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BottleofRum wrote:Just like a blueprint, Ortiz comes through with a big hit early in the game and ARod hits a meaningless HR when the game was already over.

I was watching the game at a bar, when ARod came up in the 9th I said to the guy next to me "Here comes the meaningless HR" and sure enough....

He can drop that MVP trophy off in the Red Sox clubhouse anytime this week, forget about the defence argument neither one plays defence anymore.

They should change ARod's nickname to LOBROD (LOB=left on base)

The Yankees pitching and (lack of) defense will kill them this year.

job41475 wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

job41475 wrote:Still love my team and always will no mater what but man they're in trouble. Obviously I don't expect anyone to feel bad for them ( nor should you) but we have so many injuries that we don't even have the replacement players to be competitive right now. Thank god it's only May...

you do realize that the payroll for those Yankee players on the DL right now is more than 37 million dollars... more than twice the Devil Rays entire payroll. Yanks can't use injuries as an excuse.

Having 37 million dollars on the DL is excuse enough but again like I said I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for them. Injuries happen, it's part of the game. If they can't overcome then when it's all said and done then it will be a disapointing season.

Pavano accounts for $10m of that $37M and you can make a strong case that him being hurt helps the Yankess.. he is not a good pitcher.

The only every day players that have lost are Shefield and Matsui and Shef will be back. The Red Sox have played almost the whole season without their starting center fielder and #5 starter.

Their problem is bad front office management, bad signings and bad trades, if you spend that much on a team and you don't have adequate backup players you get what you deserve. ARod, Jeter and Giambi combine to take up $64,709,298 of the Yankees payroll of $194,663,079 . Those three players make more combined than 12 other teams entire payroll.

Minnesota Twins $ 63,396,006
Washington Nationals $ 63,143,000
Oakland Athletics $ 62,243,079
Cincinnati Reds $ 60,909,519
Arizona Diamondbacks $ 59,684,226
Milwaukee Brewers $ 57,568,333
Cleveland Indians $ 56,031,500
Kansas City Royals $ 47,294,000
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 46,717,750
Colorado Rockies $ 41,233,000
Tampa Bay Devil Rays $ 35,417,967
Florida Marlins $ 14,998,500


The Red Sox Payroll is $ 120,099,824, they only have 3 players making more than $10M (The Yankees have 10) and when Shefield comes back tonight none of those 10 will be on the DL.

Blame Cashman and Blame Steinbrenner.

I am smart enough to know the Yankees are not dead yet, of course they will still be there at the end of the season contending one way or another. I just think this is the most trouble they have been in in the last 10 years.

the bottom line is they are still fielding a team that has AROD (all star) Jeter (All star), Giambi (All star), Damon (All star) etc... with these guys in the linuep and Johnson and Mussina in your rotation, injuries are not an excuse. On paper this is by far the best team in baseball and should be for what they are paying these guys. The problem lies with signing these geriatrics with big bloated salaries.

BottleofRum wrote:

job41475 wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

job41475 wrote:Still love my team and always will no mater what but man they're in trouble. Obviously I don't expect anyone to feel bad for them ( nor should you) but we have so many injuries that we don't even have the replacement players to be competitive right now. Thank god it's only May...

you do realize that the payroll for those Yankee players on the DL right now is more than 37 million dollars... more than twice the Devil Rays entire payroll. Yanks can't use injuries as an excuse.

Having 37 million dollars on the DL is excuse enough but again like I said I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for them. Injuries happen, it's part of the game. If they can't overcome then when it's all said and done then it will be a disapointing season.

Pavano accounts for $10m of that $37M and you can make a strong case that him being hurt helps the Yankess.. he is not a good pitcher.

I don't know what the Yankees were thinking when they gave Pavano that big contract. I know women who have more balls than he does.

LIPH wrote:

BottleofRum wrote:

job41475 wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

job41475 wrote:Still love my team and always will no mater what but man they're in trouble. Obviously I don't expect anyone to feel bad for them ( nor should you) but we have so many injuries that we don't even have the replacement players to be competitive right now. Thank god it's only May...

you do realize that the payroll for those Yankee players on the DL right now is more than 37 million dollars... more than twice the Devil Rays entire payroll. Yanks can't use injuries as an excuse.

