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Posted: February 15, 2006 2:26 pm
by LIPH
No, you didn't say it was illegal but the way you phrased your question you made it sould like what he did was wrong. In a perfect world it is, but we don't live in a perfect world. And that's something that all politicians, in both parties, do.
Posted: February 15, 2006 2:28 pm
by RhumChum
Hmmm ... what if this woman goes to a party and gets really smashed and crawls into the back seat of a car ... she doesn't know which car because she is so dang smashed ... and passes out. Then the owner of the car, getting smashed at the same party, makes it to his car and drives off a bridge. He doesn't even know she is in the car. Stuff gets settled out of court, yada yada yada, and one day years and years later, some Dick goes hunting and shoots someone in the face and low and behold the car accident gets dredged up.
*yawn*
I fail to see the correlation. Maybe it's just me.
Jaeger ... Jaeger ... Jaeger ...
Posted: February 15, 2006 2:29 pm
by buffettbride
RhumChum wrote:
Jaeger ... Jaeger ... Jaeger ...
Yes please
Posted: February 15, 2006 2:40 pm
by live2ski
RhumChum wrote:Hmmm ... what if this woman goes to a party and gets really smashed and crawls into the back seat of a car ... she doesn't know which car because she is so dang smashed ... and passes out. Then the owner of the car, getting smashed at the same party, makes it to his car and drives off a bridge. He doesn't even know she is in the car. Stuff gets settled out of court, yada yada yada, and one day years and years later, some Dick goes hunting and shoots someone in the face and low and behold the car accident gets dredged up.
*yawn*
I fail to see the correlation. Maybe it's just me.
Jaeger ... Jaeger ... Jaeger ...
That is the first time I have ever heard the "Teddy didn't know she was in the car" argument.
Posted: February 15, 2006 2:42 pm
by LIPH
RhumChum wrote:Hmmm ... what if this woman goes to a party and gets really smashed and crawls into the back seat of a car ... she doesn't know which car because she is so dang smashed ... and passes out. Then the owner of the car, getting smashed at the same party, makes it to his car and drives off a bridge. He doesn't even know she is in the car. Stuff gets settled out of court, yada yada yada, and one day years and years later, some Dick goes hunting and shoots someone in the face and low and behold the car accident gets dredged up.
*yawn*
I fail to see the correlation. Maybe it's just me.
Jaeger ... Jaeger ... Jaeger ...
As I remember it, she worked in Kennedy's office and didn't crawl into the back seat of some random car in the parking lot, he was driving her home. And he was drunk when he drove off the bridge which means at the very least he's guilty of negligence, maybe vehicular homicide. Cheney shot someone by accident, and so far the guy hasn't died. So you're right, there is no correlation.
Posted: February 15, 2006 2:46 pm
by parrothead216
LIPH wrote:
No, you didn't say it was illegal but the way you phrased your question you made it sould like what he did was wrong. In a perfect world it is, but we don't live in a perfect world. And that's something that all politicians, in both parties, do.
Maybe the VP hasn't heard the about the Preacher's wife! Larry are you a Lawyer? That sure was phrased like a Lawyer question to me! 
Just remember when you ASS-U-ME..........! Maybe he hasn't heard about: The APPEARANCES of Improper behavior.
Well at least the PARROTHEAD WORLD is perfect......right?
Posted: February 15, 2006 2:51 pm
by Sam
parrothead216 wrote:Sam wrote:Cubbie Bear wrote:Not taking sides here, but.....
Ted.....
Drives off bridge.
Car sunk in remote location. Swam out, walked to where-ever, alone, sobered up and called the authorities. Pre -cell phone era.
Dick....
Shoots man, has full Secret Service entourage. Complete with every form of remote communication known to man. Has a complete medical staff, because he could have a grabber at any minute. Again with mobile communciation equipment. Many other individuals in hunting party, again probably all with cell phones. Yet it took a full day to notify anybody other than GW.
Ted's accident was terribly wrong, terribly tragic and yes, probably should have cost him his public service career. But it is not exactly comparing Apples to Apples when it comes to this COVER UP
Granted you are not taking sides but there is something you are overlooking......how long did Ted/Edward Kennedy wait before telling anyone or try to get medical help for Mary Jo Kopehne? How many hours went by? Even pre cell phone era does make up for his lack of notification or his blatant disregard and lack of care.
There was no wait in getting medical help for the man that was accidently shot. The wait was in telling the media about the accident. Which the newswhores are fussing about and turning into THE STORY. They are more p*** about some small town newspaper breaking the story and are seeking revenge.
