CaptainP wrote:You have a pleasure you like to partake in....smoking.
The residue from your pleasure is smoke.
It gets in my hair and my clothes, not to mention my lungs.
I have a pleasure, also.
I like to drink beer.
The residue from MY pleasure is urine.
Would YOU like it if I stood on a chair, and p*** on your hair, clothes, and up your nose?
kidding aside, whether or not second hand smoke presents a real threat to anyone is debatable and yes, the EPA studies have essentially been debunked as junk science although of course that has not been widely publicized (Penn & Teller dedicated a whole episode of BS [SHowtime] to the subject recently).
What is not debatable to me is that people should have the options to both avoid it altogether or choose to participate in a legal activity without more government regulation. Private businesses have a way of catering to their customers no matter their preferences and I think this is the best way for a free people to handle the issue. Let's face it, federal and state governments definitely don't want to cut off such a lucrative source of revenue no matter the level of rhetoric. But it boils down to respect for each other and most smokers I know are very considerate of non-smokers.
As to the comparison between second hand smoke and beer, I can't recall the last time a smoker crossed the center line (because of a cigarette) and crashed head-on into traffic and killed innocent people. Some may claim long-term health risks from smoking but we all know that one drunk idiot can kill you tonight God Forbid
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Jahfin wrote:Not to mention, another "residue" of drinking is puking. No, not a good analogy at all.
I think you're way way way out there on this one. I drink often enough, but I don't puke with any regularity. But as CaptainP implied, my irrigation is definitely increased.
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Jahfin wrote:Not to mention, another "residue" of drinking is puking. No, not a good analogy at all.
I think you're way way way out there on this one. I drink often enough, but I don't puke with any regularity. But as CaptainP implied, my irrigation is definitely increased.
And I think the analogy (as noted in the above post) is way way way out there too. Ever driven after consuming alcohol? Not the same as driving after smoking tobacco is it?
And I have asthma...even being around people outside smoking is bad for me. The smell in my clothes and hair is awful. Once you get that smell on you, the only way to get rid of it is with a bath---not always easy in the middle of a concert.
And while I'm on the subject---why do people that work in stores stand at the front door and smoke????
How are you suppose to go inside without going through that cloud of smelly smoke????
springparrot wrote:And I have asthma...even being around people outside smoking is bad for me. The smell in my clothes and hair is awful. Once you get that smell on you, the only way to get rid of it is with a bath---not always easy in the middle of a concert.
And while I'm on the subject---why do people that work in stores stand at the front door and smoke????
How are you suppose to go inside without going through that cloud of smelly smoke????
When it comes to smoking outside asthma sufferers are different and their health risks must most definitely be respected. Still, smokers shouldn't be treated as the second hand citizens they sometimes are. If Kinky Friedman becomes govenor of Texas he plans to "de-wussify" the state. One place he plans to start is by lifting the ridiculous smoking bans that have been put in place in Austin where people aren't allowed to smoke hardly anywhere. They've been reduced to smoking in their cars.
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springparrot wrote:And I have asthma...even being around people outside smoking is bad for me. The smell in my clothes and hair is awful. Once you get that smell on you, the only way to get rid of it is with a bath---not always easy in the middle of a concert.
And while I'm on the subject---why do people that work in stores stand at the front door and smoke????
How are you suppose to go inside without going through that cloud of smelly smoke????
where would you have them go?
I don't remember where it was, but there's someplace that banned smoking within 25 feet (or something like that) of entrances to public places...
springparrot wrote:And I have asthma...even being around people outside smoking is bad for me. The smell in my clothes and hair is awful. Once you get that smell on you, the only way to get rid of it is with a bath---not always easy in the middle of a concert.
And while I'm on the subject---why do people that work in stores stand at the front door and smoke????
How are you suppose to go inside without going through that cloud of smelly smoke????
where would you have them go?
Back door
Or farther away from the front door---what about to their car?
How about having your hair done---spending way too much $$ and then walking through a cloud of cig smoke.
It has happened more than once.
CaptainP wrote:You have a pleasure you like to partake in....smoking.
The residue from your pleasure is smoke.
It gets in my hair and my clothes, not to mention my lungs.
I have a pleasure, also.
I like to drink beer.
The residue from MY pleasure is urine.
Would YOU like it if I stood on a chair, and p*** on your hair, clothes, and up your nose?
Fantastic comeback! I plan on using it the next time a smoker tells me my drinking is bothering them.
