Jimmy Snubbed by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame... AGAIN

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » March 15, 2006 2:08 pm

PartofthePhlock wrote:probably because he is still touring and making so much money. cha-ching!!

I do have to wonder if people actually bother to read these threads before posting but currently active artists are not excluded from being inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Robert Plant, Neil Young, Paul McCartney, John Fogerty, Bob Weir, Robbie Robertson, Van Morrison and countless other performers that are still recording and touring have all been inducted.

PartofthePhlock · Post by **PartofthePhlock** » March 15, 2006 2:15 pm

Jahfin wrote:
PartofthePhlock wrote:probably because he is still touring and making so much money. cha-ching!!
I do have to wonder if people actually bother to read these threads before posting but currently active artists are not excluded from being inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Robert Plant, Neil Young, Paul McCartney, John Fogerty, Bob Weir, Robbie Robertson, Van Morrison and countless other performers that are still recording and touring have all been inducted.

POOF are you gone yet!!!

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » March 15, 2006 2:16 pm

The number one requirement is that your first recording has to have been released at least 25 years ago. Other than that, there really aren't any rules. You don't have to have 20 #1 singles, you don't have to sell 50 million records, you don't have to sell out football stadiums. It's up to the voters and it's all pretty subjective.

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » March 15, 2006 2:24 pm

PartofthePhlock wrote:
Jahfin wrote:
PartofthePhlock wrote:probably because he is still touring and making so much money. cha-ching!!
I do have to wonder if people actually bother to read these threads before posting but currently active artists are not excluded from being inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Robert Plant, Neil Young, Paul McCartney, John Fogerty, Bob Weir, Robbie Robertson, Van Morrison and countless other performers that are still recording and touring have all been inducted.

POOF are you gone yet!!!

No, and why should I? People keep saying artists are only inducted due to massive sales, concert grosses and/or that they only induct performers that are dead or no longer touring when none of those things have any basis in fact whatsoever. If you doubt me by all means check the list of previous inductees at the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame web site here:

http://rockhall.com/hof/currinductees.asp

If people think Buffett should be inducted because he's been such a big influence on other artists (which is part of the criteria inductions are actually based on), I've asked that someone name those artists. So far, no one has. Well, someone attempted to but they named artists that were instead influential to Buffett such as Leon Russell and the Beach Boys one artist (Garth Brooks) who Buffett tried to sue for plagarism. I'm most definitely a fan and would love to see him nominated for induction myself but so far I don't see anything to base his induction on.

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » March 15, 2006 2:32 pm

LIPH wrote:The number one requirement is that your first recording has to have been released at least 25 years ago. Other than that, there really aren't any rules.

Yes, there are:

Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

RAGTOP · Post by **RAGTOP** » March 15, 2006 2:44 pm

Jahfin wrote:
LIPH wrote:The number one requirement is that your first recording has to have been released at least 25 years ago. Other than that, there really aren't any rules.
Yes, there are:

Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

but isn't that really subjective?

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » March 15, 2006 2:50 pm

RAGTOP wrote:
Jahfin wrote:
LIPH wrote:The number one requirement is that your first recording has to have been released at least 25 years ago. Other than that, there really aren't any rules.
Yes, there are:

Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.
but isn't that really subjective?

Perhaps, but that wasn't really my point. My point was that there are other rules for induction besides when an artists' first recording was released.

Rob N Kim · Post by **Rob N Kim** » March 15, 2006 3:15 pm

Jahfin wrote:... I've asked that someone name those artists. So far, no one has. ...

Kenny Chesney!

RAGTOP · Post by **RAGTOP** » March 15, 2006 3:21 pm

Rob N Kim wrote:
Jahfin wrote:... I've asked that someone name those artists. So far, no one has. ...
Kenny Chesney!

That's not anything JB should be proud of

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » March 15, 2006 3:30 pm

RAGTOP wrote:
Rob N Kim wrote:
Jahfin wrote:... I've asked that someone name those artists. So far, no one has. ...
Kenny Chesney!
That's not anything JB should be proud of

come on... it's nice to see someone rise above their shortcomings like KC has...

LESTERPOLYESTER · Post by **LESTERPOLYESTER** » March 15, 2006 3:31 pm

Jahfin wrote:
PartofthePhlock wrote:probably because he is still touring and making so much money. cha-ching!!
I do have to wonder if people actually bother to read these threads before posting but currently active artists are not excluded from being inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Robert Plant, Neil Young, Paul McCartney, John Fogerty, Bob Weir, Robbie Robertson, Van Morrison and countless other performers that are still recording and touring have all been inducted.

I don't know about anybody else but I wish Neil Young would stop recording and touring. He hasn't recorded a listenable album -- IMO of course -- since Harvest Moon.

LIPH · Post by **LIPH** » March 15, 2006 3:50 pm

RinglingRingling wrote:
RAGTOP wrote:
Rob N Kim wrote:
Jahfin wrote:... I've asked that someone name those artists. So far, no one has. ...
Kenny Chesney!
That's not anything JB should be proud of
come on... it's nice to see someone rise above their shortcomings like KC has...

