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60 Minutes just did a story that pretty much proved the Priory of Scion is pure fiction...which even further begs the question, what is the Catholic church so obsessed about??

Because perhaps there is something that Dan Brown stumbled across by accidents that the Church doesn't want us to know about. I haven't read the book in a while. Need to read it again before I see the movie.

Quiet and Shy wrote:60 Minutes just did a story that pretty much proved the Priory of Scion is pure fiction...which even further begs the question, what is the Catholic church so obsessed about??

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big hat carmen wrote:

Quiet and Shy wrote:60 Minutes just did a story that pretty much proved the Priory of Scion is pure fiction...which even further begs the question, what is the Catholic church so obsessed about??

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Um...have they missed the last 3+ centuries of maps....?

Quiet and Shy wrote:

big hat carmen wrote:

Quiet and Shy wrote:60 Minutes just did a story that pretty much proved the Priory of Scion is pure fiction...which even further begs the question, what is the Catholic church so obsessed about??

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Um...have they missed the last 3+ centuries of maps....?

Haha, think we should tell them that the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE has united to form Germany?

Soraya wrote:

jonesbeach10 wrote:That's pretty funny because a lot of Christian leaders around here were actually endorsing it saying how well it worked as a teaching tool. Go figure.
It's not like the Church would be hiding anything that would have possibly slipped out in the book.

I am amazed at the amout of anti-Catholic behavior I've encountered since moving to the South. A friend of mine that was interviewing for an internship while she was in Duke law school was called a 'mackerel eater' when the interviewer saw that her under-grad was from Notre Dame in Religious Studies.

Of course those folks are going to be using this fictional movie as a 'teaching' tool....it buys into all their preconceived notions and conspiracy theories.

Too bad it doesn't make the movie factual.

It's not entirely fictual.

Ever wonder why it took the Roman Catholic Church 400 years to decide to call Mary a Virgin? Or to supress the fact that Jesus had brothers. Or that "Jesus of Nazareth" isn't possible because Nazareth wasn't even founded yet, but it was because he hung with Nazarenes, who were "Rebels". How about making December 25 Jesus' birthday, when we know he was born sometime in the spring and his birthday was moved to the widely celebrated and historic pagan holiday, the winter solstice. Hence "Sunday" becoming the Sabbath instead of the original Saturday. Same deal on Easter, another "remove the pagan holiday by covering it up with a Christian holiday". Or maybe how the Bible refers to Jesus as a Rabbi in some instances and it's a known fact that you have to be married to be a rabbi.....just curious, is it not?

The most plausible scenario in my mind is that the "Holy Grail", the ol' cup that caught Christ's blood is a figurative term....allegedly it truly represents the knowledge of Christ's bloodline, as he did have family....hence the Catholic Church turning on the Knights Templar and trying to have them exterminated....

The Catholic Church has done a lot of awful things in history, many of them as "cover ups"....It doesn't shock me to see they would boycott this movie, whether it is fiction or not. There certainly are parts of the movie that seem ridiculous, but the foundation of the Knights Templar and Freemasons go back much further than you realize and were more powerful than one would think. The Church just gets threatened easy.

*steps off soapbox*

we were talking about this on The Island on Friday. Nothing like a good "you must boycott" edict to push the box office grosses thru the roof (tho they weren't going to be light anyway). When are the religious types going to realize that if you come out and rant about something, the attention sucks more folks in.

Salman Rushdie's books would have come and gone, unread for the most part until that little fatwah ordering his death for heresy. The Last Temptation of Christ wasn't nearly the movie it became after the Church went nuts. And Kevin Smith's Dogma would have just been a cult movie if the outraged Catholics hadn't started issuing death threats..

tools..

Soraya wrote:Too bad it doesn't make the movie factual.

Right, because everything the Catholic church is built on is facutal.

Soraya wrote:I am amazed at the amout of anti-Catholic behavior I've encountered since moving to the South.

Hell, around here Catholic bashing is about as popular as whining about when concert dates will be announced. It's pretty easy for people to criticize and ridicule a faith they know nothing about... most that do have clearly formed their perception based on distorted media reports and simply appear embittered by the reality that the Catholic church is the largest Christian faith in the world with millions of loyal, faithful followers. It's real easy to point fingers and point out the faults and misgivings of the Catholic church because it's large and is sturdy in the face of adversity... and not so easy for those same people to admit and point out the world of good the Catholic church does in comparison. With the way non-Catholics already falsely perceive the Catholic church, it's not that bizarre for the church to suggest not seing a movie because unfortunately the reality is that many people will believe details in the movie as more fact than fiction... there won't be any discernment... no matter if it's widely known to have originated from a fiction book.

iuparrothead wrote:

Soraya wrote:I am amazed at the amout of anti-Catholic behavior I've encountered since moving to the South.