Having 37 million dollars on the DL is excuse enough but again like I said I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for them. Injuries happen, it's part of the game. If they can't overcome then when it's all said and done then it will be a disapointing season.

Pavano accounts for $10m of that $37M and you can make a strong case that him being hurt helps the Yankess.. he is not a good pitcher.

I don't know what the Yankees were thinking when they gave Pavano that big contract. I know women who have more balls than he does.

BottleofRum wrote:

job41475 wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

job41475 wrote:Still love my team and always will no mater what but man they're in trouble. Obviously I don't expect anyone to feel bad for them ( nor should you) but we have so many injuries that we don't even have the replacement players to be competitive right now. Thank god it's only May...

you do realize that the payroll for those Yankee players on the DL right now is more than 37 million dollars... more than twice the Devil Rays entire payroll. Yanks can't use injuries as an excuse.

Having 37 million dollars on the DL is excuse enough but again like I said I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for them. Injuries happen, it's part of the game. If they can't overcome then when it's all said and done then it will be a disapointing season.

Pavano accounts for $10m of that $37M and you can make a strong case that him being hurt helps the Yankess.. he is not a good pitcher.

The only every day players that have lost are Shefield and Matsui and Shef will be back. The Red Sox have played almost the whole season without their starting center fielder and #5 starter.

Their problem is bad front office management, bad signings and bad trades, if you spend that much on a team and you don't have adequate backup players you get what you deserve. ARod, Jeter and Giambi combine to take up $64,709,298 of the Yankees payroll of $194,663,079 . Those three players make more combined than 12 other teams entire payroll.

Minnesota Twins $ 63,396,006
Washington Nationals $ 63,143,000
Oakland Athletics $ 62,243,079
Cincinnati Reds $ 60,909,519
Arizona Diamondbacks $ 59,684,226
Milwaukee Brewers $ 57,568,333
Cleveland Indians $ 56,031,500
Kansas City Royals $ 47,294,000
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 46,717,750
Colorado Rockies $ 41,233,000
Tampa Bay Devil Rays $ 35,417,967
Florida Marlins $ 14,998,500


The Red Sox Payroll is $ 120,099,824, they only have 3 players making more than $10M (The Yankees have 10) and when Shefield comes back tonight none of those 10 will be on the DL.

Blame Cashman and Blame Steinbrenner.

I am smart enough to know the Yankees are not dead yet, of course they will still be there at the end of the season contending one way or another. I just think this is the most trouble they have been in in the last 10 years.

Yeah it is funny that everyone is proclaiming how much trouble they're in ( me included to a certain extent) but they are 24-19. Most teams, payrolls aside would kill for that record. The future is bleak though. Getting Sheff back tonight hopefully will help.

job41475 wrote:

BottleofRum wrote:

job41475 wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

job41475 wrote:Still love my team and always will no mater what but man they're in trouble. Obviously I don't expect anyone to feel bad for them ( nor should you) but we have so many injuries that we don't even have the replacement players to be competitive right now. Thank god it's only May...

you do realize that the payroll for those Yankee players on the DL right now is more than 37 million dollars... more than twice the Devil Rays entire payroll. Yanks can't use injuries as an excuse.

Having 37 million dollars on the DL is excuse enough but again like I said I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for them. Injuries happen, it's part of the game. If they can't overcome then when it's all said and done then it will be a disapointing season.

Pavano accounts for $10m of that $37M and you can make a strong case that him being hurt helps the Yankess.. he is not a good pitcher.

The only every day players that have lost are Shefield and Matsui and Shef will be back. The Red Sox have played almost the whole season without their starting center fielder and #5 starter.

Their problem is bad front office management, bad signings and bad trades, if you spend that much on a team and you don't have adequate backup players you get what you deserve. ARod, Jeter and Giambi combine to take up $64,709,298 of the Yankees payroll of $194,663,079 . Those three players make more combined than 12 other teams entire payroll.

Minnesota Twins $ 63,396,006
Washington Nationals $ 63,143,000
Oakland Athletics $ 62,243,079
Cincinnati Reds $ 60,909,519
Arizona Diamondbacks $ 59,684,226
Milwaukee Brewers $ 57,568,333
Cleveland Indians $ 56,031,500
Kansas City Royals $ 47,294,000
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 46,717,750
Colorado Rockies $ 41,233,000
Tampa Bay Devil Rays $ 35,417,967
Florida Marlins $ 14,998,500


The Red Sox Payroll is $ 120,099,824, they only have 3 players making more than $10M (The Yankees have 10) and when Shefield comes back tonight none of those 10 will be on the DL.

