The Bible

Soraya · Post by **Soraya** » March 30, 2006 10:25 pm

No one is taken you to task for what you are teaching your own children....just what you expect of others.

Oh, and it's Wiccan....not Wickan and Catholics are Christian. Hard to have others believe that you really have respect if you can't even get the basics right.

Again, you haven't answered the question. What would you do if a Pagan child wanted to join your school teams and lead a prayer? Be honest.....what woud you and your community do, how would it treat them?

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » March 30, 2006 10:29 pm

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
AlbatrossFlyer wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
jimolliemom wrote:As far as the school system, it's ALL PUBLIC. As far as I know, this town has no private schools.
Not trying to be confrontational, but I have a question. What if a family with a child in the public schools practices the Pagan religion and wants to offer a Pagan prayer before a sporting event. What happens?
organized prayer in public schools is unconstitutional - period.......
when run *by* the school, I agree. but if in the context of an afterschool club run by students, I don't have a problem with it, as long as ANY group is allowed to form a club.

Don't try to be logical or reasonable. It messes up the reactionaries.

UAHparrothead · Post by **UAHparrothead** » March 30, 2006 10:33 pm

Now, we are starting to get snooty with one another and that is not what I wanted so if this is what this thread is going to become I would just as soon have it locked. Now I have been nothing but open minded with everyone's opinion, while standing my own ground. But I think there has beens alienation on BOTH sides of the line, so let's try to act civil towards one another.

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » March 30, 2006 10:36 pm

UAHparrothead wrote:Now, we are starting to get snooty with one another and that is not what I wanted so if this is what this thread is going to become I would just as soon have it locked. Now I have been nothing but open minded with everyone's opinion, while standing my own ground. But I think there has beens alienation on BOTH sides of the line, so let's try to act civil towards one another.

and I haven't even asked if anyone has read the Book Of Mormon..

Sorry Brad I Have kept out of this thread as I am
not able to express myself in print, as well as in person
with words..

G~D willing you and I can sit down and explain ourselves one day..

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » March 30, 2006 10:36 pm

Key Lime Lee wrote:Don't try to be logical or reasonable. It messes up the reactionaries.

jimolliemom · Post by **jimolliemom** » March 30, 2006 10:36 pm

To me, a person is a person....I'd be interested in to who and what they do pray...and I know Catholics are Christian...I respect a lot of things I can not spell. If anyone wanted to pray, have at it.

Since some have never met me and some on BN I've knows for 10+ years, I guess I should have begun with I like to learn about the way others live. I knew nothing of farming until I moved here either. I knew nothing of LDS until I met Loyd. I knew nothing of wiccan until Cindy told me. I can learn a lot and not change from what I know is right for me!

I'm done defending myself and trying to reason. If you want to have praise to a higher power...have at it. I sure do and will continue. The personal stabs are more than I care to deal with. I'm off to exercise and shower. Tomorrow is another day and my kids will be up early for school.
Thanks Brad for such a exciting topic.

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » March 30, 2006 10:38 pm

UAHparrothead wrote:Now I have been nothing but open minded with everyone's opinion, while standing my own ground. But I think there has beens alienation on BOTH sides of the line, so let's try to act civil towards one another.

I agree on both counts.

UAHparrothead · Post by **UAHparrothead** » March 30, 2006 10:39 pm

ragtopW wrote:
UAHparrothead wrote:Now, we are starting to get snooty with one another and that is not what I wanted so if this is what this thread is going to become I would just as soon have it locked. Now I have been nothing but open minded with everyone's opinion, while standing my own ground. But I think there has beens alienation on BOTH sides of the line, so let's try to act civil towards one another.

and I haven't even asked if anyone has read the Book Of Mormon..

Sorry Brad I Have kept out of this thread as I am
not able to express myself in print, as well as in person
with words..

G~D willing you and I can sit down and explain ourselves one day..

I am looking forward to that day my friend.

Sam · Post by **Sam** » March 30, 2006 10:47 pm

Soraya,
Do you feel the same way about every Muslim or Hebrew, or Buddhist ,or Pagan, or whatever belief one may hold, as you seem to feel about every Christian? Would you make the same generalization about a person's skin color? sexual persuasion? marrital status? or anyother thing?

BTW, you said you were a bartender in an NCO club and you did not mention if you were a vet, if I understand from reading all of your post. ( yes I have read them, no matter what you said earlier.) I have been to numerous NCO clubs and have heard the talk as well. If only half of the talk that goes on inside one were 100% true......

It would seem you already think, you know what really happened., maybe you were told some of what happened...You tell us of your experience as a bartender in an NCO club....I am telling you my experience as a vet and what I saw in REAL LIFE. Do you know the difference between a "war story" and a fairy tale?

As far as what little I know of what have posted, you can only repeat what you have heard, and not what you have experienced or seen. ( not a slam or an attack, just an observation.) Not every vet is a Christian. You can draw your own conclusions. Vets are people too, and we only know what we knew at the time. Some don't care to remember, and it is best to leave the subject alone. I make no further comments about it.

You have no reason to be bitter or condemn people in here, nor all dare accuse all Christians of whatever. No one is condemning you or attacking you. No one is trying or attempting to convert you. What works for you and works for someone else are clearly different things. No one is out to change anyone here. So why condemn someone else for their views and try to convince them your way is such a Rightgeous way?

