Was 113-point game bad sportsmanship?

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » February 3, 2006 12:36 pm

It was VERY BAD SPORTSMANSHIP. The small town I grew up in produced 2 NFL/College coaches. In the gym for years was a sign hung up with a good sportsman creed: A lead like that is not necessary in interscholastic sports. Ann is right - I'm with her 100% Preach it Sista!!!

Live by the Sporting Creed

The Athlete…

1. Lives clean and plays hard. Plays for the love of the game.

2. Wins without boasting, loses without excuses and never quits.

3. Respects officials and accepts their decisions without question.

4. Never forgets that he/she represents his/her school.

The Coach…

1. Makes a sport fun for participants.

2. Inspires in his/her athletes a love for the game.

3. Teaches them that it is better to lose fairly than to win unfairly.

4. Leads players and spectators to respect officials by setting a good example.

The Official…

1. Knows the rules.

2. Is fair and firm in all decisions. Calls them as he/she sees them.

3. Treats players and coaches courteously and demands the same treatment.

4. Knows the game is for the athlete and lets them have the spotlight.

The Spectator…

1. Keeps emotions and attitudes balanced.

2. Appreciates a good play, no matter who makes it.

3. Knows the school gets the blame or the praise for his/her conduct.

4. Speaks up when others are being "poor sports".

Sam · Post by **Sam** » February 3, 2006 12:41 pm

iuparrothead wrote:
Sam wrote:
f2cdlzrd wrote:As a current high school women's basketball coach and a former player, I believe the coach should be held accountable for this injustice. Sure she breaks the record, but she also breaks the spirit of the other team. I would never do this to an opposing team. And contrary to popular belief, you can stall the basketball and run a zone offense. We do not have a 30-second shot clock in my school, but the situation could have been handled differently.
So how are records that have been set, allowed to be broken?
If it were a more competative, closer scored game then it would be more appropriate... but when it's 74-11 at halftime, there is a certain coaching etiquette that says you hold off, pull your starters and don't embarrass the other team.

It's not simply sports/team/competition mentality we're discussing here... it's teenage girls psyche too... and no matter the endless rhetoric about how players should play hard to the end and never give up, if teenage girls are getting embarrassed and humiliated, they shrink away from the competition and lose their competative spirit... that's simply the reality of the situation.

Okies granted that may the inclination to withdraw...granted I don't even begin the teenager psyche male or female.. (and often have enough trouble with my own.)
But they are a team and if they all collapse in the face of strife or a severe challenge, then they stand for nothing don't they?
Not being funny or slam here,...I am being serious. I mean how did you learn to cope with adversity in life ? Someone has to push the girls through and help them be young women who can make it on their own and to survive failures and to be able to deal with them.

Is there that much difference in adolesence between the sexes?

I can see both sides of the issue but I have a hard time telling someone to turn down a once in a life opportunity...while I can understand that the sscore was 74-11 at half time and the losing coah could have called the game couldn't she? Or would that be worse on the psyche of the players?
The old saying about " in for a penny, in for a pound." applies. perhaps they were outclassed by the other team,or perhaps it was only that one girl that broke the record.

I am glad the teams played clean and no one was injured or seriously hurt, well at least other than egos.....

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » February 3, 2006 12:49 pm

iuparrothead wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:Life is tough. Almost every aspect of life is competitive. You're not doing these kids any service by playing down to their level. They need to be shown that in life, just as in that game, if you go out and give a half-assed effort, you're gonna get trampled on by those who try harder. To bring the level of play down, you're teaching them that they don't have to try to excel, because those around them will take it easy on them. Sounds like a good way to prepare them for a life on welfare.
I cite this post as the perfect example of someone who should not be coaching... and certainly not coaching teenage girls.

Yeah, you wouldn't want them growing up with a sense of reality or anything like that.

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » February 3, 2006 12:57 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:Life is tough. Almost every aspect of life is competitive. You're not doing these kids any service by playing down to their level. They need to be shown that in life, just as in that game, if you go out and give a half-assed effort, you're gonna get trampled on by those who try harder. To bring the level of play down, you're teaching them that they don't have to try to excel, because those around them will take it easy on them. Sounds like a good way to prepare them for a life on welfare.
I cite this post as the perfect example of someone who should not be coaching... and certainly not coaching teenage girls.