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Jahfin wrote:When it comes to smoking outside asthma sufferers are different and their health risks must most definitely be respected. Still, smokers shouldn't be treated as the second hand citizens they sometimes are. If Kinky Friedman becomes govenor of Texas he plans to "de-wussify" the state. One place he plans to start is by lifting the ridiculous smoking bans that have been put in place in Austin where people aren't allowed to smoke hardly anywhere. They've been reduced to smoking in their cars.
CaptainP wrote:You have a pleasure you like to partake in....smoking.
The residue from your pleasure is smoke.
It gets in my hair and my clothes, not to mention my lungs.
I have a pleasure, also.
I like to drink beer.
The residue from MY pleasure is urine.
Would YOU like it if I stood on a chair, and p*** on your hair, clothes, and up your nose?
kidding aside, whether or not second hand smoke presents a real threat to anyone is debatable and yes, the EPA studies have essentially been debunked as junk science although of course that has not been widely publicized (Penn & Teller dedicated a whole episode of BS [SHowtime] to the subject recently).
What is not debatable to me is that people should have the options to both avoid it altogether or choose to participate in a legal activity without more government regulation. Private businesses have a way of catering to their customers no matter their preferences and I think this is the best way for a free people to handle the issue. Let's face it, federal and state governments definitely don't want to cut off such a lucrative source of revenue no matter the level of rhetoric. But it boils down to respect for each other and most smokers I know are very considerate of non-smokers.
As to the comparison between second hand smoke and beer, I can't recall the last time a smoker crossed the center line (because of a cigarette) and crashed head-on into traffic and killed innocent people. Some may claim long-term health risks from smoking but we all know that one drunk idiot can kill you tonight God Forbid
the fact of the matter is when it's your time to go - you're gonna go.
The fact is cigarette smokers do occasionally drop their cigarette in their car and an accident can and have occured because of this.
It all boils down to responsibility and respect.
If you're a smoker- respect your non smoker friends
If you're a drinker - get a dd or cab
Well...(said in my best Bubba voice) I've been on sabbatical.
Jahfin wrote:When it comes to smoking outside asthma sufferers are different and their health risks must most definitely be respected. Still, smokers shouldn't be treated as the second hand citizens they sometimes are. If Kinky Friedman becomes govenor of Texas he plans to "de-wussify" the state. One place he plans to start is by lifting the ridiculous smoking bans that have been put in place in Austin where people aren't allowed to smoke hardly anywhere. They've been reduced to smoking in their cars.
I doubt if he can change the laws alone
Hopefully he can. Maybe while he's at it he can get prostitution and weed legalized too.
Jahfin wrote:When it comes to smoking outside asthma sufferers are different and their health risks must most definitely be respected. Still, smokers shouldn't be treated as the second hand citizens they sometimes are. If Kinky Friedman becomes govenor of Texas he plans to "de-wussify" the state. One place he plans to start is by lifting the ridiculous smoking bans that have been put in place in Austin where people aren't allowed to smoke hardly anywhere. They've been reduced to smoking in their cars.
I doubt if he can change the laws alone
Hopefully he can. Maybe while he's at it he can get prostitution and weed legalized too.
Jah---you know I've been on your side on some arguments, but this statement is just stupid.
As a non-smoker, I can say I support the bans 100%. I understand that some people choose to smoke...and that is their right. I just think it should be banned in public places...I try to avoid any place that I feel is going to be "overly" smoke filled, all together.
As for the "non-smoking sections"...I should not have to smell smoke when I am dining or relaxing...and even in the Non-Smoking sections, you can still smell it. It literally makes my eyes burn, my throat itchy, and my nose burn...it's just very unpleasant, all the way around. I nearly get ill when I leave a place where someone has been smoking, and my hair and clothing smells like cigerettes. THEN there is (even the possibility) of second-hand smoke induced illnesses...I will not chance it. Then there is the issue of my child...who has asthma; he simply cannot be around smoke.
This was NOT said to anger anyone....we all have our "vices"...I just happen to have one that doesn't affect the general public...LOL
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matt-you and I have also discussed this privately. Your smoking is absolutely your right. But when you smoke in a public place, it affects those around you. I had dinner recently at a friend's house. She smokes. When I got home, I had to put everything I was wearing into the wash as it all reallly smelled.
Mr friend that is a pulmonologist specializes in lung cancers, and he would readily discuss this issue with any and everyone. He has seen evidence of secondhand smoke, and actively supported the smoking ban in Chicago.
