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I just don’t get it, how can Blondie and singer Debbie Harry be
inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame when Jimmy doesn’t
even get nominated!:x

Am I missing something? Can someone explain this to me?

I’m just astounded!!

I think the maybe the Sex Pistols have got it right…
calling the Hall Of Fame, "a pi** stain, urine in wine.”

Because he is not a has been, dead, or stopped touring? Because they don't have a place for a drunken carribean, rock'n'roll troubador? Just because we want it to happen for him so bad....they won't do it. I don't know where I'm going to go when the Hall of Fame blows.
Phin

What makes you think that he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm not so sure he fits into the R&R category.

aparrotheadindenver wrote:I just don’t get it, how can Blondie and singer Debbie Harry be
inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame when Jimmy doesn’t
even get nominated!

Because Blondie was one of many groups instrumental to pioneering new wave/punk in the mid to late 70s as part of the scene that rose out of CBGBs in New York.

phinhead wrote:Because he is not a has been, dead, or stopped touring?

Lynyrd Skynyrd, Neil Young, Paul McCartney, Cream, John Fogerty and many, many others are not "has beens", haven't stopped touring and last I checked, are not dead but have all been inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame.

ColdWaterConch wrote:What makes you think that he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm not so sure he fits into the R&R category.

Johnny Cash, Elvis, Miles Davis, James Brown and several others that don't fit neatly into just one genre are all in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. Two of those (Cash and Elvis) are actually in both the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame and the Country Music Hall of Fame.

I mentioned this in another thread (see below for link) but so far no one has been able to provide an answer. Aside from folks like Todd Snider, some Buffett influenced artists that exist only on the fringe of Parrotheard circles, and the occasional song that borrows his style (and/or mentions his name) who has Buffett influenced enough to warrant a nomination for induction into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame?

Buffett is one of my favorite artists of all time but I'll be the first to admit that I don't think he meets the criteria required for induction:

http://rockhall.com/hof/process.asp

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

More discussion on this topic can be found here:

http://www.buffettnews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46274

Jimmy Buffett will never get into the Hall. Whether he deserves to or not is another question, but I really don't think he gets taken very seriously. I can't remember the last time I saw a review of one of his NY area concerts in any of the local newspapers, but they all review every flavor of the month band, most of which drop out of sight 6 months (or less) later.

Jahfin wrote:

ColdWaterConch wrote:What makes you think that he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm not so sure he fits into the R&R category.

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

Can't argue with that, except that, as was pointed out, BLONDIE is in the HOF. Other than the technicality that they had the first #1 hit rap record (with something that barely qualifies as rap), they have very little significance.

CaptainP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

ColdWaterConch wrote:What makes you think that he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm not so sure he fits into the R&R category.

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

Can't argue with that, except that, as was pointed out, BLONDIE is in the HOF. Other than the technicality that they had the first #1 hit rap record (with something that barely qualifies as rap), they have very little significance.

Debbie Harry was hot.... that scored her points with the judges.

While I agree that influence should factor into the decision, talent should be part of the equation too. Unfortunately, with bands like The Ramones and The Sex Pistols in the Hall, talent obviously doesn't count for much.

I'll set aside the question of whether or not Jimmy meets the criteria (mainly because I don't know what they are) and offer the following observation...

It seems that the non-Parrothead community views Buffett as an artist on the fringe of the mainstream music scene. I'd assume most see him as a one-hit wonder who managed to parlay the notoriety of his early years into a successful touring career. Because he's seen as a bit of a curiosity who operates largely outside the radio/TV-oriented music industry, I'm guessing he'll likely not be considered seriously for induction. Also, many of the people who make the decisions probably categorize him as "easy listening" or "adult contemporary" rather than rock & roll.

Nonetheless, I'd love to see him nominated!

RinglingRingling wrote:

CaptainP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

ColdWaterConch wrote:What makes you think that he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm not so sure he fits into the R&R category.

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

Can't argue with that, except that, as was pointed out, BLONDIE is in the HOF. Other than the technicality that they had the first #1 hit rap record (with something that barely qualifies as rap), they have very little significance.

Debbie Harry was hot.... that scored her points with the judges.

Debbie Harry was usually incoherant....

I doubt Buffett will be inducted solely based on his music. He'd be the first to admit he's not a great musician or singer. I also agree that he has not had a wide influence. I'm sure many in the R&R industry consider him "lucky" enough to have survived for so long on one hit.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if he were considered for some type of Lifetime Achievement award. If you take into account his longevity, success in literature, etc., his dedicated following, his influence in creating and sustaining a rather unique genre and the fact that he simply makes music fun, I think he has been a great ambassador for "Rock & Roll". In that sense, I think he is deserving of some recognition.

My two cents on the subject.

CaptainP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

ColdWaterConch wrote:What makes you think that he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm not so sure he fits into the R&R category.

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

Can't argue with that, except that, as was pointed out, BLONDIE is in the HOF. Other than the technicality that they had the first #1 hit rap record (with something that barely qualifies as rap), they have very little significance.

The induction of artists into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame isn't based on chart positions or sales but on influence, otherwise folks like Robert Johnson, Frank Zappa and the Velvet Underground wouldn't be in there. Along with Talking Heads, the Ramones, the Dead Boys and many other artists, Blondie helped to forge an entire genre. The same can not be said of Jimmy Buffett unless you want to count a legion of Buffett imitators that have very little to offer in the way of originality.

