Why Not KC or St Lou?

iuparrothead · Post by **iuparrothead** » March 30, 2006 4:44 pm

Isn't it pretty much plain and simple about business relationships? This question is battered to death and so many theories about personal preferences are thrown out, but doesn't it make the most sense that JB's management simply has good relationships with different venues that in turn generate maximum revenue and that's why he chooses to play them?

AlbatrossFlyer · Post by **AlbatrossFlyer** » March 30, 2006 4:54 pm

iuparrothead wrote:Isn't it pretty much plain and simple about business relationships? This question is battered to death and so many theories about personal preferences are thrown out, but doesn't it make the most sense that JB's management simply has good relationships with different venues that in turn generate maximum revenue and that's why he chooses to play them?

ann's got it.... add in JB only plays 30 some gigs a year, not 200. why fix what ain't broke

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » March 30, 2006 5:12 pm

RAGTOP wrote:
Limes&Parrots wrote:I've heard a couple rumors why he hasn't come to St. Louis in several years. (Disclaimer: I don't know the reasons are true or urban myths, but I do know he hasn't been here since 2001.)

1. Riverport (or Clear Channel or whoever negotiated the contract for the venue) tried to haggle with him over his base salary, concessions, parking, etc. He was not to happy since all of the other venues 'bucked' up and paid.

2. After the stage was setup, Maryland Heights fire came in and told him he had to move parts of the stage because it was a fire hazard. Needless to say he wasn't happy with that.

Other reasons I can guess for no St. Louis.

1. I don't think Riverport sold out in 2001, why go if you can't maximize your income?.
2. JB is not a fan of the tornados and 'green skies' that went past Riverport the last time he was here.
3. Riverport wouldn't budge on the no-tailgating rule.
4. Last but not least Jimmy realized he was in St Louis

So you are saying that as far as venues go... St. Louis is...

wait for it...

Busch League.

:D:D:D:D:D

I slay me.

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » March 30, 2006 5:13 pm

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:
iuparrothead wrote:Isn't it pretty much plain and simple about business relationships? This question is battered to death and so many theories about personal preferences are thrown out, but doesn't it make the most sense that JB's management simply has good relationships with different venues that in turn generate maximum revenue and that's why he chooses to play them?
ann's got it.... add in JB only plays 30 some gigs a year, not 200. why fix what ain't broke

***DING DING DING***

whataguydave · Post by **whataguydave** » March 30, 2006 9:18 pm

Okay, let's not get into city bashing. Save that for the football season

Parrotheads are great people wherever they may come from. It was just an observation that the Northeast and Great Lakes get shows every year, and often at the same venues, while other regions, mainly in the West, don't get many shows at all. But I agree, it's likely because it DOES work and management does have a relationship with these venues.

Let's face it, seeing a Buffett concert is an experience, and part of that experience is enjoying all that goes with it, including tailgating, dancing in the lawn, etc. Some venues are set up for "the experience" and some are not. Alpine, Great Woods, and Riverbend are ready. As for KC, I only mentioned it because it's a working class town that I think would throw a pretty good party. But, I'm not sure if Verizon is ready. It's on th Kansas side and rather strict with the alcohol. Kemper is an indoor arena built in the stone age (and as far as I'm concerned, "the experience" is best enjoyed outdoors anyway).

Seeing Jimmy is like taking a cruise. Half the fun is traveling someplace new. We flew to Cleveland a couple of years ago. Never been there before and had no reason to go other than to see a Buffett show. We had a blast. Wouldn't have been the same had we just drove a couple of hours, saw the show, and then went home.

Now, as for the best football city.... (should I mention I'm from Wisconsin).

WWJBD? · Post by **WWJBD?** » March 31, 2006 12:56 am

Jimmy is a Cubs fan...he has no business going to St. Louis.

coolcallie · Post by **coolcallie** » March 31, 2006 2:54 am

Limes&Parrots wrote:I've heard a couple rumors why he hasn't come to St. Louis in several years. (Disclaimer: I don't know the reasons are true or urban myths, but I do know he hasn't been here since 2001.)

