletes in just about every other sport.

It is engine and skill v engine and skill ... being fitter than someone else wont get you a win - if you have a crap motor

creeky wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

creeky wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

mings wrote: Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. I can't help it if your argument is weak but I've got some news for ya, auto racing is a sport. So is motocross and the other activities you mentioned.

They are skill tests ....... not a sport of strength/fitness. ...

(and what is the point of looking at racing car drivers - you cant see a thing - not good for female viewers )

I'm staying out of the "is auto racing a sport" argument, because it's pointless to argue opinions as fact. However, to say that driving a race car or race bike is not an activity that requires strength and physical fitness is ridiculous. In fact, I'd venture to say that it requires a higher level of fitness, as these drivers don't get to rest, as do athletes in just about every other sport.

It is engine and skill v engine and skill ... being fitter than someone else wont get you a win - if you have a crap motor

It will if the guy with the good motor isn't fit enough to keep his physical and mental concentration sharp for the duration of the race.

I'm staying out of the "is auto racing a sport" argument, because it's pointless to argue opinions as fact

that is the point we are trying to make to JAH. I say it is not a sport and that is just my opinion.

mings wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

mings wrote: Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. I can't help it if your argument is weak but I've got some news for ya, auto racing is a sport. So is motocross and the other activities you mentioned.

Dude, did you get beat up a lot in grade school that you're such a wise guy now. What's the matter with posting with out attacking people.

Apparently you can add "Define Sport" to the subjects that can not be civilly discussed here (along with religion, politics and whether prawns are better eaten with cocktail sauce or drawn butter).

rednekkPH wrote:

creeky wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

creeky wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

mings wrote: Jah, you're getting a little worked up over this. There's no need to attack anybody, even if it's in jest. This is a simple debate. Deal with it and don't take it personally, nor make it personal.

Damn, I didn't know mindreading was one of your skills or that you'd taken over this site and now have the right to tell people how and what to post. I can't help it if your argument is weak but I've got some news for ya, auto racing is a sport. So is motocross and the other activities you mentioned.

They are skill tests ....... not a sport of strength/fitness. ...

(and what is the point of looking at racing car drivers - you cant see a thing - not good for female viewers )

I'm staying out of the "is auto racing a sport" argument, because it's pointless to argue opinions as fact. However, to say that driving a race car or race bike is not an activity that requires strength and physical fitness is ridiculous. In fact, I'd venture to say that it requires a higher level of fitness, as these drivers don't get to rest, as do athletes in just about every other sport.

It is engine and skill v engine and skill ... being fitter than someone else wont get you a win - if you have a crap motor

It will if the guy with the good motor isn't fit enough to keep his physical and mental concentration sharp for the duration of the race.

you could probably make a case for spelling bee's as a sport than. The mental concentration is obvious and towards the later rounds those kids have to stand for an extreme amount of time