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Jahfin wrote:When it comes to smoking outside asthma sufferers are different and their health risks must most definitely be respected. Still, smokers shouldn't be treated as the second hand citizens they sometimes are. If Kinky Friedman becomes govenor of Texas he plans to "de-wussify" the state. One place he plans to start is by lifting the ridiculous smoking bans that have been put in place in Austin where people aren't allowed to smoke hardly anywhere. They've been reduced to smoking in their cars.
I doubt if he can change the laws alone
Hopefully he can. Maybe while he's at it he can get prostitution and weed legalized too.
Jah---you know I've been on your side on some arguments, but this statement is just stupid.
Not if you like personal freedoms such as whores and smokin' weed.
springparrot wrote:And I have asthma...even being around people outside smoking is bad for me. The smell in my clothes and hair is awful. Once you get that smell on you, the only way to get rid of it is with a bath---not always easy in the middle of a concert.
And while I'm on the subject---why do people that work in stores stand at the front door and smoke????
How are you suppose to go inside without going through that cloud of smelly smoke????
where would you have them go?
Back door
Or farther away from the front door---what about to their car?
How about having your hair done---spending way too much $$ and then walking through a cloud of cig smoke.
It has happened more than once.
ok, the drawback is this... if you are lucky, you get 15 minutes of breaktime. 5 out to the car, means 5 back, which means you have to s*** one down in a hurry.
Does that do anything to ameliorate your situation.. no, it doesn't. But they don't know any more about you and your situation than you know about theirs.
I am sorry, but there is a limit to which one side (either one) gets to impose their system of beliefs on the other as long as tobacco, cigarettes, cigars and the like are sold legally.
fruityparrothead wrote:As a non-smoker, I can say I support the bans 100%. I understand that some people choose to smoke...and that is their right. I just think it should be banned in public places...I try to avoid any place that I feel is going to be "overly" smoke filled, all together.
As for the "non-smoking sections"...I should not have to smell smoke when I am dining or relaxing...and even in the Non-Smoking sections, you can still smell it. It literally makes my eyes burn, my throat itchy, and my nose burn...it's just very unpleasant, all the way around. I nearly get ill when I leave a place where someone has been smoking, and my hair and clothing smells like cigerettes. THEN there is (even the possibility) of second-hand smoke induced illnesses...I will not chance it. Then there is the issue of my child...who has asthma; he simply cannot be around smoke.
This was NOT said to anger anyone....we all have our "vices"...I just happen to have one that doesn't affect the general public...LOL
Luv and Peace!
How do you feel about people that fart in public places?
fruityparrothead wrote:As a non-smoker, I can say I support the bans 100%. I understand that some people choose to smoke...and that is their right. I just think it should be banned in public places...I try to avoid any place that I feel is going to be "overly" smoke filled, all together.
As for the "non-smoking sections"...I should not have to smell smoke when I am dining or relaxing...and even in the Non-Smoking sections, you can still smell it. It literally makes my eyes burn, my throat itchy, and my nose burn...it's just very unpleasant, all the way around. I nearly get ill when I leave a place where someone has been smoking, and my hair and clothing smells like cigerettes. THEN there is (even the possibility) of second-hand smoke induced illnesses...I will not chance it. Then there is the issue of my child...who has asthma; he simply cannot be around smoke.
This was NOT said to anger anyone....we all have our "vices"...I just happen to have one that doesn't affect the general public...LOL
Luv and Peace!
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fruityparrothead wrote:As a non-smoker, I can say I support the bans 100%. I understand that some people choose to smoke...and that is their right. I just think it should be banned in public places...I try to avoid any place that I feel is going to be "overly" smoke filled, all together.
As for the "non-smoking sections"...I should not have to smell smoke when I am dining or relaxing...and even in the Non-Smoking sections, you can still smell it. It literally makes my eyes burn, my throat itchy, and my nose burn...it's just very unpleasant, all the way around. I nearly get ill when I leave a place where someone has been smoking, and my hair and clothing smells like cigerettes. THEN there is (even the possibility) of second-hand smoke induced illnesses...I will not chance it. Then there is the issue of my child...who has asthma; he simply cannot be around smoke.
This was NOT said to anger anyone....we all have our "vices"...I just happen to have one that doesn't affect the general public...LOL
Luv and Peace!
How do you feel about people that fart in public places?
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