Blame Cashman and Blame Steinbrenner.

I am smart enough to know the Yankees are not dead yet, of course they will still be there at the end of the season contending one way or another. I just think this is the most trouble they have been in in the last 10 years.

Yeah it is funny that everyone is proclaiming how much trouble they're in ( me included to a certain extent) but they are 24-19. Most teams, payrolls aside would kill for that record. The future is bleak though. Getting Sheff back tonight hopefully will help.

They are not going to just go away but how many times can they expect to wins games when they are trailing 9-0 in the 2nd and 4-0 in the 9th? Flip those games into two losses and they are 5 back today. As NYCPORT once put so eloquently, "division titles are not won in May but they sure can be lost."

Sooner or later they will make their run and win 20 out of 25 or something. I just hope that happens later rather than sooner

LIPH wrote:

BottleofRum wrote:

job41475 wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

job41475 wrote:Still love my team and always will no mater what but man they're in trouble. Obviously I don't expect anyone to feel bad for them ( nor should you) but we have so many injuries that we don't even have the replacement players to be competitive right now. Thank god it's only May...

you do realize that the payroll for those Yankee players on the DL right now is more than 37 million dollars... more than twice the Devil Rays entire payroll. Yanks can't use injuries as an excuse.

Having 37 million dollars on the DL is excuse enough but again like I said I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for them. Injuries happen, it's part of the game. If they can't overcome then when it's all said and done then it will be a disapointing season.

Pavano accounts for $10m of that $37M and you can make a strong case that him being hurt helps the Yankess.. he is not a good pitcher.

I don't know what the Yankees were thinking when they gave Pavano that big contract. I know women who have more balls than he does.

I am oh so thankful Pavano chose NY over Boston (for about the same money).

Although we took that money and overpaid Clement, at least he can still take his turn in the rotation.

SuperTrooper wrote:

LIPH wrote:

BottleofRum wrote:

job41475 wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

job41475 wrote:Still love my team and always will no mater what but man they're in trouble. Obviously I don't expect anyone to feel bad for them ( nor should you) but we have so many injuries that we don't even have the replacement players to be competitive right now. Thank god it's only May...

you do realize that the payroll for those Yankee players on the DL right now is more than 37 million dollars... more than twice the Devil Rays entire payroll. Yanks can't use injuries as an excuse.

Having 37 million dollars on the DL is excuse enough but again like I said I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for them. Injuries happen, it's part of the game. If they can't overcome then when it's all said and done then it will be a disapointing season.

Pavano accounts for $10m of that $37M and you can make a strong case that him being hurt helps the Yankess.. he is not a good pitcher.

I don't know what the Yankees were thinking when they gave Pavano that big contract. I know women who have more balls than he does.

I am oh so thankful Pavano chose NY over Boston (for about the same money).

Although we took that money and overpaid Clement, at least he can still take his turn in the rotation.

that's what we call addition by subtraction.

WEEI was having an interesting discussion on who is really "Mr. Clutch" in NY: Jeter or A-ROD?

Yankmee fans almost exclusively side with Jeter based on what they "see", but the statistical evidence points otherwise. Using the "close and late" stat (ABs 7th inning and later, team tied, leading or trailing by a run) since A-ROD joined the Yankmees:
Jeter .214, 8HR, 16 RBI
A-ROD .278. 14 HR, 28 RBI

I will grant that Jeter has usually hit leadoff during this period, reducing chances for RBIs, but the BA struck me as low for someone labelled "clutch".

BottleofRum wrote:

job41475 wrote:

BottleofRum wrote:

job41475 wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

job41475 wrote:Still love my team and always will no mater what but man they're in trouble. Obviously I don't expect anyone to feel bad for them ( nor should you) but we have so many injuries that we don't even have the replacement players to be competitive right now. Thank god it's only May...

you do realize that the payroll for those Yankee players on the DL right now is more than 37 million dollars... more than twice the Devil Rays entire payroll. Yanks can't use injuries as an excuse.

