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rednekkPH wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:"The Humane Society euthanizes stray cats and dogs..... they don't sell them for their meat. "


Maybe we could start selling to China..you know offset some of that trade deficit

Don't ship it overseas, use it right here. Give the meat to needy families in lieu of a portion of their monthly food stamp allotment.

man wouldn't that start some s***.

ToplessRideFL wrote:

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:
nope, they're wild horses rounded up from federal land managed by the BLM....

I havent researched this...(sorry)but why do they want to round up wild horses? Are they a threat to the population in some way?

sorry Susan "wild" is in term only
they are ..for the most part dumped horses. they have brands
and yes they are in some spots over populating
they have run the deer and in some places antelope and
elk populations as they use water and overgraze..

longlinergirl wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:"The Humane Society euthanizes stray cats and dogs..... they don't sell them for their meat. "


Maybe we could start selling to China..you know offset some of that trade deficit

Don't ship it overseas, use it right here. Give the meat to needy families in lieu of a portion of their monthly food stamp allotment.

man wouldn't that start some s***.

Beggars can't be choosers, right?

IMO, when you cannot meet your responsbility to feed yourself and your family and must rely on others to do so, you forfeit the luxury of choosing what you get to have for dinner.

rednekkPH wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:"The Humane Society euthanizes stray cats and dogs..... they don't sell them for their meat. "


Maybe we could start selling to China..you know offset some of that trade deficit

Don't ship it overseas, use it right here. Give the meat to needy families in lieu of a portion of their monthly food stamp allotment.

man wouldn't that start some s***.

Beggars can't be choosers, right?

IMO, when you cannot meet your responsbility to feed yourself and your family and must rely on others to do so, you forfeit the luxury of choosing what you get to have for dinner.

I pretty much agree...but dogs and cats...ewwww. I mean obviously some people like them, but...

ToplessRideFL wrote:

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:
nope, they're wild horses rounded up from federal land managed by the BLM....

I havent researched this...(sorry)but why do they want to round up wild horses? Are they a threat to the population in some way?

the BLM by law must "manage" the population since they compete with cattle and the grazing rights BLM also sells to federal land. with the eradication of wolves and mountian lions from most federal lands they don't have natural enemies to keep their numbers in check so they are rounded up every so often and auctioned off.

we just had an auction here in PHX not too long ago. just happened to go to it with a friend who's into horses and bought one to save it from the frenchies.......

ragtopW wrote:
sorry Susan "wild" is in term only
they are ..for the most part dumped horses. they have brands
and yes they are in some spots over populating
they have run the deer and in some places antelope and
elk populations as they use water and overgraze..

So let me get this straight.... we are talking about selling wild (not someones pet or investment) horses... whatever way the term wild is used.... to countries who WANT the meat to eat..... right?

And we have issue with this why? We arent eating it... they are not endangered..... we dont want the horses causing havoc and running off our wildlife that we DO hunt and eat.... why not make money on it?

Seems to me its no different then shooting wild birds, rabbits, or squirrels for the purpose of producing food.

ToplessRideFL wrote:

ragtopW wrote:
sorry Susan "wild" is in term only
they are ..for the most part dumped horses. they have brands
and yes they are in some spots over populating
they have run the deer and in some places antelope and
elk populations as they use water and overgraze..

So let me get this straight.... we are talking about selling wild (not someones pet or investment) horses... whatever way the term wild is used.... to countries who WANT the meat to eat..... right?

And we have issue with this why? We arent eating it... they are not endangered..... we dont want the horses causing havoc and running off our wildlife that we DO hunt and eat.... why not make money on it?

Seems to me its no different then shooting wild birds, rabbits, or squirrels for the purpose of producing food.

AHHH Susan.. We will make a western girl out of you yet..




you are soooo right..

ragtopW wrote:

AHHH Susan.. We will make a western girl out of you yet..




you are soooo right..

I am guessing everyone will not share your kindness....


and PS... I like horses.... had a horse in high school... showed him ... then choose a car over him..... and no I wouldnt eat him..... he was a pet....

ToplessRideFL wrote:

ragtopW wrote:
sorry Susan "wild" is in term only
they are ..for the most part dumped horses. they have brands
and yes they are in some spots over populating
they have run the deer and in some places antelope and
elk populations as they use water and overgraze..

So let me get this straight.... we are talking about selling wild (not someones pet or investment) horses... whatever way the term wild is used.... to countries who WANT the meat to eat..... right?

And we have issue with this why? We arent eating it... they are not endangered..... we dont want the horses causing havoc and running off our wildlife that we DO hunt and eat.... why not make money on it?

Seems to me its no different then shooting wild birds, rabbits, or squirrels for the purpose of producing food.

AMEN!