Yeah, you wouldn't want them growing up with a sense of reality or anything like that.

Your version of reality is nothing like what a teenage girl goes through. They will have plenty of opportunities to learn competition and achievement outside of athletic competition, but this situation will only do more harm then good to them... no matter how you feel about it. THAT is reality.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » February 3, 2006 1:00 pm

iuparrothead wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:Life is tough. Almost every aspect of life is competitive. You're not doing these kids any service by playing down to their level. They need to be shown that in life, just as in that game, if you go out and give a half-assed effort, you're gonna get trampled on by those who try harder. To bring the level of play down, you're teaching them that they don't have to try to excel, because those around them will take it easy on them. Sounds like a good way to prepare them for a life on welfare.
I cite this post as the perfect example of someone who should not be coaching... and certainly not coaching teenage girls.

Yeah, you wouldn't want them growing up with a sense of reality or anything like that.
Your version of reality is nothing like what a teenage girl goes through. They will have plenty of opportunities to learn competition and achievement outside of athletic competition, but this situation will only do more harm then good to them... no matter how you feel about it. THAT is reality.

In the immortal words of Denis Leary "Life sux, get a f*ckin' helmet"

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » February 3, 2006 1:02 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:
rednekkPH wrote:Life is tough. Almost every aspect of life is competitive. You're not doing these kids any service by playing down to their level. They need to be shown that in life, just as in that game, if you go out and give a half-assed effort, you're gonna get trampled on by those who try harder. To bring the level of play down, you're teaching them that they don't have to try to excel, because those around them will take it easy on them. Sounds like a good way to prepare them for a life on welfare.
I cite this post as the perfect example of someone who should not be coaching... and certainly not coaching teenage girls.

Yeah, you wouldn't want them growing up with a sense of reality or anything like that.
Your version of reality is nothing like what a teenage girl goes through. They will have plenty of opportunities to learn competition and achievement outside of athletic competition, but this situation will only do more harm then good to them... no matter how you feel about it. THAT is reality.
In the immortal words of Denis Leary "Life sux, get a f*ckin' helmet"

I don't know which is scarier... Thinking of Frank as Dennis Leary, or thinking of Frank in touch with the feelings of a teenage girl.

sy · Post by sy » February 3, 2006 1:03 pm

RinglingRingling wrote: I don't know which is scarier... Thinking of Frank as Dennis Leary, or thinking of Frank in touch with the feelings of a teenage girl.

The latter, definitely

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » February 3, 2006 1:08 pm

f2cdlzrd wrote:The teenage girls' psyche. Wow, I deal with that issue everyday.

Right!?!? It's an experience that not too many people are familiar with... and in the athletic competition arena, it's an entirely different monster!

mings · Post by **mings** » February 3, 2006 1:09 pm

sy wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote: I don't know which is scarier... Thinking of Frank as Dennis Leary, or thinking of Frank in touch with the feelings of a teenage girl.
The latter, definitely

Frankie's touching a teenage girl?!?!

Dirtball.

(Does she have any friends?)

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » February 3, 2006 1:10 pm

mings wrote:
sy wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote: I don't know which is scarier... Thinking of Frank as Dennis Leary, or thinking of Frank in touch with the feelings of a teenage girl.
The latter, definitely
Frankie's touching a teenage girl?!?!

Dirtball.

(Does she have any friends?)

she knows him.. does that answer your question?

mings · Post by **mings** » February 3, 2006 1:12 pm

RinglingRingling wrote:
mings wrote:
sy wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote: I don't know which is scarier... Thinking of Frank as Dennis Leary, or thinking of Frank in touch with the feelings of a teenage girl.
The latter, definitely
Frankie's touching a teenage girl?!?!

Dirtball.