Having 37 million dollars on the DL is excuse enough but again like I said I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for them. Injuries happen, it's part of the game. If they can't overcome then when it's all said and done then it will be a disapointing season.

Pavano accounts for $10m of that $37M and you can make a strong case that him being hurt helps the Yankess.. he is not a good pitcher.

The only every day players that have lost are Shefield and Matsui and Shef will be back. The Red Sox have played almost the whole season without their starting center fielder and #5 starter.

Their problem is bad front office management, bad signings and bad trades, if you spend that much on a team and you don't have adequate backup players you get what you deserve. ARod, Jeter and Giambi combine to take up $64,709,298 of the Yankees payroll of $194,663,079 . Those three players make more combined than 12 other teams entire payroll.

Minnesota Twins $ 63,396,006
Washington Nationals $ 63,143,000
Oakland Athletics $ 62,243,079
Cincinnati Reds $ 60,909,519
Arizona Diamondbacks $ 59,684,226
Milwaukee Brewers $ 57,568,333
Cleveland Indians $ 56,031,500
Kansas City Royals $ 47,294,000
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 46,717,750
Colorado Rockies $ 41,233,000
Tampa Bay Devil Rays $ 35,417,967
Florida Marlins $ 14,998,500


The Red Sox Payroll is $ 120,099,824, they only have 3 players making more than $10M (The Yankees have 10) and when Shefield comes back tonight none of those 10 will be on the DL.

Blame Cashman and Blame Steinbrenner.

I am smart enough to know the Yankees are not dead yet, of course they will still be there at the end of the season contending one way or another. I just think this is the most trouble they have been in in the last 10 years.

Yeah it is funny that everyone is proclaiming how much trouble they're in ( me included to a certain extent) but they are 24-19. Most teams, payrolls aside would kill for that record. The future is bleak though. Getting Sheff back tonight hopefully will help.

They are not going to just go away but how many times can they expect to wins games when they are trailing 9-0 in the 2nd and 4-0 in the 9th? Flip those games into two losses and they are 5 back today. As NYCPORT once put so eloquently, "division titles are not won in May but they sure can be lost."

Sooner or later they will make their run and win 20 out of 25 or something. I just hope that happens later rather than sooner

From your mouth to God's ears.....

People think of Jeter as being a clutch player because he's been on winning teams since his rookie year and he's been a big part of the team's success. True, the Yankees haven't won a World Series since 2000 but Rodriguez has never won anything, except individual awards.

SuperTrooper wrote:WEEI was having an interesting discussion on who is really "Mr. Clutch" in NY: Jeter or A-ROD?

Yankmee fans almost exclusively side with Jeter based on what they "see", but the statistical evidence points otherwise. Using the "close and late" stat (ABs 7th inning and later, team tied, leading or trailing by a run) since A-ROD joined the Yankmees:
Jeter .214, 8HR, 16 RBI
A-ROD .278. 14 HR, 28 RBI

I will grant that Jeter has usually hit leadoff during this period, reducing chances for RBIs, but the BA struck me as low for someone labelled "clutch".

it all comes down to Jeter is a winner and Arod isn't. Arod is a all around better ball player and as long as the Yankees continue to not win championships the man getting paid 24 million a year is going to take the majority of the blame. Here is an interesting question... whether your a Yankee fan or Sox fan would you trade Ramirez for Arod straight up?

RAGTOP wrote:Here is an interesting question... whether your a Yankee fan or Sox fan would you trade Ramirez for Arod straight up?

I'm not a fan of either team and anyone who would take Ramirez for Rodriguez is nuts. Rodriguez is just as good, if not better, offensively and there's no contest on defense.

LIPH wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:Here is an interesting question... whether your a Yankee fan or Sox fan would you trade Ramirez for Arod straight up?

I'm not a fan of either team and anyone who would take Ramirez for Rodriguez is nuts. Rodriguez is just as good, if not better, offensively and there's no contest on defense.

Arod is on pace for 30+ errors this season and anyone watching the Sox everyday will tell you that Manny is not as much as a liability in the field as he use to be. Offensively they are about equals... maybe a slight edge to AROD. Manny wants out of Boston and Arod and NY don't see eye to eye...

RAGTOP wrote:

SuperTrooper wrote:WEEI was having an interesting discussion on who is really "Mr. Clutch" in NY: Jeter or A-ROD?

