Global Warming wipes out Key West

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Global Warming wipes out Key West

Post by flyboy55 »

Unlike the current administration, I've been worried about climate change for a long time. I believe global warming is a reality and will present the biggest challenge the human species has ever faced.

So what?

Think about this: with rising sea level changes predicted by most climate change models, all those Buffettesque island paradises will be under water, Key West included!

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... thday.html

How will that change the Parrothead dynamic? Will we still tailgate knowing that these places (Key West, etc) only still exist in the parking lots of America's entertainment venues?

Also, I live in a coastal city but up on a hill. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

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Post by balcony girls »

there was mention of this on our local talk radio show in the Tampa area just this morning . . .

the lead-in was " Is Florida shrinking ? ? " . .! !

the bottom line was that, in a 100 years, and because of global warming the cities of Key West , Miami, and Tampa would be no more . . .

and for my local neighbors . . Plant City would become the new BEACHFRONT PROPERTY . .! !


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the thing you have to remember is that humans have built on fragile areas. An example is my home town and also OBX where I was recently. These are barrier islands. The function of barrier islands is to protect the mainlands. Barrier islands are supposed to change shape, size, placement, and even disappear while new ones appear. When we built on them and decided that they were expensive properties we bagan trying to make them stay in place. So we start screwing with natuer but continuing to pump sand there, dredge channels, build dunes and reefs all in an attempt to halt nature so we can have our nice homes.
On the plus side if you life in a beach town but are uphill, several blocks or miles from the shore you might have beach front property in a decade or so.
Coastal NJ hasn't had a serious hurricane in 30 years. Since then many more homes are built on the coast. If we get a direct hit they will be gone.
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OceanCityGirl wrote:the thing you have to remember is that humans have built on fragile areas. An example is my home town and also OBX where I was recently. These are barrier islands. The function of barrier islands is to protect the mainlands. Barrier islands are supposed to change shape, size, placement, and even disappear while new ones appear. When we built on them and decided that they were expensive properties we bagan trying to make them stay in place. So we start screwing with natuer but continuing to pump sand there, dredge channels, build dunes and reefs all in an attempt to halt nature so we can have our nice homes.
On the plus side if you life in a beach town but are uphill, several blocks or miles from the shore you might have beach front property in a decade or so.
Coastal NJ hasn't had a serious hurricane in 30 years. Since then many more homes are built on the coast. If we get a direct hit they will be gone.
nah, the feds will probably give them money to rebuild, even if they are second, vacation, homes
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Cool! NEW BEACHES!!! :pirate:
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Post by Jahfin »

With the prolonged Springs we've been experiencing here along the NC coast over the last few years I'm just as inclined to believe in global cooling...
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According to research done by the National Center for Atmospheric Research predictions are that in the next 100-150 years the melting ice and glaciers could cause the global ocean level to rise 1-3 feet.
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According to research done by a group at the University of Arizona at the current rate that the Earths temperature is rising, by the year 2100 it will be 4 degreees warmer than it is now 8) and the Arctic will be at least as warm as it was 130,000 years ago.

The real debate though is whether this is caused by humans or just the natural, cyclical beat of Mother Earth. The Earth has gone through several cycles of heating and cooling long before we ever appeared and she sure isn't going to stop now just for us.

I tend to lean more toward nature taking its course.
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I'm of the mind that the earth is very resilient, and we'll probably blow ourselves to bits well before we really destroy the earth. I'm just hoping that I don't live that long.
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Coconuts wrote:I'm of the mind that the earth is very resilient, and we'll probably blow ourselves to bits well before we really destroy the earth. I'm just hoping that I don't live that long.
I agree...
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Post by CaptainP »

Global Warming is real....a scientifically documented fact. Read Steven Schnieder's books.

The problem with getting people to react to it is that it is poorly named. All the time, I hear people, on a cold day, or a snowy day, say, "So much for Global Warming". They focus on the word WARMING, not GLOBAL. People are too narrow-minded to think of anything outside of their own little world. However, if the average temperature around the world goes up by just one degree, it is enough to cause melting of polar ice caps to begin, which leads to higher ocean levels, which leads to changes in weather (such as more hurricanes).