1. Riverport (or Clear Channel or whoever negotiated the contract for the venue) tried to haggle with him over his base salary, concessions, parking, etc. He was not to happy since all of the other venues 'bucked' up and paid.

2. After the stage was setup, Maryland Heights fire came in and told him he had to move parts of the stage because it was a fire hazard. Needless to say he wasn't happy with that.

Other reasons I can guess for no St. Louis.

1. I don't think Riverport sold out in 2001, why go if you can't maximize your income?.
2. JB is not a fan of the tornados and 'green skies' that went past Riverport the last time he was here.
3. Riverport wouldn't budge on the no-tailgating rule.

I've heard some of that. Local PHs like to think it's other reason No. 3.

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » March 31, 2006 7:39 am

whataguydave wrote:Okay, let's not get into city bashing. Save that for the football season Parrotheads are great people wherever they may come from. It was just an observation that the Northeast and Great Lakes get shows every year, and often at the same venues, while other regions, mainly in the West, don't get many shows at all. But I agree, it's likely because it DOES work and management does have a relationship with these venues.

Let's face it, seeing a Buffett concert is an experience, and part of that experience is enjoying all that goes with it, including tailgating, dancing in the lawn, etc. Some venues are set up for "the experience" and some are not. Alpine, Great Woods, and Riverbend are ready. As for KC, I only mentioned it because it's a working class town that I think would throw a pretty good party. But, I'm not sure if Verizon is ready. It's on th Kansas side and rather strict with the alcohol. Kemper is an indoor arena built in the stone age (and as far as I'm concerned, "the experience" is best enjoyed outdoors anyway).

Seeing Jimmy is like taking a cruise. Half the fun is traveling someplace new. We flew to Cleveland a couple of years ago. Never been there before and had no reason to go other than to see a Buffett show. We had a blast. Wouldn't have been the same had we just drove a couple of hours, saw the show, and then went home.

Now, as for the best football city.... (should I mention I'm from Wisconsin).

so you're a fan of "Daaaa Barrrrsssss..."

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » March 31, 2006 7:57 am

Limes&Parrots wrote:I've heard a couple rumors why he hasn't come to St. Louis in several years. (Disclaimer: I don't know the reasons are true or urban myths, but I do know he hasn't been here since 2001.)

1. Riverport (or Clear Channel or whoever negotiated the contract for the venue) tried to haggle with him over his base salary, concessions, parking, etc. He was not to happy since all of the other venues 'bucked' up and paid.

2. After the stage was setup, Maryland Heights fire came in and told him he had to move parts of the stage because it was a fire hazard. Needless to say he wasn't happy with that.

Other reasons I can guess for no St. Louis.

1. I don't think Riverport sold out in 2001, why go if you can't maximize your income?.
2. JB is not a fan of the tornados and 'green skies' that went past Riverport the last time he was here.
3. Riverport wouldn't budge on the no-tailgating rule.

The first two are definately reasons he hasn't been back to St. Louis. Riverport management are notorious for hassling the acts.

And I always figured a big reason was the no tailgating rule, too.

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » March 31, 2006 7:58 am

RAGTOP wrote:
Limes&Parrots wrote:I've heard a couple rumors why he hasn't come to St. Louis in several years. (Disclaimer: I don't know the reasons are true or urban myths, but I do know he hasn't been here since 2001.)

1. Riverport (or Clear Channel or whoever negotiated the contract for the venue) tried to haggle with him over his base salary, concessions, parking, etc. He was not to happy since all of the other venues 'bucked' up and paid.

2. After the stage was setup, Maryland Heights fire came in and told him he had to move parts of the stage because it was a fire hazard. Needless to say he wasn't happy with that.

Other reasons I can guess for no St. Louis.

1. I don't think Riverport sold out in 2001, why go if you can't maximize your income?.
2. JB is not a fan of the tornados and 'green skies' that went past Riverport the last time he was here.
3. Riverport wouldn't budge on the no-tailgating rule.
4. Last but not least Jimmy realized he was in St Louis

Easy there....

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » March 31, 2006 7:58 am

RinglingRingling wrote:
RAGTOP wrote:
Limes&Parrots wrote:I've heard a couple rumors why he hasn't come to St. Louis in several years. (Disclaimer: I don't know the reasons are true or urban myths, but I do know he hasn't been here since 2001.)