As Garry noted there is other more important news out there.
Your right Sam, A better question is "Why was the VP hunting on some lobbist 's property in Texas? 
........"Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so!"
I don't know if the ranch owner was or is a lobbyist, an accquaintence or anything else about them. Do you? Is there something wrong with hunting in Texas???
Posted: February 15, 2006 2:54 pm
by parrothead216
RhumChum wrote:Hmmm ... what if this woman goes to a party and gets really smashed and crawls into the back seat of a car ... she doesn't know which car because she is so dang smashed ... and passes out. Then the owner of the car, getting smashed at the same party, makes it to his car and drives off a bridge. He doesn't even know she is in the car. Stuff gets settled out of court, yada yada yada, and one day years and years later, some Dick goes hunting and shoots someone in the face and low and behold the car accident gets dredged up.
*yawn*
I fail to see the correlation. Maybe it's just me.
Jaeger ... Jaeger ... Jaeger ...
You 're right no real relevence, just something to muddy the current discussion.
Also, a very different time then and now. Very powerful family, home state, not the media attention as there is today! No MADD. Some might say a better time , some might say worse.
Posted: February 15, 2006 3:04 pm
by Sam
Posted: February 15, 2006 3:10 pm
by parrothead216
Posted: February 15, 2006 3:45 pm
by Sam
I did not meant to offend My apologies if I did so. I did not notice the ranch owner was a lobbyist ( though I am not surprised that the owner would be a lobbyist) I did see that the guy that was peppered had been a long time Republican contributer.
All honsesty, about hunting a private ranch ( no matter who owns the land ) like that is a lot easier for the POTUS or VP or other "Official" in regards to security details and requirements, media, paparazzi, etc.
Er why limit the hunting to RepubliCANS? HMMMM??? I mean why stop there? There are so many other kinds of cans out there, you know?? LOL
Why not go after all professional politicians in general, by that I mean those that go "party doctrine all the way and what is best for "their Party" and themselves,cronies, etc., instead of what is best for "WE THE PEOPLE"? Then again "We The People" are led by a minority of the actual eligible voting population, since the majority of the eligible voters tend not to vote.
Posted: February 15, 2006 3:54 pm
by mjcatl2
No, you didn't say it was illegal but the way you phrased your question you made it sould like what he did was wrong. In a perfect world it is, but we don't live in a perfect world. And that's something that all politicians, in both parties, do.
_________________
Glad you're ok with it.
I suppose you supported when Cheney went huntin' with Scalia, even though Scalia was (with the whole SCOTUS) reviewing the case of Cheney not revealing the information of his secret energy meetings with Ken Lay and Co.
Hey it wasn't illegal...
Posted: February 15, 2006 4:14 pm
by parrothead216
Sam wrote:
I did not meant to offend My apologies if I did so. I did not notice the ranch owner was a lobbyist ( though I am not surprised that the owner would be a lobbyist) I did see that the guy that was peppered had been a long time Republican contributer.
All honsesty, about hunting a private ranch ( no matter who owns the land ) like that is a lot easier for the POTUS or VP or other "Official" in regards to security details and requirements, media, paparazzi, etc.
Er why limit the hunting to RepubliCANS? HMMMM??? I mean why stop there? There are so many other kinds of cans out there, you know?? LOL
Why not go after all professional politicians in general, by that I mean those that go "party doctrine all the way and what is best for "their Party" and themselves,cronies, etc., instead of what is best for "WE THE PEOPLE"? Then again "We The People" are led by a minority of the actual eligible voting population, since the majority of the eligible voters tend not to vote.
No Offense taken Sam, and No apologies needed!
Personally, I think we should have their jobs. All those "CANS" aren't doing a very good job, maybe we could screw up better!
The best thing that we can do is CARE, no matter what is your side!
The way the rule goes.....I voted SO I CAN B*TCH!
Keep on voting people, its the only way to make this thing work!
Phins Up! Sam
Posted: February 15, 2006 4:19 pm
by live2ski
Have I ever told y'all about shooting a man in Reno
Just to watch him die.
Crap that was Johnny Cash. He rocked!!!
Posted: February 15, 2006 4:19 pm
by LIPH
mjcatl2 wrote:No, you didn't say it was illegal but the way you phrased your question you made it sould like what he did was wrong. In a perfect world it is, but we don't live in a perfect world. And that's something that all politicians, in both parties, do.