In reality, it should be referred to as "Global Climate Change", but that just doesn't sound as dramatic. It is more accurate, however.
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Post by OceanCityGirl »

i also don't really believe in global warming. I believe the earth has very long span climate cycles.
That said, some of the things that would be done to prevent global warming serve other positive purposes.
However we have had an hvac/r business for a long time. The stupidity that has gone in with refrigerants in the cause of preventing global warming is great. Replacement refrigerants that have cost more money have been found to be more destructive. And that's the only arena I understand, but if the gov't messed up there it probably is doing the same in the other areas.
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Have you seen this :o
http://www.crystalinks.com/poleshifts.html
POLE SHIFTS


Many researchers believe that the Earth's poles are going to shift in the near future. They believe that this is all part of the cycles of planet Earth. The magnetic North and South poles have shifted before in the course of the planet's history - one result being the last Ice Age.

In my opinion - the Earth will loose its magnetics - the grids that form the consciousness of our reality will collapse - as we shift into the next level of consciousness. Reality as we know it ceases to exist - a newer reality occuring for all souls. This will come swiftly and will not be measured in linear time. This will happen at what I call Zero Point Merge which is a pole shift in consciousness.



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SCIENTIFIC DEFINITIONS
Pole shifts are a cataclysmic inversion of the planet's axis of rotation, up to 180 degrees; a sudden slippage of the planet's solid crust around the molten core. There are several major scientists of this century that also expouse this concept as an event that has happened before in Earth's past.

Geographic axis: man-made arbitrary north-south fixed reference that determines lines of longitude and latitude, and the geographic North and South Poles.

Axis of instantaneous rotation: the true astronomical axis; the rotation axis. The line drawn through the Earth about which it is actually rotating at any point in time. The points where the line cuts through the earth's surface are called the "rotation poles"; the visualised extention of the north axis line in space currently points to the star Polaris, the North Star.

Axis of maximum moment of inertia = the axis of figure: because the Earth is not a perfect sphere, but is physically an oblate spheroid, the position of the axis of figure is not a precise constant, but is affected by the constant change in the earth's distribution of total mass: (ie, by ocean tides, atmospheric cond- itions, plate tectonic movements, etc.).

The combinations, and movements, of these masses with gravitational, centrifugal and orbital velocity vector forces, create what we call the equatorial bulge, and thus, the axis of figure. If the Earth were a perfect sphere, there would not be such an axis. The angular difference between the astronomical axis and the axis of figure, called a "nutation", causes an Earth orbital spirical oscillation, known as the famous Chandler "wobble". The equatorial bulge, the rotation axis' angle of inclination to the ecliptic plane, the gravitational tidal forces of the Sun, Moon and planets, have an affect on the Earths' orbit that produces the famous precession of the equinoxes.

Axial Tilt: the ecliptic is the plane of the Earth's ellipsoidal orbital path around the sun; the rotation axis is currently inclined to the ecliptic by an angle of 23.5 degrees: this is called the obliquity, or tilt, of the axis. It is this axial tilt that causes our annual seasons. Due to orbital dynamics, the obliquity varies between a minimum of 21 degs. 39 mins. and a maximum of 24 degs. 36 mins. over a 41,000 year cycle. The axial tilt's rate of change, (angular differentiation), is currently measured as .013 degs. per century.

Geomagnetic axis: not to be confused with the geographical axis, as it often times is. The Earth's magnetic field (whose real source is still an ongoing scientific mystery, but generally attributed to the interactions between the interior molten convection currents and the nickle-iron core, generating an electromagnetic force field, coupled with the rotational and orbital forces), itself has, by its own lines of force through space, the magnetosphere, a north- south axis. At present, the angular difference between geographic and geo- magnetic north poles is about 11 degrees.

Through paleomagnetism, (the study of the magnetic properties of rocks), scientists now have solid proof that the earth's magnetic field, and thus the geomagnetic north and south poles, have reversed itself namy times in the past. Magnetic field polarity reversals are magnetic poleshifts. The geologic record also shows that the strength of the magnetic field varies widely in time, and fluctuates wildly during field reversals, sometimes dropping to zero gauss strength; ie: the field vanishes, disappears! It is also a proven fact that the magnetic poles wander, literally zig-zagging around its axis.

At the present time, the field strength is decreasing. Again, the mechanisms driving all of this still not understood very well.



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ARTICLES IN THE NEWS

Earth's Magnetics Reversed


Magnetic Storm NOVA
Is the magnetic field that protects Earth from deady radiation about to reverse direction of even disappear?

Will Compasses Point South? NY Times - January 2005

The collapse of the Earth's magnetic field, which both guards the planet and guides many of its creatures, appears to have started in earnest about 150 years ago. The field's strength has waned 10 to 15 percent, and the deterioration has accelerated of late, increasing debate over whether it portends a reversal of the lines of magnetic force that normally envelop the Earth.