1. Riverport (or Clear Channel or whoever negotiated the contract for the venue) tried to haggle with him over his base salary, concessions, parking, etc. He was not to happy since all of the other venues 'bucked' up and paid.

2. After the stage was setup, Maryland Heights fire came in and told him he had to move parts of the stage because it was a fire hazard. Needless to say he wasn't happy with that.

Other reasons I can guess for no St. Louis.

1. I don't think Riverport sold out in 2001, why go if you can't maximize your income?.
2. JB is not a fan of the tornados and 'green skies' that went past Riverport the last time he was here.
3. Riverport wouldn't budge on the no-tailgating rule.
4. Last but not least Jimmy realized he was in St Louis
So you are saying that as far as venues go... St. Louis is...

wait for it...

Busch League. :D:D:D:D:D

I slay me.

Ilph · Post by **Ilph** » March 31, 2006 7:59 am

WWJBD? wrote:Jimmy is a Cubs fan...he has no business going to St. Louis.

He's also a Red Sox fan, but you sure do see him in New York quite a bit.

Limes&Parrots · Post by **Limes&Parrots** » March 31, 2006 6:26 pm

"So on the way home from work I am listening to the radio station that was a sponsor of the 2000 tour in St.Louis and they are spreading rumors of Jimmy playing the brand new Busch Stadium as the first concert ever to be held there. Forty six thousand Parrotheads down by the river in my neighborhood! Phins are crossed"

I did see this posted on the new tour & rumors thread. This would definitely solve the 'dealing with Riverport' issues and the stage setup issue.

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » March 31, 2006 7:10 pm

Ilph wrote:
WWJBD? wrote:Jimmy is a Cubs fan...he has no business going to St. Louis.
He's also a Red Sox fan, but you sure do see him in New York quite a bit.

I think he's a baseball fan (Cubs primarily) who couldn't pass up the chance to play Fenway. Hell, as a Yankee fan, I wouldn't either.

spartan1979 · Post by **spartan1979** » April 1, 2006 11:23 pm

You'd think with the Mayer brothers being from St. Louis, he'd play here once in a while.

Limes&Parrots · Post by **Limes&Parrots** » April 3, 2006 12:10 pm

spartan1979 wrote:You'd think with the Mayer brothers being from St. Louis, he'd play here once in a while.

You'd hope anyway.

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » April 3, 2006 12:14 pm

Limes&Parrots wrote:
spartan1979 wrote:You'd think with the Mayer brothers being from St. Louis, he'd play here once in a while.
You'd hope anyway.

Why? I don't think it makes any difference at all where his band members come from.... Where he plays simply boils down to his preferences and his business decisions....

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » April 3, 2006 12:23 pm

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Limes&Parrots wrote:
spartan1979 wrote:You'd think with the Mayer brothers being from St. Louis, he'd play here once in a while.
You'd hope anyway.
Why? I don't think it makes any difference at all where his band members come from.... Where he plays simply boils down to his preferences and his business decisions....

"It's Jimmy's Band. Sometimes they do forget..."

Coconuts · Post by **Coconuts** » April 3, 2006 12:32 pm

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Limes&Parrots wrote:
spartan1979 wrote:You'd think with the Mayer brothers being from St. Louis, he'd play here once in a while.
You'd hope anyway.
Why? I don't think it makes any difference at all where his band members come from.... Where he plays simply boils down to his preferences and his business decisions....

And it's not like either of them live there now (and didn't they spend a lot of time in India growing up?)

SchoolGirlHeart · Post by **SchoolGirlHeart** » April 3, 2006 12:35 pm

Coconuts wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Limes&Parrots wrote:
spartan1979 wrote:You'd think with the Mayer brothers being from St. Louis, he'd play here once in a while.
You'd hope anyway.
Why? I don't think it makes any difference at all where his band members come from.... Where he plays simply boils down to his preferences and his business decisions....
And it's not like either of them live there now (and didn't they spend a lot of time in India growing up?)

Uh-huh.... Now, I'm pretty sure they both live near Nashville......

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