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Posted: March 2, 2006 3:27 pm
by Sam
live2ski wrote:sy wrote:rednekkPH wrote:If horses weren't supposed to be eaten, they wouldn't be made out of meat.
Simply, that's true; and I own a horse, always have, so it's not like I don't have an emotional attachment to them.
Going back to the original article/interview; this part really makes no sense:
DEREK: Personally, I have problems. I don't agree with them on some issues. As humans, we're always evolving. As far as...
O'REILLY: Do you eat meat?
DEREK: Yes. Yes.
O'REILLY: So you eat...
DEREK: And I'll separate this. Horses are not livestock in our country. They are never bred, ever, to be eaten.
O'REILLY: That's interesting.
DEREK: For human consumption.
O'REILLY: So livestock is bred to feed humans — in the food chain.
DEREK: That's their purpose. Cows.
O'REILLY: But horses are not.
DEREK: Never in this country. Pets, sport...
and it makes no sense simply because you've now separated what animals are 'worth' killing and what ones aren't. Horses are pets, so we can't kill them, but we can kill the lowly cow because that's what they're good for.
I'm not sure how any of that's ok. Plus she says it's 'not in our culture'. Technically America is a melting pot, so we are a mix of cultures, including the ones that view 'pet' animals as a source of food.
Just my opinion
Sam wrote:
Okies so we are a melting pot, that much is true....So should we also accept people eating dogs and cats and bugs and monkey brains?
Yes. I am I just as offended by someone who watches NASCAR as I am by their choice of food
Sam wrote:
I know many people that if someone hurts their dog...that person that did the killing or hurting of their dog can most likely "cancel Christmas"! or if they survive will think long and hard before harming or killing one again.
As a society we are drawing lines all the time some where, don't we? I mean if people are facing a famine or starving to death is acceptable by anyone's standards. You own a horse would you find it acceptable if some stole him and sold him to the slaughter house? Not being funny it is a serious question as one of the persons interviewed that some horses were no doubt stolen and records are not being kept according to the federal law.
Are we talking legally purchased horses or stolen horses. Two seperate issues
Sam wrote:
There may not be much outward appearence to the animal but if it had been treated with drugs that are not safe for humans .....then what happens?
If horses were raised to be and considered a food animal then ok no problem with it, but then again dogs and cats are not raised or considered to be a food animal in this country either. So yes culture does have A LOT to do with it.
What else can be done with the horses? I don't really know, but I do not find serving them as gourmet food in another country to be acceptable.
Why do you care what somebody else puts on their dinner plate? Some people love liver and onions, I do not. I am not going to go around protesting their consumption of liver
Sam wrote:
For example of cultural differences, look at cattle in certain parts of India are not considered a food item and are considered to be sacred. We have people from India living here in the States.....where cattle are considered a primary source of food by the majority of people.
Exactly they can accept it. The only people who cannot accept change are inbred rednecks from Georgia.
I live in Georgia and no one that I know of, meets your accusations. But since you are so aware of them perhaps you would care to back up your accusations with a documented list.
BTW My parents (God Bless their souls and May they rest in peace) were not related and were married to each other for years, before I was born, which is more than can be said about some people.
Posted: March 2, 2006 4:34 pm
by live2ski
Posted: March 2, 2006 4:48 pm
by Cubbie Bear
Speaking of Horses:
Doesn't the song Save a Horse Ride a Cowboy seem to have a whole new meaning since Brokeback came out?
Posted: March 2, 2006 4:49 pm
by live2ski
Cubbie Bear wrote:Speaking of Horses:
Doesn't the song Save a Horse Ride a Cowboy seem to have a whole new meaning since Brokeback came out?
Does it excite you?
Posted: March 2, 2006 4:55 pm
by Cubbie Bear
live2ski wrote:Cubbie Bear wrote:Speaking of Horses:
Doesn't the song Save a Horse Ride a Cowboy seem to have a whole new meaning since Brokeback came out?
Does it excite you?
ummmmmmm, no
Posted: March 2, 2006 5:05 pm
by tikitatas
What kind of horse is a welkie?
Posted: March 2, 2006 5:08 pm
by Sam
Thank you Bro!!! Come on down and I will treat you to a bbq and some cold beer and hopefully some seafood ( if available) and hopefully a little shooting and maybe some fishing.... After all coming from you...I accept the name "redneck" as a compliment!
My apologies to you if my reply was out of the way. It seemed appropriate at the time, though.
Cheers and cold Brews Bro!
Posted: March 2, 2006 5:13 pm
by Cubbie Bear
tikitatas wrote:What kind of horse is a welkie?
dessert?
Posted: March 2, 2006 5:16 pm
by LIPH
Cubbie Bear wrote:tikitatas wrote:What kind of horse is a welkie?
dessert?
Actually, I think it's redneck for "you're welcome". Isn't it cute how the little ones make up their own language?
Posted: March 2, 2006 5:27 pm
by Sam
LIPH wrote:Cubbie Bear wrote:tikitatas wrote:What kind of horse is a welkie?
dessert?
Actually, I think it's redneck for "you're welcome". Isn't it cute how the little ones make up their own language?
Yes it really is too bad you being as ancient as you are never had a chance to come up with new words for the adults around you when you were growing up. But of course it is doubtful to many people , if you ever grew up, and were just always old.
Posted: March 2, 2006 7:53 pm
by sy
Sam wrote:Okies so we are a melting pot, that much is true....So should we also accept people eating dogs and cats and bugs and monkey brains?
I may not find it appealing, but I honestly wouldn't argue it. It's a part of other cultures, and its accepted in other cultures. I don't find it disgusting or appalling.