During a reversal, the main field weakens, almost vanishes, then reappears with opposite polarity. Afterward, compass needles that normally point north would point south, and during the thousands of years of transition, much in the heavens and Earth would go askew.

A reversal could knock out power grids, hurt astronauts and satellites, widen atmospheric ozone holes, send polar auroras flashing to the equator and confuse birds, fish and migratory animals that rely on the steadiness of the magnetic field as a navigation aid. Although a total flip may be hundreds or thousands of years away, the rapid decline in magnetic strength is already damaging satellites.

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Solar wind to shield Earth during pole flip New Scientist - May 2004

A new model of the way the Earth interacts with the solar wind indicates that a replacement field will form in the upper atmosphere during the switch.
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Midnight Flyer wrote:According to research done by the National Center for Atmospheric Research predictions are that in the next 100-150 years the melting ice and glaciers could cause the global ocean level to rise 1-3 feet.

According to research done by a group at the University of Arizona at the current rate that the Earths temperature is rising, by the year 2100 it will be 4 degreees warmer than it is now 8) and the Arctic will be at least as warm as it was 130,000 years ago.
The head of the group at the University of Arizona, Jonathon Overpeck, also predicts a four to six meter sea level rise in the future - that's 13 to 19 feet - more than enough to cause serious problems for coastal areas around the world.

If I had property in the Keys, I'd either plan on being dead in the next few decades or I'd sell NOW. :wink: :D

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Post by CaptainP »

It's a very technical read, but a lot of good information here:

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
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Post by RinglingRingling »

there was a great documentary on the Little Ice Age on the History Channel a while back. Amazing what crops will, and will not grow with just a couple degrees average swing..

I think it is a lot more complex than "we are cranking the internal combustion engines and power plants so the greenhouse gases are increasing". That probably isn't helping. Add in a couple volcanic blasts, and a snowball effect... and that still doesn't cover more than a tiny fraction of the contributors.
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Post by Quiet and Shy »

A lot of if's in this info...so Topless, I wouldn't be counting on waterfront property just yet. This map assumes a 20 foot rise in sea level...that's a lot of water!!

I tend to think there's a combination of things going on: both normal cyclical warming of the Earth and atmosphere, along with some human influence. The piece that is hard to figure out is how much is due to human impact and how dangerous this impact truly is since there's such a short data history in climatological terms. And because of that and the relatively long-term forecasts of doom, etc., it's not urgent for anyone.

I suppose it's a bit like the big hurricane that might "someday" hit New Orleans, the big earthquake that will hit California or the Midwest (New Madrid fault)...we know it's going to happen sometime but act and hope as though it won't be within our forseeable future.
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flyboy55 wrote:
Midnight Flyer wrote:According to research done by the National Center for Atmospheric Research predictions are that in the next 100-150 years the melting ice and glaciers could cause the global ocean level to rise 1-3 feet.

According to research done by a group at the University of Arizona at the current rate that the Earths temperature is rising, by the year 2100 it will be 4 degreees warmer than it is now 8) and the Arctic will be at least as warm as it was 130,000 years ago.
The head of the group at the University of Arizona, Jonathon Overpeck, also predicts a four to six meter sea level rise in the future - that's 13 to 19 feet - more than enough to cause serious problems for coastal areas around the world.

If I had property in the Keys, I'd either plan on being dead in the next few decades or I'd sell NOW. :wink: :D

Cheers.
I've read some of his studies. IMHO I think he is a bit of an extremist...BUT...he hypothesized (not predicted) that sea level could rise as much as 4-5 meters and it would be over centuries. (November 8, 2003, Albuquerque, NM)
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Quiet and Shy wrote: I suppose it's a bit like the big hurricane that might "someday" hit New Orleans, the big earthquake that will hit California or the Midwest (New Madrid fault)...we know it's going to happen sometime but act and hope as though it won't be within our forseeable future.
Don't forget about the supervolcano underneath Wyoming. :wink:



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CaptainP wrote:
Quiet and Shy wrote: I suppose it's a bit like the big hurricane that might "someday" hit New Orleans, the big earthquake that will hit California or the Midwest (New Madrid fault)...we know it's going to happen sometime but act and hope as though it won't be within our forseeable future.
Don't forget about the supervolcano underneath Wyoming. :wink:



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