_________________
Glad you're ok with it.
I suppose you supported when Cheney went huntin' with Scalia, even though Scalia was (with the whole SCOTUS) reviewing the case of Cheney not revealing the information of his secret energy meetings with Ken Lay and Co.
Hey it wasn't illegal...
I'm not a hunter so I don't support it when anybody goes hunting, alone or with someone else.
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Posted: February 15, 2006 4:25 pm
by Emerson_Bigguns
"You can't blame anybody else. I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend" -Dick Cheney
Posted: February 15, 2006 4:34 pm
by Sam
KEWLIES!!!! Now let's go grab a few (okies maybe A LOT of) cold beers !!!!
Cheers
Posted: February 15, 2006 10:35 pm
by a1aara
Look for a story to break in the next few days about Pam Willeford. She was one of the 2 women on the "hunting" trip. Some people claim that this is woman is Cheneys mistress. Some are speculating that the reason the reporting took so long is because both of these guys were on trips without their wifes. Maybe the guys needed time to cover their tracks and to get the stories straight. A ver tragic accident could very well expose some messing around? This one of a few therioes that are flying around. Another one I have been hearing involves alcohol. I am not saying any of these are true. Just sme of the "rumblings" that are going around.
Posted: February 15, 2006 11:09 pm
by Sam
a1aara wrote:Look for a story to break in the next few days about Pam Willeford. She was one of the 2 women on the "hunting" trip. Some people claim that this is woman is Cheneys mistress. Some are speculating that the reason the reporting took so long is because both of these guys were on trips without their wifes. Maybe the guys needed time to cover their tracks and to get the stories straight. A ver tragic accident could very well expose some messing around? This one of a few therioes that are flying around. Another one I have been hearing involves alcohol. I am not saying any of these are true. Just sme of the "rumblings" that are going around.
There are any numerous of theories currently or will be going around I am sure. IF there is any truth to any of these rumors. time will tell. I only see speculation from the Leftwingers to get some sort of payback for the Clinton fiascoes.
People are people and the parties are parties. If they want to continue this tit-for-tat "My party is the only correct way or else" crap then we can hang it all up, and call it quits. HOPEFULLY enough people will get over their voter apathy and we can get a decent voter populace and turn out so we can remind these people WHY they were elected and WHO and WHAT they represent and eliminate some or a lot of this Democrats do this and Republicans do that.
What is amazing is all of the crap that has been done by memebers of BOTH PARTIES and how it is selectively ignored or else used for ammunition against the party instead of the individual.
Example any notice Edard Kennedy's name became Ted Kennedy after the Mary Jo Kopehne/Chappaquidic ride of death?
How people are now saying the 78 year old lawyer was shot in the face by a man quick on the trigger? How many of thes people actually have hunted birds or ever taken wing shots with an actual firearm? How many know the importance of letting the line know where you are at all times.
I seriously doubt V.P.Cheney thought the man was a quail as someone said. When a bird flies and you are reacting....you are relying on instinct and followthrough and it takes place in probably a couple of seconds.
It does not aleviate feelings of guilt or other feelings. If you are in a car wreck that results in death...no one cantake that guilt away from you even if you are not at fault. One can say what they want, and all they want, until they have been involved and know the feelings.
All I see is the Left Wingers trying to make and create some news or else divert attention from something else. V.P. Cheney had no reason to call the media or the paparazzi. The left and the MSM are p*** and are fighting back with whatever they can create. They don't give a BLEEP about the country or truth...all they care about is Party or "My Name in headlines"and breaking the story FIRST.
There are examples of that in the past.
Posted: February 15, 2006 11:22 pm
by captainjoe
Sam wrote:[ The left and the MSM are p*** and are fighting back with whatever they can create. They don't give a BLEEP about the country or truth...
Joe McCarthy, is that you???? How dare you Sam, equate people on the left to not loving this country. I am a very proud member of the Democrat country and I love this country as much as a person in the Republican Party. That kind of thinking is very irresponsible.
Take the time to read part of the 2004 Keynote Speech at the Democratic National Convention from Sen. Barrack Obama:
If there is a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for their prescription drugs, and [has] to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandparent. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
It is that fundamental belief, it is that fundamental belief, I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams and yet still come together as one American family.
E pluribus unum. Out of many, one.
Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of 'anything goes.' Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America; there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.
The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into red states and blue states; red states for Republicans, blue states for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the red states. We coach Little League in the blue states and yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.
We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America. In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?