BTW All.. or most of us... Have eaten Horse
not knowing Ever eat at an out of the way diner?? Mom and Pop??
a Roadhouse?? somewhere miles from nowhere??

you have eaten Horse.. trust me..
that meatloaf, that chickenfried steaks?? that huge burger..

a little moist? good but not quite the same??


yep Horse..

and sorry please do not feel protected by the Health Codes
I delivered into some of those places and saw the walkins..

Oh the stories I could tell..

The thing is let me say this one more time....Not all of the horses are wild Mustangs that are or were ptotected by Federal law.

Susan there is much more to this than what it seems on the surface.
Yes there are pets, investment horses, horses too old to breed, an other horses that people no longer want are what is mostly involved.

I have another article I will find for you about the wild mustangs as opposed to wild horses so you can keep them straight...will that help?

This article is dated back in September 2005 so I do not know if it ultimately passed or not.

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Wednesday, September 21, 2005
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Senate OKs bill that would prevent export of horse meat

Legislation, which is not in final form, would ban meat inspections

By SAMANTHA YOUNG
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON -- The Senate on Tuesday voted to ban slaughtering horses destined for grocery store shelves overseas.

In a 68-29 vote, senators eliminated funding for federal meat inspectors at three U.S. meat packing plants that slaughter an estimated 65,000 horses per year.

"The owners who sell their horses at auction are often unaware that those horses may be on their way to one of three remaining horse slaughterhouses in America," Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., said on the Senate floor.

Ensign's amendment was added to a spending bill for the Department of Agriculture. The House in June included an identical provision in its legislation, and a conference committee will hash out the final bill.

"It will effectively shut down the slaughterhouses in the United States for one year," said Michael Markarian, executive vice president of the Humane Society of the United States. "Without the USDA inspecting the meat and horses for export, this activity cannot take place in the United States."

Texas and Illinois are home to three meat packing plants that slaughter horses. The meat is packaged and sold to Japan, France, Belgium, Italy, Germany, Mexico and Canada.

Horse slaughter has drawn increased scrutiny this year after dozens of wild horses were purchased from government holding corrals and sold to the Illinois packing plant.

No senator spoke Tuesday in opposition to the provision although Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, said several senators had concerns with the measure. He did not elaborate.

In the House debate, critics said the shuttering of U.S. plants would do little to stop the exportation of horses to Canada and Mexico. Roughly 35,000 horses are trucked across the borders annually.

Markarian said the provision also makes it illegal to transport horses across the border for slaughter.

Ensign, a trained veterinarian, described the horses as an American icon fit for saving from foreign menus. He said unwanted horses should be sold to new homes or humanely euthanized.

So, like, if I go to a Le McDonalds in France do you think I'd be able to order a Le Quarter Horse Pounder with Cheese?

buffettbride wrote:So, like, if I go to a Le McDonalds in France do you think I'd be able to order a Le Quarter Horse Pounder with Cheese?

more like, good luck trying to get a 100% pure beef patty

buffettbride wrote:So, like, if I go to a Le McDonalds in France do you think I'd be able to order a Le Quarter Horse Pounder with Cheese?

France uses the metric system. They have no idea what a quarter pound is. In France it is a Horse Royale with Cheese.

rednekkPH wrote:

buffettbride wrote:So, like, if I go to a Le McDonalds in France do you think I'd be able to order a Le Quarter Horse Pounder with Cheese?

France uses the metric system. They have no idea what a quarter pound is. In France it is a Horse Royale with Cheese.

I knew you'd get it.

You're not gonna eat me, are you Wilbur?

For Susan or anyone else here is the article from a blog that is full of links that don't cross over if you are interested in the links then take the link .


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April 24, 2005

Horse Meat
For several years now, there have been more wild horses removed from the open range than there have been people interested in adopting them. Thus, the government has been paying ranchers to keep the excess horses alive (previous blog here).

Late last year, Congress revised the laws governing wild horses. The slaughter ban was lifted, and no longer do the new owners of excess horses have to wait a year to receive ownership title; now they get it immediately. As some folks had feared, a few of the excess horses have already ended up at the slaughterhouse.

The BLM is investigating how the mustangs ended up at an Illinois slaughterhouse, but the government has "no legal recourse" to prevent such slaughters since a 34-year-old law was changed in December, agency spokeswoman Celia Boddington said.

The BLM sold the six horses that had been rounded up in Wyoming to a private owner in Oklahoma earlier this month, the agency said.

The sale was authorized under the change in law in December. The amendment by Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont., directs the agency to offer for sale any excess mustangs that are older than age 10 or that were unsuccessfully offered to the public three times under a separate, long-running adoption program.

"Although it was six wild horses whose blood was spilled, it could easily have been 60 or 200," said Trina Bellak, president of the American Horse Defense Fund.