Yankmee fans almost exclusively side with Jeter based on what they "see", but the statistical evidence points otherwise. Using the "close and late" stat (ABs 7th inning and later, team tied, leading or trailing by a run) since A-ROD joined the Yankmees:
Jeter .214, 8HR, 16 RBI
A-ROD .278. 14 HR, 28 RBI

I will grant that Jeter has usually hit leadoff during this period, reducing chances for RBIs, but the BA struck me as low for someone labelled "clutch".

it all comes down to Jeter is a winner and Arod isn't. Arod is a all around better ball player and as long as the Yankees continue to not win championships the man getting paid 24 million a year is going to take the majority of the blame. Here is an interesting question... whether your a Yankee fan or Sox fan would you trade Ramirez for Arod straight up?

Baseball is a team game and Jeter has been surrounded by some of the best baseball has to offer since the day he came to the majors. A-ROD has been part of an offensive lineup that has put up astounding numbers the past 3 years. The difference between these "good" Yankmee teams the the "great" teams is:

PITCHING PITCHING PITCHING

Hitting will cary you through the regular season, but pitching wins in the post season. A-ROD has never been on a team with enough pitching to win championships.

RAGTOP wrote:

SuperTrooper wrote:WEEI was having an interesting discussion on who is really "Mr. Clutch" in NY: Jeter or A-ROD?

Yankmee fans almost exclusively side with Jeter based on what they "see", but the statistical evidence points otherwise. Using the "close and late" stat (ABs 7th inning and later, team tied, leading or trailing by a run) since A-ROD joined the Yankmees:
Jeter .214, 8HR, 16 RBI
A-ROD .278. 14 HR, 28 RBI

I will grant that Jeter has usually hit leadoff during this period, reducing chances for RBIs, but the BA struck me as low for someone labelled "clutch".

Would you trade Ramirez for Arod straight up?

If you factor in the salaries I say No. Manny has 2 years left @ $34M, Arod has 4 years left @ $100M. Salaries aside, I would do that trade and put him back at SS.

BottleofRum wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

SuperTrooper wrote:WEEI was having an interesting discussion on who is really "Mr. Clutch" in NY: Jeter or A-ROD?

Yankmee fans almost exclusively side with Jeter based on what they "see", but the statistical evidence points otherwise. Using the "close and late" stat (ABs 7th inning and later, team tied, leading or trailing by a run) since A-ROD joined the Yankmees:
Jeter .214, 8HR, 16 RBI
A-ROD .278. 14 HR, 28 RBI

I will grant that Jeter has usually hit leadoff during this period, reducing chances for RBIs, but the BA struck me as low for someone labelled "clutch".

Would you trade Ramirez for Arod straight up?

If you factor in the salaries I say No. Manny has 2 years left @ $34M, Arod has 4 years left @ $100M. Salaries aside, I would do that trade and put him back at SS.

no salaries taken into consideration... I would gladly take AROD for Manny (as long as he loses the lip gloss )

RAGTOP wrote:

BottleofRum wrote:

RAGTOP wrote:

SuperTrooper wrote:WEEI was having an interesting discussion on who is really "Mr. Clutch" in NY: Jeter or A-ROD?

Yankmee fans almost exclusively side with Jeter based on what they "see", but the statistical evidence points otherwise. Using the "close and late" stat (ABs 7th inning and later, team tied, leading or trailing by a run) since A-ROD joined the Yankmees:
Jeter .214, 8HR, 16 RBI
A-ROD .278. 14 HR, 28 RBI

I will grant that Jeter has usually hit leadoff during this period, reducing chances for RBIs, but the BA struck me as low for someone labelled "clutch".

Would you trade Ramirez for Arod straight up?

If you factor in the salaries I say No. Manny has 2 years left @ $34M, Arod has 4 years left @ $100M. Salaries aside, I would do that trade and put him back at SS.

no salaries taken into consideration... I would gladly take AROD for Manny (as long as he loses the lip gloss )

If you will recall most Sox fans were in favor of this trade in the offseason 2003-2004. It would've happened if the union had allowed a deferment of some of A-ROD's salary. I often wonder what A-ROD's numbers would be playing 82 games at Fenway rather than Yankee Stadium.

Let's not forget that prior to 2004 Manny was known as a playoff choker.