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Well here are acouple sites that people may want to consider.

They are news reported from ABC and the poll is available in PDF format.

I include both links for all to check out if they choose.

It seems the a considerable majority ( 22%) of Americans do not believe in homosexual marriages over people that do believe homosexual marriages should be legal......and most do not believe it should take a Constitutional admit to prohibit such.

PDF POLL SITE http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/1014a1GayMarriage.pdf

ACTUAL ABC News article about the poll:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Politics/story ... 689&page=1

A couple of blog articles about the ABC News article:

http://newsbusters.org/node/5688

http://newsbusters.org/node/5694

I seriously doubt it is all based on strictly Christian values. If it was soley based upon such, to be true then why have the homosexuals suffered or been mistreated in other countries where Christianity is definitely not a factor?

Your decisions and my decisions are our own made up by our own minds.
We each have the Right to make up our own minds about our beliefs and in what we believe in is Right. NOTE: I have not passed judgement either way on anyone in this thread, before someone decides to flame me.

I merely posted some food for thought for all to consider, if they choose.

**THIS IS NOT A FLAME**

Sam wrote:. . .
It seems the a considerable majority ( 22%) of Americans do not believe in homosexual marriages over people that do believe homosexual marriages should be legal......and most do not believe it should take a Constitutional admit to prohibit such.

I think you must have entered 22% in the above sentence by accident (maybe from our own BN poll), because as it reads now it doesn't make sense. 22% is not a considerable majority. I would call it a significant minority. I did read the links and I think you meant to insert a number from one of the polls referred to in the links, which actually support your point.

Sam wrote: We each have the Right to make up our own minds about our beliefs and in what we believe in is Right

I agree. I guess the question then becomes: How do we enable everyone to live according to their own beliefs without infringing the rights of others? For me the answer is: As long as nobody is being hurt, let other people do what they want.

flyboy55 wrote:**THIS IS NOT A FLAME**

Sam wrote:. . .
It seems the a considerable majority ( 22%) of Americans do not believe in homosexual marriages over people that do believe homosexual marriages should be legal......and most do not believe it should take a Constitutional admit to prohibit such.

I think you must have entered 22% in the above sentence by accident (maybe from our own BN poll), because as it reads now it doesn't make sense. 22% is not a considerable majority. I would call it a significant minority. I did read the links and I think you meant to insert a number from one of the polls referred to in the links, which actually support your point.

I was confused by that too.... but I'm thinking against might be 64%, and for might be 42%, for a difference of 22%... am I right?

Tiki Bar wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:**THIS IS NOT A FLAME**

Sam wrote:. . .
It seems the a considerable majority ( 22%) of Americans do not believe in homosexual marriages over people that do believe homosexual marriages should be legal......and most do not believe it should take a Constitutional admit to prohibit such.

I think you must have entered 22% in the above sentence by accident (maybe from our own BN poll), because as it reads now it doesn't make sense. 22% is not a considerable majority. I would call it a significant minority. I did read the links and I think you meant to insert a number from one of the polls referred to in the links, which actually support your point.

I was confused by that too.... but I'm thinking against might be 64%, and for might be 42%, for a difference of 22%... am I right?

106% @myself... math sux! But do you get where I was going with that?

61% + 39% = 100%, and a difference of 22%. Whew! Next question!

Flyboy,
Not a slam.
Go back and read the actual poll that was conducted. If you cannot see that there is a clear 22% majority of those opposed to such marriages in the polls. ( 58% vs 36% )

Tried to find you a picture of the 36% that were in favor of such marriages. However I haven't as of yet.

I don't know how to copy the graph from the .pdf file into here.

ALSO, the poll/file clearly shows that most Americans, 51%, say leave it to the states to decide, while 42 % of Americans are currently in favor of such an ammendment. Most Americans are apparently against such an Ammendment, but are also AGAINST such marriages.
Again the poll has NOTHING to do with your BN Poll.
The.pdf file clearly shows that!!! AND MUCH MORE!!!

You may consider what you like and choose the side of the issue as you like..