We struggle with the concept of euthanizing feral horses much more than we do with feral cats and dogs. Maybe it's that most of us see strays and feral pets and understand some of the impacts of not spaying and neutering animals. While we don't like it, most of us grudgingly accept the need for killing millions upon millions of cats and dogs that overflow most animal shelters. However, no-kill animal shelters are becoming increasingly common.

In most cases, it's local or state policy that determines what we do with feral cats and dogs. Wisconsin has been making headlines with its proposed legislation to legalize the killing of wild, free roaming cats (any cat without a collar). It's already legal to do so in South Dakota and Minnesota. The major concern with cats is the amount of wildlife--especially songbirds--they kill.

With most wild horses living on federal land, it's understandable that there would be a number of federal policies on their management, including on euthanizing them. When most people hear about them overgrazing the land, they think of the native wild horse competing with ranchers' non-native domestic cattle. However, our wild horses are descendents of escaped domestic animals from another continent (previous blog here). They and cattle and sheep are eating our native flora and competing with our native fauna...in many cases very successfully.

Some people evaluate the health of the ecosystems in sagebrush country based in part upon the land's carrying capacity for cattle, sheep, etc. Others focus on the species they're displacing, like pronghorn, some perennial forage, mule deer, bighorns, etc. Wild horses can show up in either category. This article noted that there are currently about 37,000 wild horses in the U.S., an estimated 9,000 more than the natural forage can withstand without damage. Think of the human preferences and politics behind that scientific conclusion.

The BLM might step up its screening process for potential horse buyers, Boddington said.

"We regret this incident occurred, but these horses were private property," she said.

"We certainly do our best to vet those potential buyers to make sure they have a real interest and intend to provide long-term care to these animals," she said.

BLM won't release any information about the person who purchased the mustangs, but Nancy Perry, vice president of the Humane Society of the United States, said the purchaser was an Oklahoma man who claimed to be a minister who wanted the mustangs for a youth camp.

The Oklahoma man lied. One does wonder though that if he intended to sell the horses for slaughter, why he didn't buy more of them?

Officials at the processing plant defended their disposal of the mustangs in a "humane manner" while recycling them into food for foreign markets.

"We don't feel the government should be deciding for livestock owners how they dispose of their animals. This just gives the BLM the same options that a farmer or rancher has," said Jim Tucker, general manager of Cavel International Inc. in Dekalb, Ill.

Tucker said Cavel "euthanizes the animals in a humane manner" -- with a gun-like "penetrating captive bolt" shot into the forehead. It's the same method used at cattle slaughterhouses and approved by the American Veterinary Medical Association, he said.

"We always felt here that we are recycling a resource and producing food," he said.

Cavel typically pays 47 cents a pound for usable horse meat, or about $300 for a 1,000-pound horse that produces about 600 pounds of horse meat, Tucker said.

The Cavel International plant is one of only three in the U.S. that slaughters horses. This plant, opened in 2004, is designed to process 100 horses per day and employs about 40 people (the old plant burned to the ground in 2002--suspected arson). The plant prepares cuts of meat as one would for beef and exports them to Europe, predominantly to Italy, France, Germany, and Belgium. Horsemeat is considered a delicacy by many in France, Belgium, and Japan. Cavel International is a Belgian company.

Overall, about 55,000 horses are slaughtered in the U.S. for export each year. That rate is well below numbers in the late '80s and early '90s, when sometimes over 300,000 horses were slaughtered in a year. Most of the horses processed are older workhorses, animals not valued for breeding, pets, and probably some stolen animals. The other two slaughterhouses are in Kaufman and Ft. Worth, Texas. The former is also Belgian-owned, while the latter is French-owned.

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., and Reps. Nick Rahall, D-W.Va., and Ed Whitfield, R-Ky., have introduced legislation to repeal the Burns measure.

S. 576 and H.R. 297 are the bills designed to repeal the Burns amendment. But whether it's repealed or not, there will continue to be excess horses, and some of them will continue to be killed in slaughterhouses (though likely later in life). Even the horses that the government pays ranchers to keep alive are euthanized if it doesn't look like they'll make it through a winter.

Managing wild horses is never going to be simple or cheap.

buffettbride wrote:So, like, if I go to a Le McDonalds in France do you think I'd be able to order a Le Quarter Horse Pounder with Cheese?

Just don't go into a Polish restaurant and order the kielbasa.

Sam wrote: Susan there is much more to this than what it seems on the surface.
Yes there are pets, investment horses, horses too old to breed, an other horses that people no longer want are what is mostly involved.
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Thats why I asked for clarification.... thanks......

ToplessRideFL wrote:

Sam wrote: Susan there is much more to this than what it seems on the surface.
Yes there are pets, investment horses, horses too old to breed, an other horses that people no longer want are what is mostly involved.
.

Thats why I asked for clarification.... thanks......

Most welkies! I got a phone call and was busy with itfor a few mins sorry about the slow response.