Craiger wrote:I'll set aside the question of whether or not Jimmy meets the criteria (mainly because I don't know what they are)...

http://rockhall.com/hof/process.asp

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

I agree that it's that whole classification thing that prevents this. He's certainly influenced music...but mostly in the country genre...which has certainly drifted closer to rock (and of course, that's where LTC landed). (But then Miles Davis, a jazz guy, just got in.) However, most of his radio play has been on the pop/rock side. And, the fact that there is an entire "culture" out there that is devotedly influenced (music, lifestyle, etc.) by him shows again how narrowly they interpret the criteria. He also supports and encourages a broad range of up-and-coming musicians...from Maroon 5 to Jake Shimabukuro. I think Jimmy's just too clever for the masses. They might figure it out someday, but I doubt Jimmy's holding his breath.

RinglingRingling wrote:

CaptainP wrote:

Jahfin wrote:

ColdWaterConch wrote:What makes you think that he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm not so sure he fits into the R&R category.

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

Can't argue with that, except that, as was pointed out, BLONDIE is in the HOF. Other than the technicality that they had the first #1 hit rap record (with something that barely qualifies as rap), they have very little significance.

Debbie Harry was hot.... that scored her points with the judges.

I must say it scored her a few points with me too!
**back in the day**

Jahfin wrote: I mentioned this in another thread (see below for link) but so far no one has been able to provide an answer. Aside from folks like Todd Snider, some Buffett influenced artists that exist only on the fringe of Parrotheard circles, and the occasional song that borrows his style (and/or mentions his name) who has Buffett influenced enough to warrant a nomination for induction into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame?

Buffett is one of my favorite artists of all time but I'll be the first to admit that I don't think he meets the criteria required for induction:

That's simply not true. Any who seriously takes a look around regarding "influences" will see Jimmy's laid back style in much of Jack Johnson's and Dave Matthews music. He's become more and more a mentor to many new artists on the scene.
He was an influence to earlier artists such as Loggins & Messina (Full Sail album), Leon Russell (Back to the Island), and more.
He influenced some of the later work from the Beach Boys (Kokomo).
solo stuff from Brian Wilson (South American), Garth Brooks (Two Pina Coladas).
Jimmy's perserverance, loyalty to, and continued nurturing & development of the "style" makes him WAY more of a candidate for the HOF than Blondie. A humble PH opinion...

TraderRick wrote:He was an influence to earlier artists such as Loggins & Messina (Full Sail album), Leon Russell (Back to the Island), and more.

I don't think Buffett influenced Loggins & Messina at all. In fact, Jim Messina was in Buffalo Springfield and they were around before anyone knew who Jimmy Buffett was. So was Leon Russell. Maybe they influenced him.

TraderRick wrote:

Jahfin wrote: I mentioned this in another thread (see below for link) but so far no one has been able to provide an answer. Aside from folks like Todd Snider, some Buffett influenced artists that exist only on the fringe of Parrotheard circles, and the occasional song that borrows his style (and/or mentions his name) who has Buffett influenced enough to warrant a nomination for induction into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame?

Buffett is one of my favorite artists of all time but I'll be the first to admit that I don't think he meets the criteria required for induction:

That's simply not true. Any who seriously takes a look around regarding "influences" will see Jimmy's laid back style in much of Jack Johnson's and Dave Matthews music. He's become more and more a mentor to many new artists on the scene.

Who are these artists and how come so many fans of Buffett are having such a hard time naming them? As for Jack Johnson and Dave Matthews, I'm aware that Buffett has covered songs by both of these artists in concert but I don't hear his influence on either one of them at all. Dave Matthews' sound is more rooted in jazz and r & b than anything I hear in Jimmy Buffett's music. I have heard Buffett mention Dave in interviews over the years but it wasn't from a musical standpoint, it was how Dave similarly built his audience from the ground up without the benefit of a string of hit singles. Of course that type of sucess would come later for Dave but it was because of the grassroots efforts he (and other acts such as Phish, Blues Traveler, etc.) made early on in their respective careers.

TraderRick wrote:He was an influence to earlier artists such as Loggins & Messina (Full Sail album), Leon Russell (Back to the Island), and more.

See LIPH's post.

TraderRick wrote:He influenced some of the later work from the Beach Boys (Kokomo).

That piece of crap song isn't at all representative of the best the Beach Boys have to offer and isn't something I'd exactly consider a crowning achievement, especially if you factor in the contribution from musical "legend" John Stamos. It sounds more influenced by music a suntan lotion commerical (didn't it become the jingle for one?).

TraderRick wrote:solo stuff from Brian Wilson (South American), Garth Brooks (Two Pina Coladas).

Again, I wouldn't say Brian Wilson was influenced by Buffett, if anything it's the exact opposite. Buffett making a guest appearance on one of his musical hero's albums does not an influence make.

Garth may have been influenced by Buffett but keep in mind Buffett also attempted to sue him for it as well.

TraderRick wrote:Jimmy's perserverance, loyalty to, and continued nurturing & development of the "style" makes him WAY more of a candidate for the HOF than Blondie. A humble PH opinion...

What "style" has Buffett created other than helping to create a bunch of artists that imitate his style rather than creating their own? Hell, I'm not even a fan of Blondie myself but I'll be the first to tell you how very influential she was in the creation of punk and new wave.

LIPH wrote:

TraderRick wrote:He was an influence to earlier artists such as Loggins & Messina (Full Sail album), Leon Russell (Back to the Island), and more.

I don't think Buffett influenced Loggins & Messina at all. In fact, Jim Messina was in Buffalo Springfield and they were around before anyone knew who Jimmy Buffett was. So was Leon Russell. Maybe they influenced him.

Well I WENT to the Full Sail tour in 1974. I was a huge Loggins & Messina fan. And I was well aware of JB at that time via "White Sports Coat/Pink Crustacean". I guess everything is up for debate...but if you asked me back then who was nurturing a laid back island style my first answer wouldn't be Loggins and Messina.

probably because he is still touring and making so much money. cha-ching!!