(Does she have any friends?)
she knows him.. does that answer your question?

well I was kinda hoping that there may be other peeps. You know, since I'm in the same general vicinity and all.

mings · Post by **mings** » February 3, 2006 1:13 pm

So Ann, are you saying that there should be a difference in how teenage girls are coached versus teenage boys? I'm not trying to start anything here. I actually find it interesting that you say that, because never-fail, this discussion comes up every year with the guys on staff.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » February 3, 2006 1:13 pm

RinglingRingling wrote:
mings wrote:
sy wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote: I don't know which is scarier... Thinking of Frank as Dennis Leary, or thinking of Frank in touch with the feelings of a teenage girl.
The latter, definitely
Frankie's touching a teenage girl?!?!

Dirtball.

(Does she have any friends?)
she knows him.. does that answer your question?

Hey guys, back off. Pick on the fat kid day was Wednesday. You missed your chance.

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » February 3, 2006 1:15 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
mings wrote:
sy wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote: I don't know which is scarier... Thinking of Frank as Dennis Leary, or thinking of Frank in touch with the feelings of a teenage girl.
The latter, definitely
Frankie's touching a teenage girl?!?!

Dirtball.

(Does she have any friends?)
she knows him.. does that answer your question?
Hey guys, back off. Pick on the fat kid day was Wednesday. You missed your chance.

well, just like said kid sittin' at the diner counter, the chance kinda drooped over into Friday.

mings · Post by **mings** » February 3, 2006 1:16 pm

rednekkPH wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
mings wrote:
sy wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote: I don't know which is scarier... Thinking of Frank as Dennis Leary, or thinking of Frank in touch with the feelings of a teenage girl.
The latter, definitely
Frankie's touching a teenage girl?!?!

Dirtball.

(Does she have any friends?)
she knows him.. does that answer your question?
Hey guys, back off. Pick on the fat kid day was Wednesday. You missed your chance.

damn

sy · Post by sy » February 3, 2006 1:17 pm

I played sports in grade and high school, which was an all girls school. Our coaching was 'beat them at all costs' even if it was a blowout and we were blatantly outmatching the team (or outmatched). We never quit, whether we were winning or losing. No one ever said we were unfair if we beat the other team by a great margin, and it would have never crossed our minds to say that it was unfair of the coach to leave a star player in. We would have been ridiculed if someone even suggested that. If we played bad and we were outmatched, then that was life. That was part of the game and as long as the rules weren't broken, that was fine.

That taught us a valuable lesson for the working world. You can't quit, regardless of how the odds are, and you can't depend on someone else to defend you or do your job for you. Because in the end, at least you can say you tried, and people respect you a lot more and you get a lot more opportunities out of life by not quitting, even if you are losing.

Just my ramblings while I eat lunch.

sonofabeach · Post by **sonofabeach** » February 3, 2006 2:21 pm

next thing you know they won't keep score in t-ball or soccer for youngsters.
Like I said ,I've been on teams that got waxed and teams that did the waxing. It happens in sports all of the time and is not really worth all of the whining.....

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » February 3, 2006 2:30 pm

Sam · Post by **Sam** » February 3, 2006 2:43 pm

sonofabeach wrote:next thing you know they won't keep score in t-ball or soccer for youngsters.
Like I said ,I've been on teams that got waxed and teams that did the waxing. It happens in sports all of the time and is not really worth all of the whining.....

I thought they had stopped keeping scores in some places, just like some places refuse to give a child an "F" for failing a test. Such action MIGHT hurt their widdle feelings and give them a life long complex or something.

With all the keets being ( or were) on prozac or whatever medications and all, how do we expect these keets to grow up and handle stress at all?
If you getyour butt waxed or you get skunked at least you will KNOW you did your best. and hopefully learned lessons from it such as how to improve your capabilities or what you did wrong.

No matter how many times you win, you still have to accept the possibility/probability you are going to lose at some point and know how to deal and cope with it.

If a kid has a chance to set a record in a once in lifetime opportunity, why hold them back? Why teach them to be the best at all?
What is unsportsman like, in doing and playing to the best of your ability?

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » February 3, 2006 2:45 pm

Sam wrote:
If a kid has a chance to set a record in a once in lifetime opportunity, why hold them back? Why teach them to be the best at all?
What is unsportsman like, in doing and playing to the best of your ability?

Springer said her team, which has won only four league games this season and lost to Murry Bergtraum by 93 points earlier this season, stopped playing defense in the second half.

“She didn’t earn this,” Springer told the Post.