You mean when Renee charged him with fraud she meant he had a small unit?

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » March 15, 2006 3:56 pm

LIPH wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
RAGTOP wrote:
Rob N Kim wrote:
Jahfin wrote:... I've asked that someone name those artists. So far, no one has. ...
Kenny Chesney!
That's not anything JB should be proud of
come on... it's nice to see someone rise above their shortcomings like KC has...
You mean when Renee charged him with fraud she meant he had a small unit?

can't see how she missed that detail with his jeans as tight as they are... I think it was that she wasn't gettin' into those jeans, much less handlin' the package unless she grew a beard and chewin' terbackker

Big Red Parrothead · Post by **Big Red Parrothead** » March 15, 2006 5:01 pm

I doubt Jimmy will ever make the R&R HOF (I agree with most of Jah's reasoning above), but I think he should be a shoo-in for the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/

Not quite sure how their nominees are selected, though.

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » March 15, 2006 5:05 pm

Big Red Parrothead wrote:I doubt Jimmy will ever make the R&R HOF (I agree with most of Jah's reasoning above), but I think he should be a shoo-in for the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/

Not quite sure how their nominees are selected, though.

I mentioned his songwriting as his biggest strength in the other thread I posted the link to, not the many imitators he unwittingly spawned. Thanks for the link.

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » March 15, 2006 5:12 pm

LIPH wrote:Jimmy Buffett will never get into the Hall. Whether he deserves to or not is another question, but I really don't think he gets taken very seriously. I can't remember the last time I saw a review of one of his NY area concerts in any of the local newspapers, but they all review every flavor of the month band, most of which drop out of sight 6 months (or less) later.

Newsday did a review following his Jones Beach show in '04, and it wasn't a good one.

But like you said, they prefer the "flavor of the month" and the bands that don't last for more than a few months.

I would love to see Jimmy nominated, but I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Probably more likely for him to get inducted into the Songwriters HOF.

TraderRick · Post by **TraderRick** » March 15, 2006 5:42 pm

LIPH wrote:
TraderRick wrote:He was an influence to earlier artists such as Loggins & Messina (Full Sail album), Leon Russell (Back to the Island), and more.
I don't think Buffett influenced Loggins & Messina at all. In fact, Jim Messina was in Buffalo Springfield and they were around before anyone knew who Jimmy Buffett was. So was Leon Russell. Maybe they influenced him.

The "influence issue" will always be open to debate until someone can actually get a quote from an artist stating facts as such.

It's just interesting that Leon Russell's album "Will O'the Wisp"(which included "Back to the Island") came out in late 1975...well after Jimmy had put out "White Sportscoat...". "Living & Dying..." and "A1A".

We can go back and forth, tit for tat, combing catelogues of various artists to ascertain influences & it ends up simply being somewhat subjective.

Bottom line is I think Jimmy has definitely made his mark in the music industry and it'll be with us for a long time...HOF or not.

Jahfin · Post by **Jahfin** » March 15, 2006 5:53 pm

TraderRick wrote:
LIPH wrote:
TraderRick wrote:He was an influence to earlier artists such as Loggins & Messina (Full Sail album), Leon Russell (Back to the Island), and more.
I don't think Buffett influenced Loggins & Messina at all. In fact, Jim Messina was in Buffalo Springfield and they were around before anyone knew who Jimmy Buffett was. So was Leon Russell. Maybe they influenced him.
The "influence issue" will always be open to debate until someone can actually get a quote from an artist stating facts as such.

It's just interesting that Leon Russell's album "Will O'the Wisp"(which included "Back to the Island") came out in late 1975...well after Jimmy had put out "White Sportscoat...". "Living & Dying..." and "A1A".

Maybe, just maybe Leon's inspiration for that song was the islands themselves, not Buffett. Buffett may have helped perfect the "Gulf & Western" sound but I think we all know he didn't invent it.

TraderRick wrote:We can go back and forth, tit for tat, combing catelogues of various artists to ascertain influences & it ends up simply being somewhat subjective.

Bottom line is I think Jimmy has definitely made his mark in the music industry and it'll be with us for a long time...HOF or not.

I agree with ya there.

a1aara · Post by **a1aara** » March 15, 2006 6:11 pm

I'm still angry about the Bee Gees and the Jackson 5 being inducted in 1997.
Inductions are political. Buffett will be inducted if and when Jan Wenner(sp?) says so. Sadly, I think it's turned into a joke.

aparrotheadindenver · Post by **aparrotheadindenver** » March 15, 2006 6:30 pm

a1aara wrote:I'm still angry about the Bee Gees and the Jackson 5 being inducted in 1997.
Inductions are political. Buffett will be inducted if and when Jan Wenner(sp?) says so. Sadly, I think it's turned into a joke.

Obviously the Sex Pistols think so too...

calling the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame, "a pi** stain, urine in wine.”