With the way non-Catholics already falsely perceive the Catholic church, it's not that bizarre for the church to suggest not seing a movie because unfortunately the reality is that many people will believe details in the movie as more fact than fiction... there won't be any discernment... no matter if it's widely known to have originated from a fiction book.

oh the irony in that statement

iuparrothead wrote:<snip> because unfortunately the reality is that many people will believe details in the movie as more fact than fiction... there won't be any discernment... no matter if it's widely known to have originated from a fiction book.

As a recovering Catholic Conspiracy Theorist, I'm currently reading the book, and really looking forward to the movie. It's a work of fiction, if somone watches it and thinks it is a documentary, they have some serious issues here... I wouldn't think people are quite that dumb...

tjtryon wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:<snip> because unfortunately the reality is that many people will believe details in the movie as more fact than fiction... there won't be any discernment... no matter if it's widely known to have originated from a fiction book.

As a recovering Catholic Conspiracy Theorist, I'm currently reading the book, and really looking forward to the movie. It's a work of fiction, if somone watches it and thinks it is a documentary, they have some serious issues here... I wouldn't think people are quite that dumb...

I don't really think Dan Brown intended the book to be considered fact. I think he knows it's mostly fiction and he knew it would sell because of the controversy and it's just a flat out entertaining read. Fact or Fiction, it's an interesting book.

It's been a couple years since I read the book, but if I recall correctly, he does bring up some good points that have been considered touchy subjects.

Then again, being of the Freemason mind, perhaps I'm just more open minded to those sort of things

I have read the book and I thought it was excellent and I plan to go see the movie, especially since Tom Hanks is in it. I don't really see how anyone could construe the Catholic church as an evil intentity within the book. The Catholic Church does contain many mystieries and misunderstandings in its catechism, but unfortunatly people fear what they don't understand. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters.

iuparrothead wrote: It's real easy to point fingers and point out the faults and misgivings of the Catholic church because it's large and is sturdy in the face of adversity... and not so easy for those same people to admit and point out the world of good the Catholic church does in comparison.

Sadly, this is the part that is always overlooked

IrishG wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:

Soraya wrote:I am amazed at the amout of anti-Catholic behavior I've encountered since moving to the South.

With the way non-Catholics already falsely perceive the Catholic church, it's not that bizarre for the church to suggest not seing a movie because unfortunately the reality is that many people will believe details in the movie as more fact than fiction... there won't be any discernment... no matter if it's widely known to have originated from a fiction book.

oh the irony in that statement

I see your point... and if you're suggesting many Catholics maintain a belief in their faith without discernment, then you are correct. But so do many if not most other faiths... that's more human nature than a Catholic thing. I think there is legitimate concern that many people with a distorted and ill-evolved impression of the Catholic church, purely ignorant people (in the true definition of the word ignorant), would be likely to put credence into the fictional story of the movie more than they realistically should be.

tjtryon wrote:

iuparrothead wrote:<snip> because unfortunately the reality is that many people will believe details in the movie as more fact than fiction... there won't be any discernment... no matter if it's widely known to have originated from a fiction book.

As a recovering Catholic Conspiracy Theorist, I'm currently reading the book, and really looking forward to the movie. It's a work of fiction, if somone watches it and thinks it is a documentary, they have some serious issues here... I wouldn't think people are quite that dumb...

I'm admittedly cynical... I think many people are...

Hey Ann, I guess its a bad day to Catholic and a Cub Fan around these parts.

After rereading my post, I'm sorry if I came across as a conspiracy theorist when I didn't mean to. I am Roman Catholic and love the priests at my local church. I'm just open-minded to these sorts of things, considering the Catholic Church over the years hasn't always exactly been so saintly, especially the higher up you go (google Pope Leo X, and wonder why there hasn't been a Leo XI). As someone earlier mentioned, Christmas and Easter are coincidentally on the same dates as pagan holidays. And more recently, it has come to light there was a supposed "Gospel of Judas" which tells a very different portrayal of the events surrounding Juads' betrayal and Jesus' death.

The point I was trying to make was that it would not surprise me if some of the things in the Da Vince Code were in fact true and by urging a boycott, the Vatican was trying to keep these facts on the dl, so to speak. It just seems to me that once you get past the parishonal (sp?) level and weed out the few bad priests that commited the heinous acts, which came to light a few years ago, it seems that morality just goes down the drain the higher up you go, and Catholicism becomes more of a big corporation with skeletons in the closet.

Cubbie Bear wrote:Hey Ann, I guess its a bad day to Catholic and a Cub Fan around these parts.

It's ALWAYS a bad day to be a Catholic around these parts... in my experience. And there are probably a lot of people that will suggest the same about being a Cub fan too... eh, whatcha gonna do? My dwindling daily post count suggests what I've done.

iuparrothead wrote:

Cubbie Bear wrote:Hey Ann, I guess its a bad day to Catholic and a Cub Fan around these parts.

It's ALWAYS a bad day to be a Catholic around these parts... in my experience. And there are probably a lot of people that will suggest the same about being a Cub fan too... eh, whatcha gonna do? My dwindling daily post count suggests what I've done.

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