I could tell you about a letter I got from a supposed Christian, in a very dark and tragic moment in my life. I don't blame every Christian for it, or for thinking such as that person did.
Everyone is an individual as has been said before, and everyone has Free Will, to decide for himself or herself.

Brad,
Do not feel bad about or regret starting this thread, as it is a learning experince for all of us. It has stayed mostly civil and polite. People with bad experiences from a group of people tend to forget it is individuals and not their political leanings nor their religious or lack there of, beliefs.
One needs to remember people are individuals and to be dealt with accordingly.

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » March 30, 2006 10:49 pm

LaTda wrote:So has anyone read the bible as a book vs reading the bible?

Once, in high school, for a literature class. We read the Book of Job and then a contemporary book (the name of which escapes me) based on the Book of Job, and compared the writing style, without considering the faith issues. But this was the 70's, in a town outside Boston that was roughly 1/2 Catholic and 1/2 Jewish, with a few Protestants, Mormons and others for good measure. I'm sure there were atheists and agnostics, but I couldn't have told you who they were. I don't think such a thing would happen in a public school today, nor do I think it should.

Aside from that, I never read the Bible until I was in college. We were taught (incorrectly, IMHO) that we shouldn't read the Bible, but that the priests would interpret it for us and tell us what we needed to know.

Although because I do believe in God, I can't read them as simply literature (most of them have deeper meaning for me), the Psalms include a lot of beautiful poetry, and the Proverbs have some pretty good advice for living.

**edit**..... SPEW SPEW SPEW..... The book we read wasn't a book... it was a play, by Archibald MacLeish..... The name of the play? "J.B."

From Amazon:

MacLeish's pulitzer prize winning verse play sets the Old Testament book of Job in a semi-satirical modern setting (a circus tent), where JB (Job) undergoes his trials under the watchful eyes of the circus vendors Zuss and Nickles, who mimic the roles of God and Satan, respectively. JB's plight is essentially a play within a play, as the focus of the work tends to be the interactions between Zuss and Nickles.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

flyboy55 · Post by **flyboy55** » March 31, 2006 12:10 am

UAHparrothead wrote:Now, we are starting to get snooty with one another and that is not what I wanted so if this is what this thread is going to become I would just as soon have it locked. Now I have been nothing but open minded with everyone's opinion, while standing my own ground. But I think there has beens alienation on BOTH sides of the line, so let's try to act civil towards one another.

I second that emotion (sez the atheist).

Cheers.

Post by **SMLCHNG** » March 31, 2006 12:29 am

flyboy55 wrote: I second that emotion (sez the atheist).

I third that emotion (sez the moderator, Brad's friend, and reminding folks that the original question was what you thought of the bible, not who's wrong or right about one religion or another).

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 31, 2006 7:37 am

SchoolGirlHeart wrote: We were taught (incorrectly, IMHO) that we shouldn't read the Bible, but that the priests would interpret it for us and tell us what we needed to know.

pretty twisted but not in the least bit surprising.

tommcat327 · Post by **tommcat327** » March 31, 2006 7:38 am

SMLCHNG wrote:
flyboy55 wrote: I second that emotion (sez the atheist).
I third that emotion (sez the moderator, Brad's friend, and reminding folks that the original question was what you thought of the bible, not who's wrong or right about one religion or another).

as soon as everyone will just accept the fact that i am right and everyone else is wrong we will all feel a lot better about it, right penny?

Post by **SMLCHNG** » March 31, 2006 8:43 am

tommcat327 wrote:as soon as everyone will just accept the fact that i am right and everyone else is wrong we will all feel a lot better about it, right penny?

Absolutely, Tom.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » March 31, 2006 8:59 am

What am I supposed to feel good about when I realize Tom is right??

ragtopW · Post by **ragtopW** » March 31, 2006 9:05 am

ph4ever wrote:What am I supposed to feel good about when I realize Tom is right??

you will then be enlightened and all will feel good.

rednekkPH · Post by **rednekkPH** » March 31, 2006 9:13 am

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
AlbatrossFlyer wrote:what really interests me is why at least 3 brains here are wired "not to have religious faith" and number of brains are wired to "believe". what's the neuro-science behind this phenomenon? is there a "belief" center in the brain and we don't have it? or do we have something in our brains that the faith crowd doesn't have?
Is it the brain, or the various ways we were raised, do you think?
i was raised in a religious household. my parents and brother are god believing churchgoers. i attended church and sunday school in my formative years, yet a very young age i simply didn't "believe"....

Same here. I dont think it has anything to do with upbringing.

Key Lime Lee · Post by **Key Lime Lee** » March 31, 2006 9:23 am

I agree with Frank.... my folks went to church pretty regularly, I went to Sunday school, was an alter boy, etc... but at some point I started asking questions about what it was I was participating in and, when I couldn't find answers that satisfied me, left it behind.

NYCPORT · Post by **NYCPORT** » March 31, 2006 9:28 am

When praying before a game or event which "God" do you pray to??? Do you bring Jesus' name into the prayer? Did you ever stop and think how someone who didn't believe in Jesus the way you do would feel in such a prayer?
I just don't see the how the lines are drawn to say if I pray I'm a good person. All I'm seeing is a crutch for you to lean on. How about something along the lines of "I know how good people are supposed to act and I will teach my children the same." Why does religion have to be thrown in the mix?
Did you ask your children before you started taking them to church if they wanted to go?