Sam wrote:As a society we are drawing lines all the time some where, don't we? I mean if people are facing a famine or starving to death is acceptable by anyone's standards. You own a horse would you find it acceptable if some stole him and sold him to the slaughter house? Not being funny it is a serious question as one of the persons interviewed that some horses were no doubt stolen and records are not being kept according to the federal law.
Theft, no. But I would have a problem if someone stole my pencil. Theft is a different story than a cultural acceptance of what is food and not. Theft is never 'right'. I would have the same problem where I owned a horse or I had a pet cow. Both can be used for food the same.
There has also been, for years, a problem of dogs being stolen and sold for food or animal testing in this country as well.
Sam wrote:For example of cultural differences, look at cattle in certain parts of India are not considered a food item and are considered to be sacred. We have people from India living here in the States.....where cattle are considered a primary source of food by the majority of people.
I would be interested to see if there were any indian movements to oppose the eating or sale of cows in this country, and I don't mean that sarcastically.
Posted: March 2, 2006 8:07 pm
by sy
RinglingRingling wrote:
and of course, we have the folks who raise pigs as housepets... I don't think they consulted with Bo about her designations..
and see, that's the thing. Taking the legality of stolen versus legally bought, one person's food is another's pet.
Posted: March 2, 2006 8:12 pm
by sy
LIPH wrote:Cubbie Bear wrote:tikitatas wrote:What kind of horse is a welkie?
dessert?
Actually, I think it's redneck for "you're welcome". Isn't it cute how the little ones make up their own language?
It's also gutter slang for oral sex
Posted: March 2, 2006 8:44 pm
by ragtopW
sy wrote:LIPH wrote:Cubbie Bear wrote:tikitatas wrote:What kind of horse is a welkie?
dessert?
Actually, I think it's redneck for "you're welcome". Isn't it cute how the little ones make up their own language?
It's also gutter slang for oral sex
I never knew that..
Ok I was talking to my Dad about this, and
He Reminded me of the time a Person
asked me What I thought of their Pot Belly Pig.
I said looks like Pastrami on the hoof..
Posted: March 2, 2006 8:47 pm
by Moonie
I've never heard that one, sy...perhaps that's regional gutter talk.......but on most techie sites..it's you're welcome...
used on a lot of non techie blogs...
Posted: March 2, 2006 9:07 pm
by sy
Moonie wrote:I've never heard that one, sy...perhaps that's regional gutter talk.......but on most techie sites..it's you're welcome...
used on a lot of non techie blogs...
I'm sure it probably is. I've only read about it being slang, I've never actually heard it used in that connotation. I always hear welkie or welkies used in a friendly manner
Posted: March 3, 2006 9:41 am
by Cubbie Bear
sy wrote:LIPH wrote:Cubbie Bear wrote:tikitatas wrote:What kind of horse is a welkie?
dessert?
Actually, I think it's redneck for "you're welcome". Isn't it cute how the little ones make up their own language?
It's also gutter slang for oral sex
AThats what i said
Speaking of Cowboys:
Does the song "Mama's Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys" have a whole new meaning now
Posted: March 3, 2006 9:45 am
by LIPH
sy wrote:LIPH wrote:Cubbie Bear wrote:tikitatas wrote:What kind of horse is a welkie?
dessert?
Actually, I think it's redneck for "you're welcome". Isn't it cute how the little ones make up their own language?
It's also gutter slang for oral sex
I never heard it used that way before, but it's been years since I went bowling.
Posted: March 3, 2006 10:05 am
by ph4ever
Posted: March 3, 2006 2:31 pm
by Sam
sy wrote:Sam wrote:Okies so we are a melting pot, that much is true....So should we also accept people eating dogs and cats and bugs and monkey brains?
I may not find it appealing, but I honestly wouldn't argue it. It's a part of other cultures, and its accepted in other cultures. I don't find it disgusting or appalling.
Sam wrote:As a society we are drawing lines all the time some where, don't we? I mean if people are facing a famine or starving to death is acceptable by anyone's standards. You own a horse would you find it acceptable if some stole him and sold him to the slaughter house? Not being funny it is a serious question as one of the persons interviewed that some horses were no doubt stolen and records are not being kept according to the federal law.
Theft, no. But I would have a problem if someone stole my pencil. Theft is a different story than a cultural acceptance of what is food and not. Theft is never 'right'. I would have the same problem where I owned a horse or I had a pet cow. Both can be used for food the same.
There has also been, for years, a problem of dogs being stolen and sold for food or animal testing in this country as well.
Sam wrote:For example of cultural differences, look at cattle in certain parts of India are not considered a food item and are considered to be sacred. We have people from India living here in the States.....where cattle are considered a primary source of food by the majority of people.
I would be interested to see if there were any indian movements to oppose the eating or sale of cows in this country, and I don't mean that sarcastically.
Yes about the problem with other animals being stolen and used for "research" I have not heard about that lately like we used to. Animals are still being stolen to be used to train dogs for fighting. I know of someone that lost several dogs all at once and I also had a dog go missing around that same time. Never could prove anything and May god have mercy on their souls, if I ever find them IF that is what happened to her. She was an old dobie about 13 or 14 that would not harm anyone and had very few teeth left.
As for horses or dogs or whatever being used for food, I can see it in emergency cases for survival. BLEEP you can get lion and other animal meat in Africa that are not normally considered "livestock". Again I go with it being cultural
I have never heard of people from India (with those beliefs ) saying anything or protesting about it here in the U.S.. Not that it means anything. Perhaps they are better at adpating into our culture ? Then again we already have enough radical ecoterrorists groups of our own....