From what I read of the polls, showing 58% AGAINST Homosexual Marriage to 36% FOR Homosexual Marriage, ( maybe they taught you differently where you went to school) is a 22% difference in favor of those opposed to such... Of those that voiced an opinion in the poll. I would have to give the the 22% a considerable edge/margin, over the side you appparently seem to be backing. If you wish to think the leading 22% is a minority is your business, but I never learned anything like that in school.

If you and others that have problems with what I said, then by all means, read the poll then you would understand what I said.

The link to the Poll I posted, is clearly in .pdf format and has absolutely nothing to do with the BN poll.

However go read the polls and decide for yourself.

I merely posted the links for information. Your choice to visit them, but it would be advisable so you could be accurate in your assessement.

frognot wrote:I've got a long list of things that i wish politicians would focus on. Gay marriage is not on the list.

[sarcasm]Oh come now, gay marriage is far more affecting than homelessness, or the american economy, or the nations health, or the fact that children are gunned down on street corners, or any number of other things that are life threatening. Gay marriage is not a life or death situation[/sarcarsm]

But that's just my opinion, for the very little that it's worth.

Sam,
At one point the majority thought that slavery was ok. Later the majority thought that segregation was ok. Even later the majority thought that women shouldn't be able to vote. Were those laws ok until 52 or 58 percent of the people thought they weren't?

Mr. Play wrote:Sam,
At one point the majority thought that slavery was ok. Later the majority thought that segregation was ok. Even later the majority thought that women shouldn't be able to vote. Were those laws ok until 52 or 58 percent of the people thought they weren't?

Country's gone straight to hell since women were allowed to vote. that was a joke

I'm like Larry - gays have the right to be as miserable as anyone else.

And like has been said - aren't there more IMPORTANT things going on in this nation than trying to place restrictions on love. I mean after all isn't that what marriage starts out with?

I agree this is just a political smoke screen to cover up more important issues in society because of the up-coming elections next fall.

All I know is that if gay marriage is ever legalized in Washington - Don's got several people he's gonna marry.

There is a book I read a long time ago I believe its called the Federalist Papers, that contains actual documents in relation to writing the Constitution. It is clear that the Constitution is not meant to support what the majority thinks, but protect those who need it. Do not ever believe poll numbers, I can conduct a survey and get any results I want, depending on how I skew things.
There are people that think homosexuality is wrong, people that think gay marriage would desecrate the sacrament and those that think our morals have gone down a slippery slope and this is just another example of it.
I believe civil unions between any two people are a good thing for both the couple's rights and building communities. My understanding is marriage is a religious sacrament, and that can not and should not be decided by politicians.
In agreement with Larry, I saw a comedian once that said "wait, you can have someone live with you with all the benefits and never have to answer the question when are we gonna get married? why would gay people want to change that??"

ph4ever wrote: All I know is that if gay marriage is ever legalized in Washington - Don's got several people he's gonna marry.

Wouldn't that be grounds for you two to divorce??



Yes, I know he's a 'preacher'.

being friends with a few female gay couples, hey if they want the right to get screwed in divorce court more power to em.....

------- = female gay

12vmanRick wrote:no law should ever be passed telling someone else what their morals should be.

I agree.

Marriage and love are a human right! It doesn't matter who it is!

Debate on the amendment was voted down in the Senate. The measure is rejected.

UAHparrothead wrote:Debate on the amendment was voted down in the Senate. The measure is rejected.

Ya I didn't think it would pass. Good!

UAHparrothead wrote:Debate on the amendment was voted down in the Senate. The measure is rejected.

this week... surely to be trotted out again before the presidential elections

AlbatrossFlyer wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:Debate on the amendment was voted down in the Senate. The measure is rejected.

this week... surely to be trotted out again before the presidential elections

especially with Bush's approval ratings where they are

Mr. Play wrote:Sam,
At one point the majority thought that slavery was ok. Later the majority thought that segregation was ok. Even later the majority thought that women shouldn't be able to vote. Were those laws ok until 52 or 58 percent of the people thought they weren't?

the coventant codes and restrictions written in 1947 governing a buddy's house prevents him from selling it to negroes and jews.....